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I'm persian / let me tell you something



All the persians are white ... not like the crap 300 ...it was all lie .

about prince himself : i think he is half persian ... the blue or green eyes!!! maybe 10% of persians have colored eyes .

about casting : golshifte farahani was one of the choises for Tamina .. but because of the leaders of our country ( that i realy realy hate )... she was not allowed to leave so they gave it to Gemma Arterton .

Ben kingsley played a persian Character in ( house of sands and fog ) ... so i think the best choise for Nizam .

Alfred Molina ... has a persian face ... so another smart choise .

and Jake Gyllenhaal exacly like a half persian . please don't say about bad casting .

i do not saw the film yet . as some of you know ... in iran ... we dont have ( copy right) so i must waite for good Quality .. and download it .

last Tip : some maybe say about ... wooowww persians are heroes ... and americans made a film that show them in good Perspective ...and .....

the truth is every man in this F...ing planet . are all like the same . so i dont care about i'm persian ... or i have a good history and that *beep* . i just want a good life ...

SORRY FOR MY ENGLISH

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just in case you were wondering, Ben Kingsley is of Gujarati descent -- it's an Indian ethnicity, so it's not so farfetched to imagine him playing a Persian


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I have friends who are Persian or part Persian, and they are whiter than I am. Which is saying somethig since I'm German and Dutch.

I agree 100% with the OP.

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I do not think that the casting of JG had anything to do with the fact that he looks like a Persian. I think that it was more guided by the conceptual art done for the games that clearly portray the prince as being blue eyed.
On the other hand ,although I am not Persian but Greek, I think that the skin tone especially in those regions (including my country which stands as a doorway between east and west) is also influenced from the area of origin within your country. I have many friends that are Iranian and their skin tone varies from pale to tan...Even for us greeks (since we are mentioned in this thread a lot) this is true. For example i am a natural blond with green eyes while by best friend is dark skinned and has jet black hair.
To me a miscast would be using a black guy to play the prince of persia, or a white guy to play an african king... (no offence intented)

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Well, I'm Persian, and I'm olive complected and I'm considered "white" or in other words "Caucasian" anyone who thinks not, than they are ignorant, and have no *beep* idea. Persians are Caucasian... not black not anything else.

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The US is really weird and the society has a tinge of white supremacist thought. I mean it's subtle and people do not mean to be racist about it but it's clear in their thinking of other people.

Any note of olive skin or exotic features labels you a "non-white" "ethnic".

Of course they're hypocritical about this since no one questions George Clooney or Burt Reynolds.

In most of the world though olive skin is white, except in the US. Even in racist apartheid South Africa, olive skin citizens of Portuguese decent were/are considered white.

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^ totally agree

Mr. Singer. What an appropriate name for a man who can't shut up.

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I love when Persians accuse people of having a "white supremacist" complex when many Persians spend most of their time trying to prove how "white" they are and how they are superior to the Arabs who they blame for "darkening" their stock. Please! Regardless of what the US census says, Persians are obviously not the right kind of "white" to get cast in mainstream Hollywood roles.

The US is really weird and the society has a tinge of white supremacist thought. I mean it's subtle and people do not mean to be racist about it but it's clear in their thinking of other people.

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You mean LIGHTER? cuz ethnically/culturally being "Whiter" isn't the same as being "lighter" when speaking about skin tone. there are different skin tones in every culture. There are Persians and Arabs that are very light with blue eyes, green eyes, gray eyes, small noses and soft features and blond hair, red hair and nappy hair - all types.

Caucasian (doesn't equal) White... but unfortunately this word has been misused.

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Make the prince white? Anger the psuedo anthropologists. Make the prince tanned? Anger the game purists. Make the prince look like a cliché Middle Easterner? 'Nuff said.

There's no winning with this movie's casting.

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Your English is fine. All I want to say is thank you for your honesty...and your courage.

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White is a non-scientific term created to refer to people of European decent. Caucasian, the scientific term, refers to bone struture. Europeans, most Middle Easterner, and many South Asians fall into this category. Persians fit into one and not the other. I let you guess which one that is. I will say that many anthropologists would say these terms are dated. Its hard to place one into a certain category since there is so much diversity among humans.

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WE ARE PERSIAN AND ARABS ARE NOTHING

yes ... we are Persian with 2500 years civilization and 8000 years provided.
that's not strange that you saying these *beep*
why saying this?
because you are jealous to Persian provided and our history.
you can search and find out about Persia and reason of your jealous.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achaemenid_Empire
http://www.livius.org/persia.html
http://looklex.com/e.o/persia.htm
http://www.crystalinks.com/persia.html

you can go on *beep* yourself.
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Countries don't denote a person's ethnicity. AMERICANS have darker skin than Jake Gyllenhaal, because some of them are of African ethnicity, AMERICANS also have lighter skin than Jake Gyllenhaal because some of them are of Celtic ethnicity. Dummy. AMERICAN is not an ethnicity! Fyi, neither is IRANIAN!

Can you grasp what that means dufus? Let me spell it out. Not all IRANIANS come from the same ethnic background, just like AMERICANS, not all IRANIANS are dark skinned(Again, because they're not all of one ethnicity, dumbass), not all IRANIANS speak the same language/s, not all IRANIANS share the same religion, and not all IRANIANS are Persian.

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lol don't worry about 300, it was an action movie based on a real event, but obviously not based in reality. Leonidas could've been fighting black Nazis in Japan, it doesn't matter, it was all about the action and the heroic back guard stance.

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Iranians sometimes have to refer to themselves as Persians because some people can't even find Iran on a map. With the term "Persian" at least people can put it to a certain region.

Also, I like the Shah :-)

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This reply isn't to dudeamis. I'm just not sure where to begin. It seems many of the comments here are confusing some ideas. When persons say they are 'white' they most likely don't mean fair skinned. What they mean is that they share close ancestry with all Europeans, Middle Easterners, and Indians. These peoples share similar facial structures and languages. They are different from East Asians, Africans, Australian Aborigines, etc. This does not, however, make them Caucasian.

Most Americans throw this word out whenever they mean fair skinned, but that is not what it means. Persians are not from the Caucasus; they are also not from Saxony or Angeln. Making them neither Anglo-Saxon nor Caucasian, but neither are the Irish, Spanish, Italians, and countless others that are generally referred to as white.

I don't want to hear anybody complain to me that I'm being too detailed or that 'you knew what I meant' because obviously there has been some confusion.

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I am not persian but I have some doubts about the movie as I know a bit persian history and persian culture.

There is a map shown in the beginning that should not be true.As this movie makes references to Hassan Sabbah and his men, this map should belong to 11/12th century,at that time there was not persian empire in anatolia,mesopotomia and arabia but seljuks.

The military costumes(most of them) used in the movie are as same as seljuks use at their time.Do persians really use those costumes? Because Selahaddin Eyyubi wears same costume in kingdom of heaven.

Whirling men at Hassansins place are actually sufi/dervish religious ritual which still is practised in Turkey today.Hasan Sabbah is not a sufi or dervish.Sufism starts from seljuks continues through ottomans.Whirling men ve got nothing to do with persian culture.

Additionally I do not see much references to islam rituals but zerdust rituals which suprise me either.Because this plot is told in 11th century.

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I'm glad your so enthusiastic. And your Iranian, not Persian. Persia hasn't existed for thousands of years. Unless you can google map a link and prove it or something.

Just fyi, the 21st century has arrived.

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To OP: don't apologize for you "bad english" because it's much better than my Frasi. And to bamboopandacat above me: quit being a troll. There're just as many Americans living in the past...if not more.

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Do you realize that "Persian" is NOT a nationallity but an ethnicity, right?
nearly half the Iranians are Persian.
now, would you take it as an insult if I call you moron?

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can an Asian with very fair skin complexion considered as a 'white' ? or is that term exclusively for Caucasian only?

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Being Caucasian has nothing to do with skin color. And just because you're tanned from the sun, does not mean, you cease being "white" either. It's part of the reason why the classification of humans into "races" has long been abandoned in modern science. Because it relied too much on misleading physical characteristics and does not reflect the true genetic diversity of the human species.

Anyways, the term "Caucasian" was originally coined by the German scientist Blumenbach. He based it on the shape of the skull of peoples from the southern Caucasus region, not on the color of the skin. It included peoples from India and the Middle East as much as Scandinavia and the British isles, regardless of actual skin color.

Also where, do you ask, is the Caucasus region? Here's a hint: it's not in western Europe. It's the region which now includes the countries of Azerbaijan, Georgia, Armenia, northern Iran, and southern Russia. And this region was once part of... you guessed it... the ancient Persian empires.

Being "white" is about genetics and the migration of ancient human populations. Not about being blond-haired or blue-eyed. That was Hitler's idiocy.

That said, when most modern Americans say "white", they really mean "western European" like the Celts or the Germanic peoples. And yes, Persians are not western Europeans, although one offshoot of the Sarmatians, the Alan people, did migrate westwards during the Roman period. Their descendants refer to themselves as the "Iron". Compare it with the modern name for "Iran" as well as the word "Aryan". They all have the same etymological roots.

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Being Caucasian has nothing to do with skin color.


Yes it does.


Anyways, the term "Caucasian" was originally coined by the German scientist Blumenbach


No it wasn't.


when most modern Americans say "white", they really mean "western European"


As opposed to ancient Americans? 


White means white people. Caucasians are white people. Not black, brown, red or yellow.

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You don't even know who Blumenbach is, don't you?

Yes it does.


No it doesn't. Let me explain this to you as simply as I can, since you seem to have problems grasping the idea that humans aren't a box of crayons.

When the German scientist Christoph Meiners fist used the term "Caucasian" in 1785, he didn't apply it to "white people" as it is now defined in the US. It referred to Europeans exclusively, whom he regarded as the most superior race.

This idea was later expanded on most famously by another German scientist Johann Friedrich Blumenbach in 1790. It is from him that you get the five colors of Benetton that you so confidently repeat now (white, black, yellow, brown, and red). None of it is based on genetics, linguistics, or even common sense (the science of genetics wasn't even invented yet, and evolution was only being proposed).

He based it on skull shape. He believed that the other races (aside from his own - white) were all "degenerate" forms of Adam and Eve, that the original human species was white, and that if Africans were fed enough European food and exposed to European climates and customs, they would revert back to being white.

You still think this was "science"?

Now let me show you why skin color has nothing to do with genetic lineage. You know how the US classifies Middle Easterners as "Caucasian" but South Asians as "Asians"? Because Arabs are fair-skinned, right? Indians can't be Caucasians since their skin is so dark! You say.

Wrong. The ethnolinguistic grouping to which Europeans, South Asians, Persians, Kurds, etc. all belong to is what is known to modern science as the Indo-European peoples.

Genetically, linguistically, culturally, etc. all these people descended from the same ancient group of humans, the Proto-Indo-Europeans. And this relationship can still be traced today through genetic markers like R1a1a.

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v18/n4/abs/ejhg2009194a.html

Meanwhile, Jews, Arabs, Phoenicians and other ethnic groups from North Africa, the Levant region, and what is now Iraq and the Arabian peninsula, despite being lumped under the term "white" in US law, actually belong to a separate ethnolinguistic branch - the Semitic peoples. They speak a different language family, have different genetic lineages, and different cultures.

They have mixed together in modern times (especially after the Arab conquest of most of the Middle East and North Africa during the Islamic Caliphates), but it does not erase the fact that the brown-skinned Indians were more closely related to fair-skinned Germans, than Germans are related to the similarly fair-skinned Arabs.

Can you understand that? Or is this going over your head?

As opposed to ancient Americans?


As opposed to 18th, 19th, and early 20th century Americans. You're a bit dense, aren't you?

White means white people. Caucasians are white people. Not black, brown, red or yellow.


You think the people whom Americans considered "white" remained the same through centuries? LOL.

No.

I really don't know how it's so difficult for you to understand that "white" is NOT a scientific classification. It's arbitrary. Most of it is based on superficial similarity (again skin color) or politics.

Let me give you an example. Did you know that in the 18th century, IRISH people were not considered white? Nor did Americans consider Finns or Swedes as white back then either. Because like most northern Scandinavians, they have a relatively higher rate of occurrence of the epicanthic fold, i.e. "slanted" eyes, and thus Americans reasoned that they must have come from the "yellow race".

Modern Americans don't even consider Latin Americans as "white", despite the vast majority of Latin Americans actually being mostly genetically European in ancestry. I've actually met one American who thought Spaniards (i.e. people from Spain), were Latinos and not Europeans.

"White" doesn't mean squat. It means what people want it to mean. If you want to classify people, at least classify them on actual quantifiable criteria like genetics. And ferchrissakes it's the 21st century, stop friggin' repeating Blumenbach.

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Even Pakistan and a larger part of India consists of Caucasians.

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