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How do Americans generally perceive Britain?


With the heavy influx of immigrants from the four corners of the earth, the rising crime rate and the fact that London as a city is barely 50% white British any more I thought that the American myth of Britain being a homogenous, immigrant free, prim and proper, rural country of little country villages with friendly vicars and church spires had been firmly put to rest.

Admittedly, I haven't spoken to many Americans about this topic, but of the 70% I have, most of them have held the view of Britain that is a very homogenous society of low crime rates, low immigration, high reverence in the royal family, have the lowest crime rates in Europe, are patriotic and in some cases are very religious.

As a British person, this image of Britain being a conservative, low-crime, homogenous country just doesn't sit with me. We're one of the most multicultural countries in Europe - even in the smallest towns in the UK people of races other than white are visibly represented and in the bigger cities they often number more than whites - and I'm not even getting onto the fact there's quite possibly getting on for a million Eastern Europeans living in the UK.

As for low crime rates, statisics often suggest we have some of the highest crime rates in Europe, which is quite plausible, there's some nasty bits of work in the UK. Patriotism and reverence for the royal family is long gone, quite often there have been cases of being putting a flag out on their house only for the local council to request it's removal. Flags create a massive stur in the UK, there is the constant fear they will offtend foreigers and upset the multi-cultural balance. As for the royal family, they are of no consequence to the UK anymore, you've got to remember even countries like Sweden and Holland have royal families.

As for religion, if you find a less religious country, let me know.

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Some interesting and honest opinions in this thread, and of course some moronic ones.

I'd just add that as a Brit who has widely traveled in the US, I've always felt that there is an anti-american bias in the media over here (although not as pronounced as in many continental European countries). Decent, secular and informed Americans seem to get the short end of the stick in our press.

Our media is fond of stories about the christian right, creationism etc. for the shock value (it is true that the UK is a largely atheist country) but rarely mention the reasonable majority.

To give just one example, Glen Beck's 'restoring honor' march (attendance 90,000) was widely covered in the UK media, while Colbert & Stewart's counter march "Rally to Restore Sanity and/or Fear" (attendance 215,000) did not get a mention.

The fact that the 'Rally to Restore Sanity and/or Fear' consisted of reasonable, liberal people who expressed opinions that most Britons would agree with (in a tongue in cheek, humorous fashion) meant the media felt there wasn't a story. (Read: didn't fit with our narrative of 'Oh those crazy bible thumping yanks')

On behalf of Britain, I'd like to apologise to the American majority - 'sorry for tarring you with the same brush as your nuttier extremes'

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@pithyoneliner

Apology accepted by this American!

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Wow. I applaud you OP. I've rarely seen greater displays of ignorance. I'm doubting you've ever been to Northern England, Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland (not to mention most of England that is outside of hubs like London and Birmingham). You spend a little time outside of the larger cities (and places like Preston and Bradford) and then tell me it is particularly Multicultural.

Not only are your statistics about London off but the extrapolation that London is at all representative of the rest of Britain is offensive.

As for the religious aspect. Are you kidding? There are very few civilised countries left that have official religions and a great deal of Europe is more irreligious than we are. Scandinavia in particular.

We do have low crime rates and it's something that's been historically true. We've always had issues with petty crime, but you'll struggle to find a country with such a low homicide rate.

I also don't think we have a particularly strong conservative image. If anything we're seen as quite socialist by many Americans.

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Actually, there are many countries with lower homocide rates than the UK.

I'm not saying that the UK doesn't have a low rate, I'm just saying it isn't very hard to find countries with even lower rates than the UK.

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I go back and forth to visit ppl in Essex all the time from NYC and I will say that I pretty much feel it's comperable to the US in terms of immigration and crime and I definately do not view England as some episode of Downton Abbey. We of coarse as a society still associate crumpets, football, and the Monarchy as part of your society. I was very suprised when I got there to see how clean it was though. Your Tube compared to the NYC Subway...miles apart. I would actually feel safe closing my eyes on the Tube versus being afraid for my life on the "train" as we call it. Plus the people are so much more friendlier in Europe in general I feel. But such a reserved society in certain aspects and that may contribute to some American's views of English society being prim and proper. For me to get a straight answer about something out of my English friends is like pulling teeth because they are always worried they will offend me even when I want a straight answer. BUt just as with any nation you will parts of it that are more homogenious than others. Comparing NYC to say, a little town in Tennesse for instance, you will have more of a mixed population. Just as I am sure with London versus a small English village. I still love England and will be moving there soon.

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British people strike me as decidedly left-leaning. Flag flying is not encouraged, Christians are laughed at and ridiculed (not Muslims, however), political correctness and "afirmative action" policies are rife.

While this left-leaning, politically correct culture can now be visibly seen across almost all of the UK (perhaps except for the most isolated rural villages), no where is it more evidently visible than London.

There's not much in the way of traditional British culture in London. London is easily as multicultural as New York, and some would say the ultimate world city. Each race or nationality seems to have their own specific area of London.

Unfortunately, I think the UK of the past has gone. The modern British culture and lifestyle is now far closer to a modern American lifestyle than it is to any old fashioned stereotype of British culture.

I hear many Americans visit Stratford-upon-Avon expecting an Olde Worlde English town that hasn't changed since the times of Shakespeare, and are disappointed to find a rather modern town that doesn't feel very Shakespearan at all.

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Good history of Rock n' Roll music. Bad food. Ugly women. That's about it really. Oh, and we think that having a "queen" is pretty stupid.

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I visited the UK this summer for a couple of weeks. I have to admit that I was afraid people would be rude, especially in London. But I found the poeple there much friendlier than in some of the countries on the continent. Of the countries I've visited, the UK seems most like the US. Which isn't surprising since the UK is basically America's "mum," and the UK is awash with modern American culture. There are differences of course. Politically speaking (and I think politics is one of the top reasons folks on both sides of the pond are prejudiced against one another), I noticed the the conservatives in the UK were not as extremist or radical as they are here. People seemed to understand that paying taxes is a civic duty, which many Americans don't get. But overall, I think most Americans and most Brits are friendlier in person than those in many other countries.

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Flying the UK flag causes a stir? Because people are afraid to offend immigrants and foreigners? What the hell is that. If they're living in the UK, shouldn't they have some UK pride? And any foreigners on temporary visas or visiting shouldn't have an opinion on it.



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The issues with flying the flag have changed a lot over the years. I'll refer to England specifically here (I vist Scotalnd regularly and they have always been much prouder at flying their flag than we have been in England)-

In the 1980s the St George's Cross (England's flag) and to a lesser extent the Union Jack were "hijacked" by various right wing groups who opposed immigration. This meant it was difficult to fly our flag without being associated with those groups.

The big change came in 1996 when England hosted the European Football Championships (Euro 96). The "people" claimed the flags back and waved them proudly, from their houses, on car flags, and at the football stadiums. This led to a revival, but pretty much tying in with England competing in major football tournaments World Cups/European Championships). The flag is completely acceptable again now to fly, thankfully, and anyone who was around this summer when we had the Quenn's Jubilee and the Olympic Games will have seen just how crazy we went with flying Union Jacks, and I loved it!

Generally speaking then, you're likely to see loads of flags flying proudly at time of big national sporting or royal occassions, and very rarely at any other times.

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Ah, okay. Thanks for the info!


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