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4 LEVELS to the AXXON N STORY and the FRONT WINDOW scene ETC.


The 4 LEVELS to the AXXON N STORY and the FRONT WINDOW scene etc.


We seem to have 4 LEVELS to the AXXON N STORY:

3 LEVELS take place INSIDE of it ...

1 LEVEL takes PLACE OUTSIDE OF IT ...

or OUTSIDE of the MAGIC REALM that is created by the NEW NEIGHBOR ... the REALM that ends when DERN turns her head to look over at the other TWIN COPY of herself sitting on the couch across the room in the PALE BLUE 50 or 60's style dress.





LEVEL ONE:

Mr. and MRS. LUCAS (Lost Girl) ... is seduced by the BIG BAD WOLF character ...

(inside of the MODERN DAY HOTEL ROOM ... with the MODERN DAY MONITOR ... and the Modern day SATELLITE DISH that sits outside the window where she sits ...

which also means their story takes place OUTSIDE of the INSIDE STORY shown to us by the NEW NEIGHBOR).


LEVEL TWO:

MR. and MRS. PIOTREK (aka: NIKI) ... is seduced by her Co Star DEVON???


LEVEL THREE:


SUE BLUE (Dern as Mrs. Smithy) is seduced by BILLY ???


LEVEL FOUR:


LOST GIRL is seduced by MUSHTASH MAN or by the husband of the WOMAN in WHITE ???

So ...

if we assume the MRS. PIOTREK character or the NIKI/SUE character is also a DUAL character ROLE an actress plays in KINGSLEY'S BLUE VERSION of the STORY ...

which is also a story about an ACTRESS from the current TIME getting TRAPPED inside of SMITHY'S WORLD or inside of his 1960 TIME frame ...

because of a CURSE that is also a part of accepting and playing a DUAL ROLE in the MOVIE SCRIPT ...

then doesn't that also mean the WINDOW SCENE where NIKI stands inside of SMITHY'S LIVING ROOM ...

looking out the FRONT WINDOW ...

as she watches the inside of STAGE 4 disappear ...

and turn into a FRONT YARD ...

would also be a part of the MOVIE SCRIPT?

And doesn't that also mean the ACTRESS we see standing there is waiting for the FILM CREW to LOAD UP and PROJECT the FRONT YARD SCENE onto the BLUE or GREEN SCREEN before she OPENS up the LOCKED FRONT DOOR that is now UNLOCKED ...

so that she can go out into the Front yard and look around ...

pretending to be confused ...

because that's also what the MOVIE SCRIPT calls for her to do NEXT ...

in this part of the MOVIE SCRIPT that calls for her to get TRAPPED inside SMITHY'S HOUSE???

Because this MAGIC WINDOW scene also happens right after we see the 2ND REHEARSAL for SCENE 35 ...

where DERN ENCOUNTERS the TWIN COPY of herself that disappears from the REHEARSAL TABLE ...

after she enters the AXXON N DOOR in the BACK Alley.

And during the REHEARSAL for SCENE 35 we also hear KINGSLEY saying:

WE'LL BLOCK it out as BEST as POSSIBLE ...


Which is also a term for WALKING to the PARTS of the STAGE where one says one's lines ...

which also means DEVON WALKS to the BACK OF THE STAGE ...

because that's also where he needs to be to say his lines in the SCRIPT ...

which also means his STANDNG OUTSIDE of SMITHY'S HOUSE as DERN looks out at him through the FRONT WINDOW is also a part of the MOVIE SCRIPT????



Yes?

No?

Maybe so???









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4 levels seems about right.

You are probably on the right track...but this is a 23rd century movie and we aren't there yet.

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4 levels seems about right.

You are probably on the right track...but this is a 23rd century movie and we aren't there yet.


Ok.

So WHERE ARE WE then dk???

Are we LOST like LOST GIRL???

Have we entered into an AXXON N DOOR UNAWARE of what the DANGER was ...

and then been THROWN back into another different TIME ERA ...

the same way as DERN is when she enters the AXXON N DOOR in the BACK ALLEY of STAGE 4???

Which CENTURY are we located in now???

Which CENTRURY were we located in prior to our entering an AXXON N DOOR???



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The problem with only having 4 LEVELS to the story is the way in which we also have THE MORPHING RABBIT CHARACTERS ...

characters who would also add a 5th LEVEL to it.





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Ok. So Please tell us more about this 6TH LEVEL that you say you see.


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Ok. So Please tell us more about this 6TH LEVEL that you say you see.


Still waiting to HEAR more about this other 6TH LEVEL ...

Could it also INVOLVE BUCKY J the CAMERA MAN???



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Ok. So Please tell us more about this 6TH LEVEL that you say you see.


Still waiting to HEAR more about this other 6TH LEVEL ...

Could it also INVOLVE BUCKY J the CAMERA MAN???


AND ...

which way do we go to find this other LEVEL???

FURTHER INSIDE of the STORY ...

or EVEN FURTHER OUTSIDE of it ...

to a point where we BACK UP even further than to assume it is DERN, JUSTIN, and LUCAS who portray THE DUAL and TRIPLE or even QUAD ROLES of NIKI/Sue and DEVON/BILLY plus the QUAD ROLES of Piotrek/Smithy/MUSTASH MAN/MAN in the GREEN COAT ???




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Ok. So Please tell us more about this 6TH LEVEL that you say you see.


Still waiting to HEAR more about this other 6TH LEVEL ...

Could it also INVOLVE BUCKY J the CAMERA MAN???


AND ...

which way do we go to find this other LEVEL???

FURTHER INSIDE of the STORY ...

or EVEN FURTHER OUTSIDE of it ...

to a point where we BACK UP even further than to assume it is DERN, JUSTIN, and LUCAS who portray THE DUAL and TRIPLE or even QUAD ROLES of NIKI/Sue and DEVON/BILLY plus the QUAD ROLES of Piotrek/Smithy/MUSTASH MAN/MAN in the GREEN COAT ???



STILL WAITING ...

XXPO says as they TAP their fingers on the keyboard ...





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Ok.

With no reply to explain the 6 LEVELS guess we're back to having 4 LEVELS again???

That also MAKES MORE SENSE with LYNCH saying DERN PLAYED 4 characters in IE.



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According to this LINK:

http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/news/mark-frost-david-lynch-tweet-twin-peaks/

we may also have another LEVEL to the TWIN PEAK STORY coming up!!!



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Anyone think the NEW ADDITION to the TWIN PEAKS story may contain something that might also help us to figure out more about some of the other mysteries that we deal with in IE???

What comes to mind is the way BOB makes TIME RUN BACKWARDS in TP and we have the WATCH with the GREEN TINTED FACE running BACKWARDS in TIME in IE.


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Guess you guys heard about how LYNCH won't direct the episodes of TP3 NOW???

That probably also means it's not very likely we'll see something in it that can help us to figure out other stuff that happens in IE. :(

But he's also still CO WRITTEN the script of it.

Anyhow here's something else that was found about what's called BLUE BOB:

http://www.lynchnet.com/articles/msnchat.html

What can you tell us about Bluebob?

David Lynch: "BlueBob" is about electricity, smoke, fire, and industry.

EvilLera: Do you believe in the supernatural and what role does it play in your films?

David Lynch: I believe that there's much more going on than we can see, feel, touch, taste, or kick. See, smell, hear, taste, or kick.





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The 4 LEVELS to the AXXON N STORY and the FRONT WINDOW scene etc.


We seem to have 4 LEVELS to the AXXON N STORY:

3 LEVELS take place INSIDE of it ...

1 LEVEL takes PLACE OUTSIDE OF IT ...

or OUTSIDE of the MAGIC REALM that is created by the NEW NEIGHBOR ... the REALM that ends when DERN turns her head to look over at the other TWIN COPY of herself sitting on the couch across the room in the PALE BLUE 50 or 60's style dress.





LEVEL ONE:

Mr. and MRS. LUCAS (KAROLINA as Lost Girl) ... is seduced by the BIG BAD WOLF character ...

(inside of the MODERN DAY HOTEL ROOM ... with the MODERN DAY MONITOR ... and the Modern day SATELLITE DISH that sits outside the window where she sits ...

which also means their story takes place OUTSIDE of the INSIDE STORY shown to us by the NEW NEIGHBOR).


LEVEL TWO:

MR. and MRS. PIOTREK (aka: NIKI) ... is seduced by her Co Star DEVON???


LEVEL THREE:


SUE BLUE (Dern as Mrs. Smithy) is seduced by BILLY ???


LEVEL FOUR:


LOST GIRL is seduced by MUSTASH MAN or by the husband of the WOMAN in WHITE ???

So ...

if we assume the MRS. PIOTREK character or the NIKI/SUE character is also a DUAL character ROLE an actress plays in KINGSLEY'S BLUE VERSION of the STORY ...

which is also a story about an ACTRESS from the current TIME getting TRAPPED inside of SMITHY'S WORLD or inside of his 1960 TIME frame ...

because of a CURSE that is also a part of accepting and playing a DUAL ROLE in the MOVIE SCRIPT ...

then doesn't that also mean the WINDOW SCENE where NIKI stands inside of SMITHY'S LIVING ROOM ...

looking out the FRONT WINDOW ...

as she watches the inside of STAGE 4 disappear ...

and turn into a FRONT YARD ...

would also be a part of the MOVIE SCRIPT?

And doesn't that also mean the ACTRESS we see standing there is waiting for the FILM CREW to LOAD UP and PROJECT the FRONT YARD SCENE onto the BLUE or GREEN SCREEN before she OPENS up the LOCKED FRONT DOOR that is now UNLOCKED ...

so that she can go out into the Front yard and look around ...

pretending to be confused ...

because that's also what the MOVIE SCRIPT calls for her to do NEXT ...

in this part of the MOVIE SCRIPT that calls for her to get TRAPPED inside SMITHY'S HOUSE???

Because this MAGIC WINDOW scene also happens right after we see the 2ND REHEARSAL for SCENE 35 ...

where DERN ENCOUNTERS the TWIN COPY of herself that disappears from the REHEARSAL TABLE ...

after she enters the AXXON N DOOR in the BACK Alley.

And during the REHEARSAL for SCENE 35 we also hear KINGSLEY saying:

WE'LL BLOCK it out as BEST as POSSIBLE ...


Which is also a term for WALKING to the PARTS of the STAGE where one says one's lines ...

which also means DEVON WALKS to the BACK OF THE STAGE ...

because that's also where he needs to be to say his lines in the SCRIPT ...

which also means his STANDNG OUTSIDE of SMITHY'S HOUSE as DERN looks out at him through the FRONT WINDOW is also a part of the MOVIE SCRIPT????



Yes?

No?

Maybe so???


So what about the MURDERS???

Since we see the DEAD BODY of the MUSTASH MAN, doesn't this also mean that wouldn't be him with KAROLINA inside of SMITHY'S HOUSE at the end of IE??

And since we also see the DEAD BODY of DORIS SIDE, then that wouldn't be her in THE WHITE SHORTS.

And since we see the DEAD BODY of DEVON (wearing the BLACK LEATHER JACKET???) that probably also means PIOTREK kills him like he threatens to do???

And since SMITHY also tells DERN HE's NOT who she THINKS he is, doesn't that leave us left with just PIOTREK and LUCAS as the ACTOR who plays him???

Because MUSTASH MAN is DEAD, and we think he's SMITHY, but he's also saying that's NOT who he is, and it's also NOT VERY LIKELY PIOTREK would be inside of the 60 TIME FRAME.

So that also leaves us left with just LUCAS, the ACTOR who plays all of these other ROLES (PIOTREK/SMITHY/MUSTASH MAN/MAN in the GREEN COAT), who has the REUNION scene with KAROLINA at the END of IE.

Because this much more GENTLE VERSION of LUCAS also doesn't act JEALOUS or as threatening as the MAN in the GREEN COAT does???






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And perhaps JANEK (THE OLDER MAN in the PALE GREEN COAT) is also like THE NEW NEIGHBOR who uses MAGIC, but he uses it to show THE PHANTOM what happens IF he takes the ROLE.

And maybe the YOUNGER MAN in the GREEN COAT is the YOUNGER VERSION of JANEK,

the same way as KAROLINA is the YOUNGER VERSION of the NEW NEIGHBOR.




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Someone also suggested the RABBITS are WATCHING THEMSELVES on the MOVIE MONITOR they have in the RABBIT ROOM ...

like LOST GIRL also seems to have a MOVIE MONITOR inside of ROOM 205 ...

WHERE WE SEE LANI and LORI RUN DOWN the HALLWAY ...

before LG looks over to HER RIGHT a few seconds later ...

and ACTUALLY SEES THEM RUNNING PAST the OPEN DOOR of the ROOM where she's sitting.


This is not a critique towards you XXPO, but simply a reaction to this suggestion by someone you mention above. First of all: WHERE do we see a monior inside of the Rabbit Room?

Secondly: Lost Girl is looking on the monitor and sees everything that we, the audience sees? Let’s say she just sees Dern somewhere in the theater looking at the monitor. Possible right? Than she also sees Lani and Lori running down the hallway. How can that be? How can TWO camera’s be connected with ONE monitor? Perhaps it would be possible with a split screen, but we do not see that. We see the whole screen of the monitor filled with these two images which come from SEPERATE camera’s. We know this because the images we see have different backgrounds and lighting. It also is not a question of changing the channell because A: we do not see Karolina change the channel and B: IF she did it would highly, highly unlikely she just happen to switch to the channel of this particular camera in the hallway JUST as Lani and Lori walk by. Taken literally there’s NO explanation for these two distinctly different images which cannot be other than from different camera’s.
Another impossibillity: when Dern is standing outside of Stage 4 she sees the image of Karolina on a monitor. However we do NOT see a monitor anywhere nearby. Moreover one cannot look into a camera and see a projection: a camera films and does not project. So how to explain Dern seeing the image of Karolina outside of Stage 4?

Then we also have DERN WATCHING the BLUE VERSION of the STORY on the BIG SCREEN ...

which also ACTS like a MONITOR ...


A projection screen acting like a monitor? Taken metaphorically a possibillity, but literally not so much. Agreed, Dern does go through red curtains again so one might claim this as teh cause of the screen acting so peculiar.


perhaps that also means it would be LOST GIRL that DERN watches Dancing on the RABBIT TV ...

which could also mean THE RABBITS were also watching LOST GIRL on their TV ...

since that's also what DERN seems to see on it???


And yet we never SEE a tv set in the Rabbit Room let alone a monitor.


LOST GIRL is seduced by MUSTASH MAN or by the husband of the WOMAN in WHITE ???


We never see LG and Mustash Man together.

And doesn't that also mean the ACTRESS we see standing there is waiting for the FILM CREW to LOAD UP and PROJECT the FRONT YARD SCENE onto the BLUE or GREEN SCREEN before she OPENS up the LOCKED FRONT DOOR that is now UNLOCKED ...


Dern is waiting for the film crew while she is standing in front of that window? Not very likely, because she looks rather bewildered, amazed and disoriented. Hardly someone who is waiting impatiently for the film crew to be ready.

And since we also see the DEAD BODY of DORIS SIDE, then that wouldn't be her in THE WHITE SHORTS.


We do NOT see the dead body of Doris Side, because we SEE Doris Side alive and well AFTER this scene. What we see is that the actress Ormond is murdered. By this I mean that we see a person played by the actress Ormond being murdered.

And since SMITHY also tells DERN HE's NOT who she THINKS he is, doesn't that leave us left with just PIOTREK and LUCAS as the ACTOR who plays him???


No it doesn’t, because Dern can think he is anybody. We cannot be sure what Smithy means by this exactly we can only make a substantiated guess. The fact that we have seen Dern mostly with the Lucas character doesn’t imply in any way that it is one of the characters that is being played by this actor. When you take this into context and connect it to the themes in the movie than you get a much broader palet you can pick and choose from. For instance Dern never says that Smithy is her husband. When the visitor asks if she knows the man who lives there (at Smithy’s house) Dern answers ”yes.” We also know that Dern has told this man that she is pregnant. The question is indeed if she knows who he is, but we cannot be sure if Smithy is referring to a name or the “sort” of man. Notice ho wit is left conspicuously vague WHAT the relationship between Dern and Smithy in essence constitutes. In light of this I’m tempted to assume that Smithy is indeed referring to the “sort” of man: does Dern think he is her husband or her lover?

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Like the 3 OLD RABBIT MEN who MORPH back into RABBITS AFTER MIDNIGHT

DERN and BILLY are also HALF CREATURES.

HALF HUMAN/ HALF RABBIT.

Because this is also a FOLK TALE.

When DERN tries to call BILLY from SMITHY'S the call is sent to the 47 RABBIT ROOM.

Then we also hear the AUDIENCE LAUGHING as if they can see what's happened.

This is probably where someone else got the idea there's a MONITOR inside of ROOM 47.

DERN is NOT in the THEATRE when she LOOKS into the MOVIE MONITOR.

She's still OUTSIDE and standing in front of STAGE 4 which she EXITS after her DEATH SCENE.

SO NO. We won't say something is so when it IS NOT SO.

KAROLINA sees LANI and LORI running down the hallway and then TURNS her HEAD to ACTUALLY SEE THEM through the OPEN DOOR running PAST HER.

Thus giving us PROOF that LANI and LORI are REAL PEOPLE and NOT characters that DERN imagines INSIDE of her mind.

After this DERN enters the room and we see the inside or ROOM 205.

Also NOTE the way we LOOK OVER the shoulder of KAROLINA when IE BEGINS.

So this is NOT her VIEW but the VIEW of someone else we see.

Because someone else is also IN THE ROOM who LOOKS OVER her shoulder at the MONITOR.

And when the PHANTOM sells her THE WATCH he also tells her he will WATCH OVER HER.

The MONITOR shows us whatever the CAMERA sees.

LYNCH is also using a PORTABLE MOVIE CAMERA.

That's how you see the HALLWAY and then the INSIDE of the ROOM.

This is also revealed to you in the LYNCH ONE and TWO DOCUMENTARIES that reveal how IE was made.

The DIGITAL SONY camera being used is light weight enough to carry it around. It's not big and bulky like the OLD FASHIONED PANASONIC camera you see at the end of DERN'S DEATH SCENE.

LYNCH also calls it a POGO STICK.

YES the movie screen can also be turned into a MONITOR.

We know the RABBITS have a TV or a MONITOR in the room because we HEAR them watching SIT COMS on it. Then we also see DERN watching something on it.

Karolina is located inside of the 30'S TIME FRAME, same place we see the MUSTASH MAN located.

And Yes. We also KNOW the WINDOW SCENE is also a part of the MOVIE SCRIPT,

because we also HEAR KINGSLEY say they'll do the WINDOW SCENE:



Is that our set?

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Yeah
lt's not finished yet

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There's Smithie's House.

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Smithie's House.


Well, I thought since we're here
and Smithie site's been started...

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We might go over some of the scenes
that take place there.

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Lets take, for instance,
scene 35...

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... the scene where Devon...
you arrive,

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... Billy,

at Smithie's house to find Sue,

--Nikki--

looking out the window.



Therefore, we also know DERN is waiting for the FILM CREW to LOAD UP and PROJECT the FRONT YARD SCENE onto the BLUE or GREEN SCREEN before she OPENS up the LOCKED FRONT DOOR that is now UNLOCKED ...

and we also KNOW DEVON is the one who signals it's ok to EXIT the door ...

because we also see him TURNING the HANDLE of the DOOR during the REHEARSAL for SCENE 35.

So when he does that she also knows she can exit the door and WALK BACKWARDS in the FRONT YARD.

It's also her JOB as the ACTRESS to look bewildered in this scene.

In the LYNCH DOCUMENTARY you also see LYNCH giving her instructions about how to ACT like she's SCARED.

GO HERE to the 6:l9 TIME FRAME:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLry85Twhno

Also note the way the YARD has a fence with BARS all around it, which reminds one of the other PRISON like DOOR in the other PALACE.

The DEAD BODY WE SEE is ORMOND and she's also DRESSED NICELY in a DARK SUIT.
So this also isn't the other one in the CUT OFF SHORTS.

DERN is suppose to be SUE when she's BEATEN by LUCAS.

SUE wouldn't know PIOTREK or MUSTASH MAN.

And he's also saying HE'S NOT SMITHY.

So NO DERN as SUE can't think he's anyone.

And she also sees THE MAN in the GREEN COAT when she enters SMITHY'S HOUSE.

We don't even know for sure WHO PLAYS SMITHY.

KINGSLEY also says HIS NIECE keeps asking:

WHO PLAYS SMITHY

as DERN has her MAKE UP APPLIED.

The LUCAS who BEATS HER may be the EVIL TWIN COPY that is created when LUCAS uses the AXXON N DOOR that's located inside of SMITHY' HOUSE.

GO HERE:

https://italkyoubored.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/david-lynchs-inland-empire-an-attempt-at-a-roadmap/


In the MOVING picture ...

NUMBER 87 from the top ...

you'll also see the LUCAS who enters the AXXON N DOOR in SMITHY'S HOUSE is also wearing the GREEN COAT.

The CLOSE UP SHOT of the Face of LUCAS at the HOT DOG PARTY ...

with the RED STAIN on his WHITE SHIRT ...

(which also FORESHADOWS what happens during DERN'S DEATH SCENE when she VOMITS UP the BLOOD) ...

also looks like it could be an EVIL COPY of LUCAS as well.






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