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Felt bad for Earl, disliked Jenna


As with all films, there was a clear protagonist and antagonist in "Waitress", however I found that during my viewing Earl was the person my sympathy went towards.

I realize that Earl did not treat Jenna like a princess, but I think in the same regard she showed no love to a man who, in his eyes, was loving her the only way he knew how to. Earl seems quite childish at points; he is jealous, overprotective, and needy. Underneath all of that is a person who is desperate for the love of the one person he thought would be with him forever. I can completely understand his motivation for being so difficult with her, he was trying to get her to just reciprocate the feelings he had for her which she clearly lost for him long ago.

The poor guy is so desperate for affection that his emotions control how he reacts to certain situations, making him get angry over things he can't make sense of in his head. Why would Jenna be hiding money from him? I think he trusted his wife and to see that she would lie to him like that devestated him.

Jenna, instead of trying to work things out with her husband, seemed to take a "poor me" stance and gave up even trying to fix her life for a period of time. I understand that these characters are quite possibly not intelligent enough to properly handle this situation, but there are many things she could have tried to improve her life. Earl loved her despite being a bit over-protective, and if she could try to work out the thing she found wrong in the relationship she might not be so miserable.

On to why I disliked Jenna, she made herself into a victim. Her life didn't have to be as bad as it was in her eyes. Watching this movie, I kept thinking how overwhelmingly terrible the writer did in making her a character the audience can sympathize with. She cheats a man who loves her in his own way. She doesn't want her baby, almost making it sound like she despises it and yet is planning to keep it. She interrupts another person's marriage. It does take two to tango, but Jenna was the person that initiated it.

I felt sorry for Earl, having his life crash around him at the end of the movie. The woman he was in love with tells him that she hasn't loved him for years, his child appears to have been taken away from him, and he never recieved the love he was searching for in the one person who owed it to him, as his wife. I cannot see how Earl can be so hated for being so very human and yet people are glad for Jenna when she is happily cheating on him.

That was my take on the movie. I didn't enjoy it too much because I prefer to like the main character, and 99/100 times I do, just not this time.

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You must be in the minority then, ok i can understand having pity for him he was obviously grossly insecure but he hit her for gods sake and that is not ok any pity I felt for him went out the window at that point

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KK,
I found your arguments interesting, but ultimately unsupportable.

My nutshell view:

These two should not be married.

Earl would not have let Jenna leave, no matter what she said or did. From her experience of this marriage, she may well have thought that Earl would actually kill her if she tried to leave. I'm sorry, but your support of Earl is groundless.

Sorry. But thank you for writing something interesting.


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I agree.Earl was unlikable.

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Right on Kathy. I felt a little sorry for him too.
They both seem like trash. However, she was a cheater. He was probably abused as a child and nobody ever thought to show him how to behave as a decent human or teach him how to Love.

Self-righteous whores seem to really like this flick.

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Jenna was a cheater? She certainly was!
Jenna was a cheater, and Earl was a beater.
A man tends to reap what he sows!

Self-rightious whores seem to like this flick? OK, In all fairness I really must defer to JReb's jufgement on this one.
Personally, I've never had to pay for it so often that I was able to build up such a representative profile of this particular demographic group, let alone poll them accurately!

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I am betting you are a lot like Earl. Men like you should be swept from the earth into hell!

"I love Sonny and Sonny loves me"-Carly Corinthos

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Gosh, Carly. I sure hope you were talking about JReb and not me.

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I was. I am sorry I responded to the wrong message. I just cannot believe that someone could think that way.

"I love Sonny and Sonny loves me"-Carly Corinthos

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That's cool, Carly. You can never be sure WHERE the IMDB will put your post - that's why I usually name the person I'm responding to so as to avoid confusion.

Incidently, the attitudes you reference are quite common on this board, "Jenna was a bitch! She was CHEATING on her man..." The fact that her man made a habbit of beating and raping her (Jenna was only pregnant because Earl poured alcohol down her throat and banged her after she passed out) and so would seem to have relinquished any right to marital fidelity in the mind of any right-thinking person seems to have escaped them. Go figure!

In the last season of 'Walking Dead', Rick's pregnant wife Lori (and the heart and soul of our plucky band of survivors) died a horrible, agonising death when she agreed to a rough-and-ready C-section to save the life of her baby. The boards were swamped with posters gleefully announcing that they "...only tuned in to see this bitch DIE!" When they were asked what this brave and compassionate woman had done to deserve such venom, they usually replied "She was cheating on her husband." This 'cheating' had taken place almost a year ago, when Rick was missing presumed eaten, and had come to an end as soon as they were re-united. Man, some people REALLY know how to bear a grudge!

Lori has now been replaced in the cast by Michonne, an African-American woman whose sole feature (other than a good figure and an expression so sour it could curdle milk) is that she can decapitate buttloads of zombies in a single episode but is also seemingly unable to speak more than three sentences together throughout an entire season. Among the viewing population, Michonne is now regarded as a 'fan favourite'.

Do the math!

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It is shocking and sad the way some people think.

"I love Sonny and Sonny loves me"-Carly Corinthos

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You don't know the half of it, Carly. In 2006, Adrienne Shelly, the writer/director of 'Waitress' was brutally murdered in her own apartment by a young latino man employed as part of a renovations crew. There was an urban myth (which still crops up here and there) that his reason was anger at Adrienne 'talking down to him' as she made a complaint about excessive noise.

A popular response on some message boards was 'The rich white bitch deserved it'!

For the record, the man - Diego Pillco - had been stalking her since her first laid eyes on her, and her murder was premeditated and highly organised. It is also assumed that Adrienne was raped before she was killed. However, none of that can be proved and in 2008 he plead guilty to a charge of manslaughter in the course of a opportunistic robbery.

Pillco didn't even know her name.

He was stalking her as a woman, and not as a celebrity.

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That is so sad. I don't understand how anyone could side with a killer instead of the victim. Some people have a really warped way of thinking.

"I love Sonny and Sonny loves me"-Carly Corinthos

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Many of these men had seen 'Waitress' and - because of the theme of the film - concluded that Adrienne was a 'man-hater' who provoked Pillco into killing her. They argued that she obviously had 'issues' with men, and there was even a bizzare story going around that Adrienne had assaulted the poor contruction worker and he had only acted in self-defence. Much of what was said was so sickening that I cannot bear to repeart it. Adrienne was so very tiny.

In case you want to put a face to the name, Adrienne also played the part of Dawn, the shy 'ugly duckling' who finds love with the nerdish (but sweet-natured) Ogie. Her three-year old daughter Sophie appeared as Lulu-as-a-todler, and husband Andy Ostroy (who later produced the Meg Ryan flick 'Serious Moonlight') had a brief cameo as the Cake Man who delivers to the diner.

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That is so very sad and scary. With attitudes like that it is no wonder that there is so much violence against women.

"I love Sonny and Sonny loves me"-Carly Corinthos

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I agree 100%!

There is now an Adrienne Shelly Award which is presented annually by a circle of female critics to a film that they feel most opposes vioence against women. I am thinking of urging them to consider 'Murdered By My Boyfriend' starring Georgina Campbell, a BBC film which was screened on British TV earlier in the month.

Sad to say, it was based on a true story.

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It is nice that they did something to honor her that also helps the cause.

"I love Sonny and Sonny loves me"-Carly Corinthos

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I'm glad about the award too. I'll try to find the exact name and/or webpage of that critic's circle and submit the movie for their consideration. Did you know that on average two women in the UK are murdered by their husbands or boyfriends every week? Awful!

Soon after Adrienne's death, Andy Ostroy set up the Adrienne Shelly Foundation in her memory. This is a charitable body that helps raise funds to finance the work of young women film-makers. If you are interested, check out their website. They do some VERY good work.

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Right on Kathy. I felt a little sorry for him too.
They both seem like trash. However, she was a cheater. He was probably abused as a child and nobody ever thought to show him how to behave as a decent human or teach him how to Love.

Self-righteous whores seem to really like this flick.


You should be ashamed for writing something like that.
Of course, you won't, because as your last paragraph shows, you're just a sexist jerk.

There is nothing about her that would make her trash. He is the one who is garbage. So she cheated on him. So what?. She didn't owe him anything because of the way he treated her. He HIT HER, in case you didn't notice. He emotionally abused her as well. He thought he owned her (which is of course how it is with abusive men). But of course you're more than ready to make up exuses for him, and not for her.

Incredible how many people in this board are willing to be sorry for Earl and to justify his actions and blame her.

And then one wonders how is it that in this day so mane women are beaten and even killed by their boyfriends/husbands.

"The Love you take is equal to the Love you make" The Beatles.

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Earl was ALREADY beating the child. He didn't stop being violent towards Jenna after she got pregnant, so when he was beating her he was also beating her baby into the bargain! This man was just a worthless slag. If Earl was himself abused as a child, then we must have sympathy for the battered infant that he was at that time. However, this does not and cannot excuse his conduct as an adult. As a grown man he was fully responsible for his actions.

Earl had a choice and he made one.

He chose badly.

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“ight on Kathy. I felt a little sorry for him too.
They both seem like trash. However, she was a cheater. He was probably abused as a child and nobody ever thought to show him how to behave as a decent human or teach him how to Love.

Self-righteous whores seem to really like this flick.“

You sound like a fucked up incel.

Jenna cheated on the man who emotionally and physically abused her and it’s the cheating you have an issue with and the abuse that you excuse?

Fucking creep. Stay away from women.

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I don't know.

He slapped her. In my book, I don't care what you are going through, that makes you a bad guy.

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Earl needed her and used her but also abused her. He may have loved her in his own way, but his own way did not express a healthy love that she deserved to be hurt and damaged by. He didn't give her what she needed, he gave her only what he decided to have. Over time, that kills the love someone has for the abuser.

He always tore her down and made her give up her dreams. He was slowly killing her spirit. No one has the right to do that to someone else.

That's not love. If that's the only way Earl knew how to express it and that the only way he learned how to love someone else then he needed to keep it to him self and not impose more pain on someone else.

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Any man that tells a woman she better not love his own child more than him is a piece of sh!t.

Lonely Chicago pie

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I know this OP post was years ago... but nonetheless it needs a reply.

Namely: you're kidding, right?

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KathyKinkerk said

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As with all films, there was a clear protagonist and antagonist in "Waitress", however I found that during my viewing Earl was the person my sympathy went towards.

I realize that Earl did not treat Jenna like a princess, but I think in the same regard she showed no love to a man who, in his eyes, was loving her the only way he knew how to. Earl seems quite childish at points; he is jealous, overprotective, and needy. Underneath all of that is a person who is desperate for the love of the one person he thought would be with him forever. I can completely understand his motivation for being so difficult with her, he was trying to get her to just reciprocate the feelings he had for her which she clearly lost for him long ago.

The poor guy is so desperate for affection that his emotions control how he reacts to certain situations, making him get angry over things he can't make sense of in his head. Why would Jenna be hiding money from him? I think he trusted his wife and to see that she would lie to him like that devestated him.

Jenna, instead of trying to work things out with her husband, seemed to take a "poor me" stance and gave up even trying to fix her life for a period of time. I understand that these characters are quite possibly not intelligent enough to properly handle this situation, but there are many things she could have tried to improve her life. Earl loved her despite being a bit over-protective, and if she could try to work out the thing she found wrong in the relationship she might not be so miserable.

On to why I disliked Jenna, she made herself into a victim. Her life didn't have to be as bad as it was in her eyes. Watching this movie, I kept thinking how overwhelmingly terrible the writer did in making her a character the audience can sympathize with. She cheats a man who loves her in his own way. She doesn't want her baby, almost making it sound like she despises it and yet is planning to keep it. She interrupts another person's marriage. It does take two to tango, but Jenna was the person that initiated it.

I felt sorry for Earl, having his life crash around him at the end of the movie. The woman he was in love with tells him that she hasn't loved him for years, his child appears to have been taken away from him, and he never recieved the love he was searching for in the one person who owed it to him, as his wife. I cannot see how Earl can be so hated for being so very human and yet people are glad for Jenna when she is happily cheating on him.

That was my take on the movie. I didn't enjoy it too much because I prefer to like the main character, and 99/100 times I do, just not this time.

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