u til they release a legit video of the pentagon being hit.
I can watch tower 1&2 being hit over and over I can watch people jumping from the tower but they can't show a recording of a plane hitting the pentagon? Show a video it would eliminate a lot of ammo
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I can watch tower 1&2 being hit over and over I can watch people jumping from the tower but they can't show a recording of a plane hitting the pentagon? Show a video it would eliminate a lot of ammo
It is kind of like innocently believing that Oswald alone killed Kennedy
or that the US invaded Iraq to help Iraqis or because of WMDs
or that Sadam Hussein had anything to do with 9/11
There are still people all over the world that believe these things but the more educated you get the more you stop believing in fairy tales.
Ddey thinks Oswald killed JFK alone...the governments version...I'm shocked!lol
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Report of the Select Committee on Assassinations of the U.S. House of Representatives https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/select-committee-report/ which says:
"Scientific acoustical evidence establishes a high probability that two gunmen fired at President John F. Kennedy. Other scientific evidence does not preclude the possibility of two gunmen firing at the President. Scientific evidence negates some specific conspiracy allegations"
"The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. The committee was unable to identify the other gunmen or the extent of the conspiracy"
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Ddey said:
"The Citicorp Building had a design flaw, that was easily fixed. No evidence of your 9/11 conspiracy, and no relevance."
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It would be helpful if you could read and comprehend Ddey.
The Citibank tower is an example of a building being altered...WITHOUT the occupants knowing what was going on or the danger they were in...the crews worked during the night and cleaned up every morning before occupants arrived...and was covered up for almost 20 years. Something government sheep say is impossible...being able to secretly alter a building without anyone knowing and keeping it secret.
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Ddey said: "There's nothing mysterious about the collapse of WTC 7. It was hit by Tower One"
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NIST report, NCSTAR1A p.39/130 states: "the damage from the debris from WTC 1 had little effect on initiating the collapse of WTC 7."
Nothing mysterious? That's why it took NIST YEARS longer to cook up more lies. When asked in early 2006 why the building had collapsed, NIST's Shyam Sunder replied: "Truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on building #7"
And it is obvious from the pics and video of WTC 7 that there was NO raging inferno, just small random fires and broken windows. You government propagandists point to some zoomed in pics and video of fire...and when it is zoomed out you can see it is NOT a big raging fire. A vast majority of WTC 7 was NOT on fire at all. Just more lies from the government and Ddey.
They also built the new WTC 7 building before the report on why #7 fell was even released.
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Ddey said:
"Wrong! No evidence was destroyed"
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Hoo-boy there's another WHOPPER of a lie from Ddey
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/07/us/tape-of-air-traffic-controllers-made-on-9-11-was-destroyed.html
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/22217926/ns/politics-white_house/t/cia-destroyed-tapes-despite-court-orders/
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/07/washington/07intel.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
http://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/jose-rodriguez-and-the-ninety-two-tapes
You know, those tapes that supposedly had "confessions" from terrorists that were waterboarded and rectally abused repeatedly. And the 9/11 (C)ommission relied HEAVILY on these "confessions" to create their "report"...and then the tapes were DESTROYED, even after being told NOT to destroy them.
You have to take the governments word that they are not lying, really nothing the government has said is backed up with anything....it's either circumstantial, classified, destroyed or it's just some ATM withdrawals or bank accounts.
The US House Committee on Science reported, in March 2002:
"In the month that lapsed between the terrorist attacks and the deployment of the BPAT team, a significant amount of steel debris—including most of the steel from the upper floors—was removed from the rubble pile, cut into smaller sections, and either melted at the recycling plant or shipped out of the U.S. Some of the critical pieces of steel—including the suspension trusses from the top of the towers and the internal support columns—were gone before the first BPAT team member ever reached the site. Fortunately, an NSF-funded independent researcher, recognizing that valuable evidence was being destroyed, attempted to intervene with the City of New York to save the valuable artifacts, but the city was unwilling to suspend the recycling contract. Ultimately, the researcher appealed directly to the recycling plant, which agreed to provide the researcher, and ultimately the ASCE team and the SEAoNY volunteers, access to the remaining steel and a storage area where they could temporarily store important artifacts for additional analysis. Despite this agreement, however, many pieces of steel still managed to escape inspection."
-From http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/science/hsy77747.000/hsy77747_0.htm <<<See the .gov Ddey...that's called a GOVERNMENT website...with a GOVERNMENT document that clearly says valuable and critical pieces of evidence were DESTROYED.
Ddey thinks Oswald killed JFK alone...the governments version...I'm shocked!lol
Report of the Select Committee on Assassinations of the U.S. House of Representatives.
It would be helpful if you could read and comprehend Ddey.
Ddey said: "There's nothing mysterious about the collapse of WTC 7. It was hit by Tower One"
And it is obvious from the pics and video of WTC 7 that there was NO raging inferno, just small random fires and broken windows.
http://debunking911.com/wtc7-fire.jpg <<< yea it shows PART of ONE floor on fire....yeah what a raging inferno HAHAHA
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Ddey said:
"Wrong! No evidence was destroyed"
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Hoo-boy there's another WHOPPER of a lie from Ddey
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/07/us/tape-of-air-traffic-controllers-made-on-9-11-was-destroyed.html
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/22217926/ns/politics-white_house/t/cia-destroyed-tapes-despite-court-orders/
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/07/washington/07intel.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
http://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/jose-rodriguez-and-the-ninety-two-tapes
You know, those tapes that supposedly had "confessions" from terrorists that were waterboarded and rectally abused repeatedly. And the 9/11 (C)ommission relied HEAVILY on these "confessions" to create their "report"...and then the tapes were DESTROYED, even after being told NOT to destroy them.
You have to take the governments word that they are not lying, really nothing the government has said is backed up with anything....it's either circumstantial, classified, destroyed or it's just some ATM withdrawals or bank accounts.
The US House Committee on Science reported, in March 2002:
"In the month that lapsed between the terrorist attacks and the deployment of the BPAT team, a significant amount of steel debris—including most of the steel from the upper floors—was removed from the rubble pile, cut into smaller sections, and either melted at the recycling plant or shipped out of the U.S. Some of the critical pieces of steel—including the suspension trusses from the top of the towers and the internal support columns—were gone before the first BPAT team member ever reached the site. Fortunately, an NSF-funded independent researcher, recognizing that valuable evidence was being destroyed, attempted to intervene with the City of New York to save the valuable artifacts, but the city was unwilling to suspend the recycling contract. Ultimately, the researcher appealed directly to the recycling plant, which agreed to provide the researcher, and ultimately the ASCE team and the SEAoNY volunteers, access to the remaining steel and a storage area where they could temporarily store important artifacts for additional analysis. Despite this agreement, however, many pieces of steel still managed to escape inspection."
-From http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/science/hsy77747.000/hsy77747_0.htm <<<See the .gov Ddey...that's called a GOVERNMENT website...with a GOVERNMENT document that clearly says valuable and critical pieces of evidence were DESTROYED.
http://debunking911.com/wtc7-fire.jpg <<< yea it shows PART of ONE floor on fire....yeah what a raging inferno HAHAHA
You know, those tapes that supposedly had "confessions" from terrorists that were waterboarded and rectally abused repeatedly. And the 9/11 (C)ommission relied HEAVILY on these "confessions" to create their "report"...and then the tapes were DESTROYED, even after being told NOT to destroy them.
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Ddey said:
"Wrong! No evidence was destroyed"
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Hoo-boy there's another WHOPPER of a lie from Ddey.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/07/us/tape-of-air-traffic-controllers-made-on-9-11-was-destroyed.html
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/22217926/ns/politics-white_house/t/cia-destroyed-tapes-despite-court-orders/
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/07/washington/07intel.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
http://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/jose-rodriguez-and-the-ninety-two-tapes
The US House Committee on Science reported, in March 2002:
"In the month that lapsed between the terrorist attacks and the deployment of the BPAT team, a significant amount of steel debris—including most of the steel from the upper floors—was removed from the rubble pile, cut into smaller sections, and either melted at the recycling plant or shipped out of the U.S. Some of the critical pieces of steel—including the suspension trusses from the top of the towers and the internal support columns—were gone before the first BPAT team member ever reached the site. Fortunately, an NSF-funded independent researcher, recognizing that valuable evidence was being destroyed, attempted to intervene with the City of New York to save the valuable artifacts, but the city was unwilling to suspend the recycling contract. Ultimately, the researcher appealed directly to the recycling plant, which agreed to provide the researcher, and ultimately the ASCE team and the SEAoNY volunteers, access to the remaining steel and a storage area where they could temporarily store important artifacts for additional analysis. Despite this agreement, however, many pieces of steel still managed to escape inspection."
-From http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/science/hsy77747.000/hsy77747_0.htm <<<See the .gov Ddey...that's called a GOVERNMENT website...with a GOVERNMENT document that clearly says valuable and critical pieces of evidence were DESTROYED.
Here's something you fail to realize, "box;" All the evidence of torture means nothing when it comes to evidence, because he freely bragged about how he orchestrated the attacks for OBL, as well as how he wanted to carry them out before he was captured.
Have you ever been at the Pentagon? I have. The camera that could record a clear image of a plane striking the building at that location doesn't exist. Pentagon perimeter security cameras were never intended to capture fast-moving airborne objects; they're to keep tabs on pedestrians and slow-moving cars or trucks.
I also personally spoke with workers at a grocery store within three miles of the impact site. These workers told me of witnessing a very large jetliner pass almost directly overhead approximately 30 seconds before impact. Where'd that plane go if not into the building or do you think they were paid off in case some random stranger stopped for a rest while walking home that morning?
Have you ever been at the Pentagon?
The camera that could record a clear image of a plane striking the building at that location doesn't exist. Pentagon perimeter security cameras were never intended to capture fast-moving airborne objects; they're to keep tabs on pedestrians and slow-moving cars or trucks.
I also personally spoke with workers at a grocery store within three miles of the impact site. These workers told me of witnessing a very large jetliner pass almost directly overhead approximately 30 seconds before impact. Where'd that plane go if not into the building or do you think they were paid off in case some random stranger stopped for a rest while walking home that morning?
Also check out what Pilots for 9/11 Truth have to say about it.
Finally google Barbara Honegger and April Gallup.
And all the military and intelligence officials who are calling for a real investigation into 9/11...let me guess Ddey, you think they are "twoofers" lol
Check out the personal statements from:
Col. George Nelson
U.S. Air Force (ret)
Commander of Aircraft Maintenance and Logistics
Aircraft Accident Investigator
Commander Ted Muga
U.S. Navy (ret)
Aviator
Commander Ralph Kolstad
U.S. Navy (ret)
Fighter Pilot
Former Air Combat Instructor
U.S. Navy Fighter Weapons School
Lt. Col. Bob Bowman, PhD
U.S. Air Force (ret)
Former Director of Advanced
Space Programs Development
Former Assistant Dean and Head of
Aeronautical Engineering Department,
U.S. Air Force Institute of Technology
Lt. Col. Shelton F. Lankford
U.S. Marine Corps (ret)
Fighter Pilot
Lt. Col. Guy S. Razer, MS
U.S. Air Force (ret)
Command Fighter Pilot
Former Air Combat Instructor
U.S. Air Force Weapons School
Maj. Douglas Rokke, PhD
U.S. Army (ret)
Former Director
U.S. Army Depleted Uranium Project
Maj. Charles E. Dills, PhD
U.S. Air Force Reserves (ret)
WW II Fighter Pilot
Capt. Gregory M. Zeigler
U.S. Army
Former Intelligence Officer
Capt. Joel M. Skousen
U.S. Marine Corps
Former Fighter Pilot
Capt. Eric H. May
U.S. Army (ret)
Intelligence Officer
Former Inspector and Interpreter
Intermediate Nuclear Forces Treaty Team
Just to name a few, here's their website for more military and intelligence officials:
http://www.mo911truth.org/
As soon as you listed Bob Bowman, you gave more proof that your have no credibility, and seriously? "MO911truth?" Another twoofer-splinter faction website?
Tom Veil,
Yeah they couldn't fly a plane toward and then past the Pentagon as the explosives went off....that would just be impossible, that is just outside the realm of possibility. False Flag operations aren't about deception, right?
The part of the Pentagon that blew up just so happened to have had recent renovation work (just like the towers and WTC 7 had recent renovation work) and also housed the Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI) which was investigating financial transactions which were linked to securities being managed by those securities dealers in the World Trade Center. They were recently moved to the newly renovated portion of the Pentagon. 39 of the 40 people working there were killed including the entire chain of command. And Accounting offices.
Also Flight 77 had some interesting people on it, like:
Stanley Hall, was "our dean of electronic warfare," said a colleague at Raytheon, a defense contractor. Hall, director of program management for Raytheon Electronics Warfare, helped develop and build anti-radar technology.
Bryan Jack, who worked at the Pentagon as head of programming and fiscal economics in the Office of the Secretary of Defense, he was a top budget analyst. From: http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/17/jack.htm
Robert Penninger, was an electrical engineer who had worked for defense contractor BAE Systems in San Diego since 1990. According to their website, BAE Systems provide some of the world’s most advanced, technology-led defense, aerospace and security solutions.
Robert R. Ploger III, worked for 20 years at Lockheed Martin, where he was a manager in the systems and software architecture department. Lockheed Martin is an American global aerospace, defense, security and advanced technologies company with worldwide interests.
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9/11 Commissioner quotes:
"At some level of the government, at some point in time...there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened" He also said: "I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way they described ... The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years... This is not spin. This is not true. This is not spin. This is not true."
-John Farmer Senior counsel, 9/11 Commission
"It's almost a culture of concealment, for lack of a better word. There were interviews made at the FAA's New York center the night of 9/11 and those tapes were destroyed. The CIA tapes of the interrogations were destroyed. The story of 9/11 itself, to put it mildly, was distorted and was completely different from the way things happened"
-John Farmer Senior counsel, 9/11 Commission
"We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting"
-9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer
"It is a national scandal", "This investigation is now compromised", "One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9/11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up"
-9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned
"We purposely put together a staff that had -in a way- conflicts of interest" -9/11 Commissioner John Lehman
"There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version...We didn't have access..."
-9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey
"I don't believe for a minute we got everything right", "that the commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, and that the 9/11 debate should continue"
-9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton
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The commissioners have ties to the very parties they are investigating, like the CIA, banking and financial interests and Bush administration officials. For example, Phillip Zelikow, the executive director of the 9/11 Commission, wrote a book with Condoleezza Rice, Zelikow was also one of the primary authors of NSS 2002.
Zelikow's many connections to the Bush White House:
Member of the National Security Council of the Bush I administration
Aid to National Security Advisor Brent Scowcroft under Bush I
Co-Author of book with Condoleezza Rice, National Security Advisor for Bush II
Director of Aspen Strategy Group, to which Rice, Scowcroft, Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz belonged
Member of Clinton to Bush II transition team
Member of Bush II's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, until being appointed to 9/11 Commission
Philip Zelikow's College thesis was on the "Creation and Maintenance of Public Myths." Zelikow basically wrote the 9/11 Commission's myth. Here is an article he did in 1998, 3 years before the attacks: http://belfercenter.ksg.harvard.edu/publication/652/catastrophic_terrorism.html
So nothing to see here, go back to sleep America, our government has never lied to us about something so big, right?
Sadly most people only believe known liars in government and "media" (90% of US "media" is owned by 6 corporations who make massive profits from war)
Here's some 9/11 facts:
1) The Secretary of Defense did not enter the chain of command until the morning's key events were over.
Check 9/11 Commission Executive Summary http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Exec.htm
Section titled: An Improvised Homeland Defense: "At more senior levels, communication was poor. Senior military and FAA leaders had no effective communication with each other. The chain of command did not function well. The President could not reach some senior officials. ***The Secretary of Defense did not enter the chain of command until the morning's key events were over.*** Air National Guard units with different rules of engagement were scrambled without the knowledge of the President, NORAD, or the National Military Command Center"
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SECTION The Pentagon Teleconferences:
"On the morning of September 11, Secretary Rumsfeld was having breakfast at the Pentagon with a group of members of Congress. He then returned to his office for his daily intelligence briefing.The Secretary was informed of the second strike in New York during the briefing; he resumed the briefing while awaiting more information. After the Pentagon was struck, Secretary Rumsfeld went to the parking lot to assist with rescue efforts."
911 Commission Report
pg 37 on document pg 54 on PDF counter
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report.pdf
Rumsfeld did nothing for over 30+ minutes knowing it was an attack, and still did nothing even after the Pentagon was struck!
Rumsfeld should have been in the National Military Command Center(NMCC), the Pentagon war room, after the first plane hit and with out a doubt after the second plane hit....not just go back to his meeting and do nothing even after the Pentagon, the building he was in, was hit.
NORAD's Cheyenne Mountain Operations Center, which maintains up-to-the-second monitoring of airspace over the entire nation and would have easily tracked the unfolding attack, but everyone was asleep or knew nothing about anything...yeah, right.
Also see the June 2001 change in hijacking procedures a few months before 9/11
https://web.archive.org/web/20060512090527/http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01a.pdf
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2) There was a gag order placed on workers at ground zero to silence them.
911stealth FDNY Under Gag Order Jobs at Stake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrAmyDUjINc
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3) FEMA arrived on pier 92 Monday September 10th to setup for Operation Tripod, a Terrorism Drill planned for the 12th.
9/11 Rudy Giuliani - FEMA At Pier 92 On Sept 10 For Planned Terror Drill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmPwwd1NdiU
9/11 To Be Honest ... FEMA Arrived In New York City On Monday Night: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EVIfwYKbM8
Also the MTI REPORT 02-06 Saving City Lifelines Lessons Learned in the 9-11 Terrorist Attacks page 15
http://transweb.sjsu.edu/MTIportal/research/publications/documents/Sept11.pdf just yet another "coincidence"
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4) NIST didn't look at any of the steel of building 7 it had been recycled instead of saving it for the investigations.
"because no steel was recovered from WTC7, it is not possible to make any statements about it's quality" NCSTAR1-3 7.7.2
http://www.krusch.com/books/911/Mysterious_Collapse_World_Trade_Center_7.pdf
During the official investigation controlled by FEMA, one hundred fifty pieces of steel were saved for future study. One hundred fifty pieces out of hundreds of thousands of pieces! Moreover it is not clear who made the decision to save these particular pieces. It is clear that the volunteer investigators were doing their work at the Fresh Kills dump, not at Ground Zero, so whatever steel they had access to was first picked over by the people running the cleanup operation.
"9-11 World Trade Center Evidence Removal Disguised As Rescue Effort 9-12-01 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucec1Y9wbR0 its about 10 and a half minutes, the whole video is important but at about 8 minutes 10 seconds in is where the info about evidence removal starts.
The government run FEMA "investigation" wasn't any better.
$ELLING OUT THE INVESTIGATION http://www.fireengineering.com/articles/print/volume-155/issue-1/departments/editors-opinion/elling-out-the-investigation.html
FEMA "investigators" were nothing more than tourists, only allowed to go and see what the government allowed.
Also see #7 below for more info on FEMA "investigation"
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5) NIST concealing the information that leads to their conclusions, because for some reason "disclosure of the information might jeopardize the public safety."
http://cryptome.org/wtc-nist-wtc7-no.pdf <<< just a copy of the rejection letter
NIST already said it was 1 column failing that started the "collapse" so anyone trying to use NIST info to bring a building down would just need to start some random fires and cut 1 column....building collapses almost perfectly...according to NIST that is.
And before you even try saying it was the damage from WTC 1 falling, "the damage from the debris from WTC 1 had little effect on initiating the collapse of WTC 7." NCSTAR1A p.39/130
NIST needs to show that their data inputs are not bogus, but NIST continues to refuse.
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6) NIST was finally forced to stop trying to lie and admitted Building 7 fell at freefall speed for at least 8 stories.
NCSTAR 1A 3.6] "This free fall drop continues for approximately 8 stories, the distance traveled between t=1.75s and t=4.0s...constant, downward acceleration during this time interval. This acceleration was 9.8m/s^2, equivalent to the acceleration of gravity." That means 8 whole stories of building 7 GAVE NO MORE RESISTANCE THAN AIR! Freefall can only be accomplished with demolition. Fire CANNOT cause freefall, ALL supports have to be cut at the same exact time for freefall to happen. Even known controlled demolitions can't always achieve freefall. There's no rationalizing freefall for any amount of time for building 7.
NIST tried to lie and tried hiding freefall until a high school physics teacher called them out on their deception.
In its draft report, released in August 2008, NIST attempted to cover up evidence that WTC7 fell at freefall, but the cover up was transparent. In its final report, released in November 2008, NIST finally acknowledged freefall, but couched it in a bizarre framework that continues to deny its clear significance. This video displays the brazenness of the NIST WTC7 coverup.
NIST finally admits freefall https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkp-4sm5Ypc
Here's some 9/11 facts:
Executive Summary http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Exec.htm
This government website is "twoofer" to you Ddey?
http://www.nist.gov/customcf/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=861610
This government website is "twoofer" to you Ddey?
http://www.gao.gov/assets/670/667671.pdf
This government website is "twoofer" to you Ddey?
http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/science/hsy77747.000/hsy77747_0.htm
This government website is "twoofer" to you Ddey?
None of that is any evidence of any cover up, and the source of your repeated thread is "9/11 truth.org." So yes, it IS a twoofer lie!!
More pitiful lies from government shill Ddey, there are a lot of sources in my posts, mostly government and mainstream media.
Here's some 911 commissioner quotes for you to deny or say they don't matter or are "twoofer" lol....go on Ddey, it's very sad, yet hilarious watching you lick government boot...
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9/11 Commissioner quotes:
John Farmer Senior counsel, 9/11 Commission "At some level of the government, at some point in time...there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened" He also said: "I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way they described ... The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years... This is not spin. This is not true. This is not spin. This is not true."
-John Farmer Senior counsel, 9/11 Commission
"It's almost a culture of concealment, for lack of a better word. There were interviews made at the FAA's New York center the night of 9/11 and those tapes were destroyed. The CIA tapes of the interrogations were destroyed. The story of 9/11 itself, to put it mildly, was distorted and was completely different from the way things happened"
-John Farmer Senior counsel, 9/11 Commission
"We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting"
-9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer
"I don't believe for a minute we got everything right", "that the commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, and that the 9/11 debate should continue"
-9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton
"It is a national scandal", "This investigation is now compromised", "One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9/11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up"
-9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned
"We purposely put together a staff that had -in a way- conflicts of interest"
-9/11 Commissioner John Lehman
"There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version...We didn't have access..."
-9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey
The commissioners have ties to the very parties they are "investigating" Like the CIA, banking and financial interests, and Bush administration officials, for example, Phillip Zelikow wrote a book with Condi, Zelikow was also one of the primary authors of NSS 2002.
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The director of the National Security Agency under Ronald Reagan – Lt. General William Odom – noted: Because the United States itself has a long record of supporting terrorists and using terrorist tactics, the slogans of today’s war on terrorism merely makes the United States look hypocritical to the rest of the world.
Odom also said: By any measure the US has long used terrorism. In ‘78-79 the Senate was trying to pass a law against international terrorism – in every version they produced, the lawyers said the US would be in violation.
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You can continue your shameless hacking for the government now Ddey...I'll even say your response for you... "doesn't matter, doesn't matter...twoofer twoofer twoofer" followed by ZERO links to government websites and reports with any evidence...There I saved you the time of typing your usual government garbage.
There is NO evidence in the governments myth of 9/11 That's why Ddey NEVER EVER EVER posts links to government websites and reports with specific evidence! He just flings childish insults and NOTHING else.
Ddey, When all you offer is childish insults then you truly have NOTHING.
Have a nice day.
There is NO evidence in the governments myth of 9/11
4) NIST didn't look at any of the steel of building 7 it had been recycled instead of saving it for the investigations.
"because no steel was recovered from WTC7, it is not possible to make any statements about it's quality" NCSTAR1-3 7.7.2
http://www.krusch.com/books/911/Mysterious_Collapse_World_Trade_Center_7.pdf
3) FEMA arrived on pier 92 Monday September 10th to setup for Operation Tripod, a Terrorism Drill planned for the 12th.
9/11 Rudy Giuliani - FEMA At Pier 92 On Sept 10 For Planned Terror Drill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmPwwd1NdiU
9/11 To Be Honest ... FEMA Arrived In New York City On Monday Night: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EVIfwYKbM8
Also the MTI REPORT 02-06 Saving City Lifelines Lessons Learned in the 9-11 Terrorist Attacks page 15
http://transweb.sjsu.edu/MTIportal/research/publications/documents/Sept11.pdf just yet another "coincidence"
7) Destruction of evidence (WTC steel, ATC tapes and information from the tortured detainees that the 9/11 Commission based their "report")
"Due to the small number of samples, statistical data analysis of the damage features and failure modes would be of little use" 6.4.1 Core Columns page 128 on the pdf file http://fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/fire05/PDF/f05130.pdf
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/07/us/tape-of-air-traffic-controllers-made-on-9-11-was-destroyed.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/07/washington/07intel.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 http://www.nbcnews.com/id/22217926/ns/politics-white_house/t/cia-destroyed-tapes-despite-court-orders/
http://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/jose-rodriguez-and-the-ninety-two-tapes
You know, those tapes that supposedly had "confessions" from terrorists that the 9/11 (C)ommission relied HEAVILY on to create their fairytale "report".
You have to take the governments word that they are not lying, really nothing the government has said is backed up with anything....it's either classified, destroyed or it's just some ATM withdrawls or bank accounts.
The US House Committee on Science reported, in March 2002:
" In the month that lapsed between the terrorist attacks and the deployment of the BPAT team, a significant amount of steel debris—including most of the steel from the upper floors—was removed from the rubble pile, cut into smaller sections, and either melted at the recycling plant or shipped out of the U.S. Some of the critical pieces of steel—including the suspension trusses from the top of the towers and the internal support columns—were gone before the first BPAT team member ever reached the site. Fortunately, an NSF-funded independent researcher, recognizing that valuable evidence was being destroyed, attempted to intervene with the City of New York to save the valuable artifacts, but the city was unwilling to suspend the recycling contract. Ultimately, the researcher appealed directly to the recycling plant, which agreed to provide the researcher, and ultimately the ASCE team and the SEAoNY volunteers, access to the remaining steel and a storage area where they could temporarily store important artifacts for additional analysis. Despite this agreement, however, many pieces of steel still managed to escape inspection."
"No clear authority and the absence of an effective protocol for how the building performance investigators should conduct and coordinate their investigation with the concurrent search and rescue efforts, as well as any criminal investigation: Early confusion over who was in charge of the site and the lack of authority of investigators to impound pieces of steel for examination before they were recycled led to the loss of important pieces of evidence that were destroyed early during the search and rescue effort. In addition, a delay in the deployment of FEMA's BPAT team may have compounded the lack of access to valuable data and artifacts."
"Difficulty obtaining documents essential to the investigation, including blueprints, design drawings, and maintenance records: The building owners, designers and insurers, prevented independent researchers from gaining access—and delayed the BPAT team in gaining access—to pertinent building documents largely because of liability concerns. The documents are necessary to validate physical and photographic evidence and to develop computer models that can explain why the buildings failed and how similar failures might be avoided in the future."
"Uncertainty as a result of the confidential nature of the BPAT study: The confidential nature of the BPAT study may prevent the timely discovery of potential gaps in the investigation, which may never be filled if important, but ephemeral evidence, such as memories or home videotapes, are lost. The confidentiality agreement that FEMA requires its BPAT members to sign has frustrated the efforts of independent researchers to understand the collapse, who are unsure if their work is complementary to, or duplicative of, that of the BPAT team. In addition, the agreement has prevented the sharing of research results and the ordinary scientific give-and-take that otherwise allows scientists and engineers to winnow ideas and strengthen results."
-From http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/science/hsy77747.000/hsy77747_0.htm
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8) There were Wargames on and around 9/11/01 one of them even included a hijacked plane crashing into the World Trade Center.
Peter Jennings Describes 9/11 Wargames: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpI9hD23Meg http://911proof.com/9.html
The Failure to Defend the Skies on 9/11 timeline http://www.historycommons.org/essay.jsp?article=essayairdefense
Yeah them running a "drill" that is the same as what is happening in real life....just yet another amazing "coincidence" to add to the mountains of other "coincidences". How many "coincidences" can you have for 1 event until you start to wonder?
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9) Bush and Cheney after delaying the start of the investigation for over a year and then only agreeing to appear before the commission on the condition that they: NOT BE UNDER OATH, testify together (not separately as was requested), behind closed doors and the testimony would not be recorded electronically or transcribed, and that the only record would be notes taken by one of the commission staffers and even these notes would not be made public! Total secrecy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9AoaU7LlTk
And the 9/11 (C)ommission relied heavily on another government run "investigation", Penttbom, which just like all the others, you just have to take the governments word that they are not lying to us again.
Penttbom was full of useless biographical info that proves nothing other than people have bank accounts and use ATM's. Penttbom was just like all the other government run "investigations", just statements made by the government with no actual proof.
And the "hijackers" just so happen to leave luggage full of just the right info to neatly tie them all together and they mostly used joint accounts so they could be easily linked with one another....that was just so nice of the "hijackers" to have all their info ready to go for the government to easily find.
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10) Cheney requested Tom Daschle (who was sent anthrax from a US military base) on several occasions limit the scope of the investigation and not to investigate the issue of prior knowledge.
Patrick Leahy and Tom Daschle – Opposed passage of the PATRIOT Act and received anthrax letters.
Cheney & Bush Asked Tom Daschle Not To Investigate 9/11 AT ALL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePOIhhd9Jr0
https://www.aclu.org/files/assets/CIA.pdf page 26
The President and Vice President trying to stop investigations into the biggest attack in our countries history is certainly not an irrelevant fact.
The anthrax was from a US military lab! Do you think Al Qaeda broke in and stole it or something? Or that Bruce Ivins had anything to do with it? As usual, the government has zero evidence Ivins had anything to do with it. Just yet another unanswered question about 9/11.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/new-report-casts-doubt-on-fbi-anthrax-investigation/
http://www.gao.gov/assets/670/667671.pdf
http://www.globalresearch.ca/head-of-the-fbis-anthrax-investigation-says-the-whole-thing-was-a-sham/5443516
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11) The Commission was not about assigning blame, no accountability, no one was fired, promotions were handed out instead...PROMOTIONS were handed out to the people in charge when the biggest supposed "failure" to protect us in our nations history happened.
Promotions after the 9/11 attacks: http://www.mountingevidence.org/appendix-b.html http://911blogger.com/node/12767
You don't promote failure.
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12) Bush and bin Laden families connections (Arbusto Oil, Bush Sr. would stay with the bin Ladens when he was in Saudi Arabia, Carlyle group whose members included Bush Sr. and Shafiq bin Laden OBL's brother had meetings in D.C. at the Ritz Carlton September 10 and 11, 2001. Search Bush bin Laden family connections plenty of information out there.
http://www.denverpost.com/rodriguez/ci_4319898
http://truth-out.org/archive/component/k2/item/69782:ties-between-the-bush-family-and-osama-bin-laden
http://www.globalresearch.ca/george-w-bush-and-the-bin-laden-family-meet-in-new-york-city-one-day-before-911/5332870
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/09_18_01_bushbin.html
http://noliesradio.org/archives/4810
Estranged from his family? maybe, maybe not. When your family member is a wanted person, I don't think anyone would say..."yeah we were hanging out last week" lol
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13) U.S. is offered bin Laden twice, before and after the attacks if they just provide evidence, the Bush Admin. refuses to do so.
Bush Was Offered Osama Bin Laden On A Silver Platter - 2/27/01: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX_t8qPQp1g END WAR No Evidence Given To Public Or Taliban On OBL Behind 9/11 & Thus Preventing Needless War: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LOTSxM_2oE
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14) 9/11 Commission Report was a Commission admittedly "set up to fail" according to the Chairman himself.
The 9/11 Commission was "set up to fail": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0LBARGBupM
Also check out Philip Zelikow, Executive Director of the 9/11 Commission, his college thesis was on the "Creation and Maintenence of Public Myths." Zelikow basically wrote the 9/11 Commission's myth, he decided what would be seen and what wouldn't be seen. Here is an article he did in 1998, 3 years before the attacks:
http://belfercenter.ksg.harvard.edu/publication/652/catastrophic_terrorism.html
The method employed by Phillip Zelikow is known as stove-piping. He had all information and evidence come directly through him and his judgment before it saw the light of day, if ever. According to sources, he would give fact-finding tasks to staff members (ex. Hijackers origins, Pentagon actions, F.A.A. response, etc.) and then take their conclusions, organize them with the other groups conclusions and rewrite everything. On more then one occasion, staffers complained that they were being told not to
investigate certain things or only focus on one issue. This method used by Mr. Zelikow is known as compartmentalization. It is commonly used by the N.S.A. or C.I.A. to make sure no one person can piece together all the components of a particular truth.
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15) There were many, many conflicts of interest in the 9/11 Commission members.
The conflicts of interest in the 9/11 Commission members and Henry "King of Coverups" Kissinger, a wanted war criminal.
http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4549161/conflict-interest-philip-zelikow-911-commission
http://www.dc911truth.org/flyers/4Supp911Conflicts.pdf
http://edition.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/12/13/kissinger.resigns/
Conflicts of interest in any investigation is certainly not irrelevant.
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16) Commissioner Max Cleland resigning from the 9/11 Commission saying "The White House is playing cover up."
http://www.democracynow.org/2004/3/23/the_white_house_has_played_cover
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17) There was elevator modernization, rust treatment and asbestos abatement of major steel support columns within the elevator shafts of WTC towers 1 and 2 that was ongoing leading up to 9/11.
And access to Towers elevator shafts means access to core columns.
There was asbestos removal in the elevator shafts that was ongoing leading up to 9/11 (From the Merritt & Harris building assessment from Dec. 2000 pg.16) that says "Abatement of asbestos containing fireproofing material in elevator shafts is ongoing"
They also had access to the visco-elastic dampers. (from M&H building assessment from Dec. 2000 pg.15)
The visco-elastic dampers minimize the sway sensation, there were about 10,000 visco-elastic dampers between support columns and floor trusses throughout the building. And the next "physical sampling and analysis" of the visco-elastic dampers was in 2001.
There's also Demolition Access To The WTC Towers Part 1, for a lot more detailed info.
http://911review.com/articles/ryan/demolition_access_p1.html
Demolition Access To The WTC Towers: Part Two - Security http://911review.com/articles/ryan/demolition_access_p2.html
Demolition Access to the WTC Towers: Part Three - Carlyle, Kissinger, SAIC and Halliburton: A 9/11 Convergence
http://911review.com/articles/ryan/carlyle_kissinger_saic_halliburton.html
Demolition Access to the WTC Towers: Part Four - Cleanup http://911review.com/articles/ryan/demolition_access_p4.html
An article from Elevator World from March 2001 titled "Drive to the Top" by Robert Baamonde, Jr. Ace elevator undertook what was perhaps, one of the largest, most sophisticated elevator modernization programs in the industry's history. It took place at the WTC, they won second place for Elevator World's Project of the Year award.
There's also NIST, I would not call NIST a legitimate source for info but NIST itself says that, on 9/11, “Elevators 6A and 7A were out of service for modernization“. (NIST NCSTAR 1-8, p.97).
Major WTC renovations to be completed within one year of December, 2000 included rust treatment and asbestos abatement of major steel support columns within the elevator shafts of WTC towers 1 and 2, from M&H report, info highlighted in M&H report here: http://911blogger.com/news/2009-12-10/port-authority-nynj-no-records-contracts-all-major-wtc-renovations-recommended-year-2000-property-assessment
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And for anyone who thinks a building couldn't be rigged without people in the building knowing or anyone who thinks it couldn't be kept secret really need to look into the secret retrofit of the Citibank Tower. They brought people in to weld during the night and cleaned up and left every morning before the occupants arrived. The occupants had no idea what was going on in their building or the danger they were in.
I guess you think incendiary/explosives are always in boxes with Acme Explosives written on the side?
How Manhattan escaped tragedy (3 parts)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZhgTewKhTQ
The Secret Retrofit of the Citibank Tower in 1978
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_ekNosnieQ
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/buildingbig/wonder/structure/citicorp.html
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1995/05/29/the-fifty-nine-story-crisis
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_eye/2014/04/17/the_citicorp_tower_design_flaw_that_could_have_wiped_out_the_skyscraper.html
I am sure some people can just ignore all these facts, but for anyone who isn't determined to over look or deny facts, please look deeply into 9/11.
WTC Explosive Connections pdf's (very detailed connections):
https://wikispooks.com/w/images/e/ef/WTC1_Explosive_Connections.pdf
https://wikispooks.com/w/images/6/65/WTC2_Explosive_Connections.pdf
7) Destruction of evidence (WTC steel, ATC tapes and information from the tortured detainees that the 9/11 Commission based their "report")
12) Bush and bin Laden families connections
13) U.S. is offered bin Laden twice, before and after the attacks if they just provide evidence, the Bush Admin. refuses to do so.
The conflicts of interest in the 9/11 Commission members and Henry "King of Coverups" Kissinger, a wanted war criminal.
I guess you think incendiary/explosives are always in boxes with Acme Explosives written on the side?
How Manhattan escaped tragedy (3 parts)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZhgTewKhTQ
The Secret Retrofit of the Citibank Tower in 1978
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_ekNosnieQ
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/buildingbig/wonder/structure/citicorp.html
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1995/05/29/the-fifty-nine-story-crisis
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_eye/2014/04/17/the_citicorp_tower_design_flaw_that_could_have_wiped_out_the_skyscraper.html
Ddey65 way to get the win and support the real truth with the truth. All theses conspiracies have way to many holes in them its hard to believe anyone even bothers to hear them let alone believe them.
shareThat's funny solojere. Ddey flat out LIES by saying no evidence was destroyed...I PROVE a lot of critical evidence was DESTROYED like: steel destroyed, tapes made on 9/11 by FAA personal destroyed, CIA torture/"confession" tapes destroyed...and to you that's a win?
HA, no wonder you believe the official conspiracy theory of 9/11.
And what you describe solojere: "have way to many holes in them its hard to believe anyone even bothers to hear them let alone believe them." ...that's a PERFECT description of the official conspiracy theory of 9/11....a story told by known liars in government and media, with massive conflicts of interest, many changing stories and timelines and literally tons of destroyed and classified evidence...and that is the truth to you solojere? That's very sad and scary that you believe known liars in government and the corporate/CIA owned media with such ease.
Ddey, you have some more blind government sheep to herd up with to help you deny, deflect, rationalize and spread government lies and propaganda.
So solojere, which official 9/11 theory do you believe and why?
1) On and right after 9/11, "experts" said: - Towering Inferno, Steel melted, later backtracked.
2) Or FEMA - Floor failure: "A pancake-type collapse of successive floors"...this is just their best guess. FEMA even admits:
"With the information and time available, the sequence of events leading to the collapse of each tower could not be definitively determined."
-from http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_execsum.pdf
3) Or Silverstein/Weidlinger - Column failure only, this theory was for the insurance suit.
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/22/nyregion/expert-report-disputes-us-on-collapse.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20030318055124/http://www.engr.psu.edu/ae/WTC/SilversteinWTCReleaseStatement.pdf
4) Or NIST - External column failure from sagging floors and softened core columns, etc ... leading to pile driver collapse.
NIST's final report released in September 2005, is Part 2 of the official conspiracy theory because of its departure from the first theory -- the pancake theory.
As always, conflicts of interest should be avoided but NIST used specialists/contractors who were dependent on government contracts or on the official story itself.
NIST clearly described its approach in a footnote on page 82 of its final report:
"The focus of the Investigation was on the sequence of events from the instant of aircraft impact to the initiation of collapse for each tower. For brevity in this report, this sequence is referred to as the “probable collapse sequence,” although it includes little analysis of the structural behavior of the tower after the conditions for collapse initiation were reached and collapse became inevitable."
http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/wtc_about.cfm Bottom of page.
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NIST NCSTAR 1, WTC Investigation
Footnote 5, pg 20 on document
http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/wtc_finalreports.cfm
"The reader should bear in mind that the described damage to the building exterior was derived from eyewitness and photographic evidence. The described damage to the aircraft and the building interior was deemed most likely from the computer simulations and analysis carried out under the Investigation.".....Whose data inputs are still classified!
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And since you believe the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 solojere maybe you can point to specific evidence in official reports/documents like the 9/11 Commission,PENTTBOM, 9/11 Joint Inquiry, etc....
There's no such thing as "the official conspiracy theory," box. Silverstein's insurance claims have nothing to do with Al-Qaeda's responsibility for the attacks, or the manner in which the towers collapsed.
And, by the way I'm not the one who has been lying. You people are. All the confessions made about how the 9/11 attacks want down were made WITHOUT torture, and no evidence regarding the steel was destroyed. In fact a lot of it has been on display as memorials and exhibits and the like.
Silverstein's insurance claims have nothing to do with Al-Qaeda's responsibility for the attacks, or the manner in which the towers collapsed.
Ddey said: " All the confessions made about how the 9/11 attacks want down were made WITHOUT torture"
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Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded 183 times. A CIA medical officer said that "we are basically doing a series of near drownings." Also rectally abused.
Abu Zubaydah was waterboarded at least 83 times, rectally abused. He also loses an eye while in custody.
And this is just 2 of many detainees the CIA admits to "enhanced interrogation" aka torture. And there is certainly more they are keeping secret.
Detainees were forced to stand on broken limbs for hours, kept in complete darkness, deprived of sleep for up to 180 hours, sometimes standing, sometimes with their arms shackled above their heads, subjected to “rectal feeding” without medical necessity, rectal exams were conducted with “excessive force”, mock executions, Russian roulette, beatings, US agents threatened to slit the throat of a detainee’s mother, sexually abuse another and threatened prisoners’ children. One prisoner died of hypothermia brought on in part by being forced to sit on a bare concrete floor without pants...yeah no torture here. LMFAO
You can keep playing dumb(flawlessly by the way) Ddey, the info is there for people to look into on their own and decide for themselves.
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This is from the 9/11 Commission report:
Detainee Interrogation Reports
Chapters 5 and 7 rely heavily on information obtained from captured al Qaeda members. A number of these "detainees" have firsthand knowledge of the 9/11 plot.
Assessing the truth of statements by these witnesses-sworn enemies of the United States-is challenging. Our access to them has been limited to the review of intelligence reports based on communications received from the locations where the actual interrogations take place. We submitted questions for use in the interrogations, but had no control over whether, when, or how questions of particular interest would be asked. Nor were we allowed to talk to the interrogators so that we could better judge the credibility of the detainees and clarify ambiguities in the reporting. We were told that our requests might disrupt the sensitive interrogation process.
We have nonetheless decided to include information from captured 9/11 conspirators and al Qaeda members in our report. We have evaluated their statements carefully and have attempted to corroborate them with documents and statements of others. In this report, we indicate where such statements provide the foundation for our narrative. We have been authorized to identify by name only ten detainees whose custody has been confirmed officially by the U.S. government.
-From http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch5.htm
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So for chapters 5 and 7 the 9/11 Commission relied HEAVILY on information obtained from captured "al Qaeda" members who were tortured (waterboarding, rectal abuse, threats of sexual abuse or death to detainees and their family members, stress positions, beatings, etc) until they said or signed "confessions".
The investigators as they themselves admit "had no control over whether, when, or how questions of particular interest would be asked." <<<trying to act like they didn't know torture was happening lol
"Nor were we allowed to talk to the interrogators so that we could better judge the credibility of the detainees and clarify ambiguities in the reporting. We were told that our requests might disrupt the sensitive interrogation process". <<<LMFAO!
And this is the only "proof" the government has...well had, all the CIA torture tapes were destroyed even after being told not to destroy them....so you have to take the governments word that they are not lying to us yet again.
And they can only name 10 detainees, HAHAHA
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Ddey said: "no evidence regarding the steel was destroyed. In fact a lot of it has been on display as memorials and exhibits and the like."
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I have already proven you a liar on this many times Ddey, with a government document no less, the steel from the upper floors were gone before any investigators even arrived...that's called destruction of critical evidence Ddey. Many people, including victims families tried in vain to stop the destruction of evidence.
Some info on the destruction of evidence is right here for anyone to read. http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/science/hsy77747.000/hsy77747_0.htm
And the pieces on display are just a very small fraction of all the steel in the Towers and WTC 7...like less than 1% of all the steel.
All the critical steel from the upper floors were long gone before any investigators even arrived....that's destruction of evidence....even if Ddey refuses to believe reality, literally tons of evidence was destroyed.
Ddey you clearly believe known liars/criminals in government and the corporate/CIA owned media, but more and more people do not believe known liars/criminals in the government and the corporate/CIA owned media.
You can keep playing dumb but it is not helping your sides argument Ddey.
And if this is all just kooky and crazy stuff to you Ddey why do you take the time (years now) responding and constantly lying about things that are easy to prove you wrong?
And still waiting on specific evidence in actual official government reports like the 9/11 Joint Inquiry, PENTTBOM, 9/11 Commission, etc...You seem allergic to official government reports and documents Ddey. lol
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded 183 times.
Neato, a thread where dumb asses can congregate. Have fun.
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WORDS MEAN THINGS! Also, before you come to bitch about a plot hole, rewatch the show/movie.
Kamal Obeid
S.E. Structural Engineer
"Structural engineers and other building professionals need to understand that these buildings did not fail the way they are claimed to have failed."
Scott Grainger
P.E., Forensic Fire Protection Engineer
"Structural steel frame high-rise buildings simply do not collapse due to fire."
Ed Munyak
P.E., 25-Year Fire Protection and Mechanical Engineer
"Even one global collapse would have been extraordinary, but to have 3 occur in one day was just beyond comprehension."
David Chandler
B.S Physics, M.S. Mathematics
"People with scientific and engineering backgrounds are looking at the 3 WTC collapses, and what they see is very definite evidence of explosive demolition, as opposed to a "natural" catastrophe."
Jerry Lobdill
B.S.Ch.E., Physicist/Chemical Engineer
"All the eyewitness testimony and video evidence supports only controlled demolition as the cause of destruction for all 3 WTC buildings."
Robert Podolsky
M.S., Physicist/Engineer
"All 3 WTC buildings fell way faster than they would have had there been any resistance from the lower part of the building."
Gery Warner
P.E. Mechanical Engineer
"Molten aluminum is silver. It looks like mercury. The molten metal pouring out of the South Tower is indicative of molten iron, not aluminum.”
William Brinnier
25-Year Architect
"Not hit by a plane, with small fires and little damage from debris, there was just no logical explanation for Building 7 to come straight down through what was the path of greatest resistance in under 7 seconds."
Dan Barnum
FAIA, High-Rise Architect
"The tops of the buildings were basically disintegrated."
Frank Cullinan
P.E., Civil Engineer
"It was shocking how fast the buildings collapsed. Tens of thousands of structural connections had to fail not only nearly simultaneously, but in sequential order.”
Anthony Szamboti
B.S.M.E., Mechanical Engineer
"The tons of molten metal under just the three WTC buildings that collapsed made me realize that what we're being told about how they collapsed is false."
Casey Pfeiffer
S.E. Structural Engineer
"Even if a floor were to collapse it still wouldn't be able to collapse all of the connections simultaneously at the rate that it did without secondary explosions."
William Rice
P.E., Civil/Structural Engineer
"Watching Building 7 collapse in under 7 seconds, after watching the Twin Towers collapse, I think most anyone would recognize these as controlled demolitions."
Steven Jones
Ph,D., Physicist, Former Brigham Young Univ. Professor
"Molten metal in the basements of all three buildings. What is this molten metal? Direct evidence of the use of thermite."
David Gregg
Ph.D., Chemical Engineer 30 years at Livermore Laboratories
"The only way that's known that a carbonaceous material can cause steel, or iron oxide to turn into a molten metal is in a blast furnace. And that's very different than what we had."
Kevin Ryan
B.S. Chemistry, Former Mgr. Underwriters Laboratories
"Thermite -if it was present at the World Trade Center, and created this molten metal that so many witnesses and photographic evidence shows would also explain potentially the fact that fires could not be put out at Ground Zero."
Jody Gibbs
35-Year Architect
"The Twin Towers fell at a speed which can only occur if the vertical structure has been removed."
Robert Kim Ireland
B.S.Ch.E., Chemical Engineer
"3 buildings collapsed on 9/11 but there were only 2 planes, that means the third building, WTC 7, had to collapse for some other reason."
Jason Cheshire
B.S.Ch.E., Chemical Engineer/Metallurgist
"1400º hot spots at the WTC for over a week indicates that there was something very hot going on below the surface."
Kathy McGrade
B.S., Materials Engineering
"In an office fire, you cannot generate enough heat to melt steel."
Mark Basile
B.S.Ch.E., 25 Years in Materials Analysis
"I've independently seen thermitic activity within 2 separate independent samples of world trade center dust. All of the characteristics of the micro-spheres tell me that thermite was used in melting those steel beams."
Robert Podolsky
M.S., Physicist/Engineer
"All 3 WTC buildings fell way faster than they would have had there been any resistance from the lower part of the building."
Niels Harrit
Ph.D., Chemistry
"A new investigation is needed that includes looking for remaining explosives and
thermitic materials in the WTC dust."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddz2mw2vaEg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5UyynjxAyw&t=2s
Do they claim to have footage of the pentagon hit? If not, no one was filming when the pentagon was hit. Simple as that.
share"u til they release a legit video of the pentagon being hit."
So, let's see, dozens of witnesses saw the plane hit the Pentagon and told their stories. The radar tracking tracked the plane from takeoff to it's crash at the Pentagon. There are photos of plane parts on the grass minutes after the impact. There were plane parts found in the Pentagon. There were body parts of people who were on the plane found in the Pentagon. And there was damage to the walls of the Pentagon where the plane's wings struck.
We do have actual video of the planes hitting the towers in New York, and you idiots still don't believe it. Some kind of hologram bullshit or something.
So no, don't be lying by saying a video would convince you. Nothing is going to convince you.