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Anyone who calls this film visually impressive needs to study science.


Absolutely OUTRAGEOUS. A dismal, dismal film, perhaps the WORST ever I've watched in my life. Hey? What are the images from the Hubble space telescope doing here? What's the Horse-head nebula, the Cat's eye nebula, the Pillars of Creation nebula doing HERE?

Hey Mallick, that's not even your art, not even your visual imagination. Its something real scientists worked on, sent up telescopes into space to photograph with great difficulty and cost. HOW DARE do you use those images to 'beautify' your ridiculous excuse of a movie, and use them as a make-up to increase your movie's rating? What did YOU do on your own? What the hell do those images even have to do with movie? Absolutely shameful. And ROTTEN rotten tomato critics. How DARE you praise this film based on its visuals? What meat is there in this film anyways? Anyone could just take images from the Hubble and make a movie about it, would be just as beautiful? Don't you guys ever watch Discovery? The History Channel? Have you no idea what you're looking at?

Anyone, Anyone here who DARES to call this film 'visually impressive' has to attend a science class, or watch a science documentary IMMEDIATELY! This film is almost like stolen work. I can name EVERY single visual scene in this movie and tell you where it came from.

1) Some interstellar clouds, a shape that looks like a horse -> Straight from the Hubble telescope gallery, image of the "Horse Head Nebula."
2) Some interstellar clouds, something looks like an eye -> Straight from the Hubble telescope gallery, image of the "Cat's Eye Nebula."
3) Some interstellar clouds, something looks like pillars -> Straight from the Hubble telescope gallery, image of the "The Pillars of Creation, in the Eagle Nebula"
4) Images of the surface of a sun/star. -> Straight from images from the SOHO Observatory gallery, images of the surface of the sun.
5) Images of jelly fish -> BBC Planet Earth, Deep Wonders.
6) Images of hammerhead shark -> BBC Planet Earth, Shallow Seas.
7) Images of microbes, microscopic life -> BBC Life / BBC Inside the Human Body.
8) Images of the sunrise over earth -> Images from the International Space Station as it orbits the earth.
9) Images of a galaxy -> Hubble deep field, some random spiral galaxy image.

What else is there? NOTHING. Absolutely nothing else in this film. Some weird kids. Some rolling in the grass, ABSOLUTELY NO DIALOG. How dare you use images that deserve credit on their OWN merit, and came from others, in your film in order to garner credit for YOURSELF!? Unless there was some connection to it in the film? Or a need for it?

Its not fair! Anyone can just put in some bits of imagery from space, some bit of imagery from the BBC's Planet Earth, some bit of imagery from a microscopic biology textbook, some weirdo kids and call it a movie.

Absolutely pathetic, disgraceful, shameful!

PS*/FYI* Hey, Mallick, do you even know how those Nebula images are photographed? Hey? Do you even know which electromagnetic spectrum they're in? Do you even know what individual filters they used before they could color those nebula images? Bet you don't.

What's beautiful about this movie? The visuals? The interstellar space imagery? Where did those images come from to begin with? Is it Mallick's imagination and creativity you think? You think he came up with those visuals? Pathetic. They're just a bunch of images from NASA's Hubble, from the BBC's documentaries. Copied as-is and thrown there into his excuse of a film just to make it look 'awe'. And they have NOTHING to do with the story of the film themselves. Just a wastage of reel and minutes.

I could make a movie about weirdos, some kids running around in the grass, and oh yea, include images from Hubble, WISE, SOHO, Spitzer, Chandra, Kepler and whatever space telescopes I can get my hands on. That's it. Done. Movie finished. Goodbye.

THANK GOD THIS MOVIE MADE A LOSS AT THE BOX OFFICE. THANK GOD! JUSTICE SERVED.

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Wonder what the OP will be up to next. Will we hear of an axe murder committed by a frothing mad scientist carrying a laptop and a telescope?



"facts are stupid things" - Ronald Reagan

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I wonder how said scientist would use said axe if he/she has his hands full with a laptop and telescope already... apart from that, good question! :)

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I wonder how said scientist would use said axe if he/she has his/her hands full with a laptop and telescope already... apart from that, good question! :)

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"A dismal, dismal film, perhaps the WORST ever I've watched in my life."

Really? You mean it's worst than Van Helsing(2004)? Worst than Battlefield Earth(2000)? Worst than Battleship(2012)? Worst than Resident Evil movies too?:D
If this movie is worst you ever seen it's either you haven't seen many films or you write reviews poorly. Of course you could be a troll too..

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Did it ever occur to you that those visuals were actually created by the cinematographer? Cinematography in EVERY SINGLE MOVIE, ALL THE TIME is imagery of the natural world which was created by god. The only imagery that can be commended based on your way of thinking would be VISUAL EFFECTS. Total computer generated imagery from a design by someone or multiple people. Yes the visuals were primarily science, but it's not like someone just took a photo of it and planted it in the movie randomly. They worked on it very hard to produce the image you see. You obviously just don't get it.

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"I could make a movie about weirdos, some kids running around in the grass, and oh yea, include images from Hubble, WISE, SOHO, Spitzer, Chandra, Kepler and whatever space telescopes I can get my hands on. That's it. Done. Movie finished. Goodbye."



You know next to nothing about anything. Goodbye.


May the bridges we burn only light our way

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Well, you can't actually study science, since science is knowledge, but knowledge doesn't affect the impact of its images.

Malick used images of existing nebulae because it would be rather silly to dream up hypothetical ones. but those shots only take up half a minute. Further, Malick never used the term 'beautify'; you did, so you can lose the quote marks. His crew As for the other astronomical and preastronomical images, Malick never designs things straight from his own imagination; he and his crew experimented with a variety of chemical and optical elements, supervised by a team of scientists for accuracy, and used what worked well. The images are necessary because they communicate that the known universe is coming into being. That entire passage, though, is only fifteen minutes out of a two-hour and ten-minute film.

Rotten Tomatoes does not have any critics of its own. Rotten tomatoes is one site that aggregates critic reviews.

Malick is enormously familiar with documentaries of the Discovery channel, among many other sources. One of his collaborators reported that he'd seemingly collected every natural history documentary ever made, and the two of them spent many hours looking at them, Malick pointing out what he liked best and why.

You can't name every scene in the movie because almost none of them have names and only seven to ten of the shots in the movie were not filmed by Malick's crew.

Nothing about the kids is weird. There is one shot of them rolling through grass and several hundred others of them doing other things. I'm sure you noticed the film has an awful lot going on: It's the story of a suburban family in the 1950s, the story of childhood and the end of childhood, of innocence and the loss of innocence, of kindness and unkindness, of love and death, of the establishment of the planet Earth and the life that inhabits it, of the search for meaning and the voice of God, of a mother, a father, a brother, and of the wonder of existence.

There is, in fact, quite a lot of dialogue in the film, as you will have noticed.

You might have to consider the possibility that Malick knows quite a lot about the Hubble images. You, in contrast, haven't gone to the trouble even of looking up the man's last name to see if you're spelling it right, let alone learn how the 'World we Live in' series influenced Malick from childhood and would ultimately lead to both the brief astronomic sequence in 'The Tree of Life' and his entire soon-to-be-released film 'Voyage of Time'.

The Hubble shots were not thrown in as-is, as you can read here: http://www.theasc.com/ac_magazine/August2011/TheTreeofLife/page4.php

Several people involved with Hubble were reportedly delighted to see the images put in such a context and, for the record, I myself find the sequence to be the most powerful and moving lyrical passage I've ever seen by a country mile.

Directly addressing Malick in a user review on I.M.D.B. is a terribly silly thing to do, as he's famous for staying well clear even of film forums and the public eye, not least to avoid encounters with deranged people such as yourself.

'Wastage', I may point out, is not a word, nor is 'awe' a descriptor.

The movie grossed $54,303,319 at the box office, a gain of well over $22,000,000 past the film's budget.

One last thing I might make light of: http://www.rogerebert.com/rogers-journal/the-greatest-films-of-all-time

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Several people involved with Hubble were reportedly delighted to see the images put in such a context and, for the record, I myself find the sequence to be the most powerful and moving lyrical passage I've ever seen by a country mile.

Well said! The film gives context and depth to what had only been static, flat images before, and Malick used them in such a way that they become meaningful to the engaged viewer as symbolic of the processes of maturation, social differentiation, and enlightenment.

The crucial difference between TTOL and a nature documentary - a difference lost on narrow-minded critics who dismiss the former as nothing more than the latter - is that a documentary deals only with the HOW, where Malick's film is examining the WHY.

May the bridges we burn only light our way

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I would disagree with you.

Three points that I feel that I have to make:

1. I certainly found the film visually stunning
2. I know science. Not all of it, but a heck of a lot of it
3. I didn't like the film at all

The first two points I believe are valid, I can appreciate images and still know the science. In fact it was the visuals that kept me going through the film and, like yourself I was playing Guess The Source of the various clips and even ticking off some 70s footage of the birth of Surtsey.

But, for me, that was all that the film had to offer. Yes, I got the 'story', theme or whatever in a short time and was waiting for the thing to end. Yes it was pretentious and self indulgent, but what's wrong with that?

I simply didn't like the film but to say that one must be ignorant of science if one liked the images is a little harsh.

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Securejames, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this board is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

See what I did there? That is a quote from the movie "Billy Madison". I used something that someone else has created in order to enhance my own response and to further my point. This is common practice in journalism, literature as well as film.

This is what Terrence Malick has done here. He is using images, created by someone else, alongside his own images in order to create his film.

Your criticism of Mr. Malick for his use of this common technique can be likened to criticizing the makers of a JFK Assassination documentary because they themselves were not there to film it.

As a filmmaker myself, I can tell you that it is very common for filmmakers to use previously-created images in a new work (with the proper license of course) to enhance the new work. This is done either for budgetary reasons, reasons of aestheticism or lack of resources to re-shoot such a scene.

Just food for thought.

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I hated The Tree of Life overall, but I thought that one thing that was very good about it was the cinematography outside of the suburbia scenes, which is what you're talking about above. I would say that stuff was visually impressive, but guess what? (a) Saying it's visually impressive has absolutely nothing with saying anything about the images scientifically, and (b) Saying that it's visually impressive in no way implies that all of the visually impressive stuff is original work or not similar to anything else, like the Planet Earth series. It's just saying that visually, it's impressive, whatever the source of the images, and whatever else they might bear a resemblance to, filmwise (and insofar as there's a resemblance, those other things are visually impressive, too).

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I just read in another thread, and you can add too, that some clouds footages were borrowed. So go figure, the "film" was full of scenes from other works.

My first impression of the film was that it would have been better presented as a kind of documentary, like Baraka, or instead add some more plot and better blending with the imagery. I though that the creation of earth while stunning lacked a bit more development and depth. Other than that, yes, the film exposes some interesting questions that it doesn't try to answer, just like assuming the director is the only one in the world who had these questions. I would expect something MORE, being brave enough to try to answer them.

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