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NOTES on INLAND EMPIRE

posted 12 years ago by xxpo
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Here's what LYNCH SAYS in an interview:


http://collider.com/collider-interviews-david-lynch-and-laura-dern-inland-empire/

http://www.moviesonline.ca/movienews_10704.html




David, could you talk about how this film relates to some of your other work, because there seem to be like similarities with Mulholland Drive and we actually saw some clips of Rabbits [the surreal rabbit-people sitcom Lynch filmed at his house] in this film. So is this film an extension, or how would you view it?

David: It’s different, but similarities because it deals as Mulholland Drive did with the movie, you know, industry,


Here LYNCH clearly explains how both IE and MD are STORIES that DEAL WITH THE MOVIE INDUSTRY.


In this other interview he also CLEARLY explains how viewers who see his films as being DREAMS are MISTAKEN to do so:


http://parallax-view.org/2011/11/08/interview-david-lynch-on-inland-empire-i-the-idea




Do you think viewers are right in seeing your films as dreams on the screen?

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LYNCH:

No


So when one takes into consideration the fact that IE is a story that deals with the FILM INDUSTRY ...

and LYNCH says it isn't RIGHT to interpret the story as being some kind of a DREAM STATE ...

where one assumes this part is REAL or this part is NOT REAL ...

then, imo, this is what MAKES the MOST SENSE:



http://chainedtothecinematheque.blogspot.com/2007/01/notes-on-inland-empire-part-3.html

Notes on INLAND EMPIRE, Part 3

The structural complexities are immense

IE ... doubles back on itself recursively


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursion

as when Susan interrupts Nikki’s rehearsal, an interruption that happens both early and late in the chronology of IE.

and when Laura Dern’s character (Susan? Nikki? Laura?) meets the girl who’s been watching her on the television

The danger of an actor’s performance

and the process of role-playing are a narrative engine as well as a theme.

... a physical manifestation of Susan, a reality that later takes over Nikki so completely that she is no longer Nikki



... blurred lines between Past, Present, and Future. Huge sections of the film exist as flashbacks or flashforwards,

and much of the narrative confusion experienced by viewers is due to an inadequate presence of clue-giving on Lynch’s part as to when we are jumping and in which direction[b]

one ... (is) more engaged in the process ...

Lynch pushes the boundaries of even his intense audience and creates a new kind of viewership




So the story becomes a TALE about the DANGER of an ACTOR giving a PERFORMANCE ...

one where her ROLE PLAYING becomes THE THEME ...

and she becomes a PHYSICAL MANIFESTATION of the SUE BLUE character that she portrays ...

to the POINT where NIKI COMPLETELY DISAPPEARS ...

which is also why the GHOST of LOVE ...

or the WOMAN in the WHITE shorts from POLAND ...

chases her and STABS her with the SCREW DRIVER on the WALK of FAME.

Since the other HOOKERS also can't see the WOMAN in the WHITE SHORTS,

this would most likely also be where the IMAGINATION of the ACTRESS comes into play???

And even though the SCENE where she's STABBED is suppose to be REAL ...

what DERN probably sees is IMAGINARY ...

like BETTY/DIANE seeing the IMAGINARY image of RITA inside of her place when she's NOT REALLY THERE.

So just like NIKI DISAPPAREARS in IE and becomes SUE ...

due to the DANGER of her ROLE PLAYING ...

Perhaps BETTY also DISAPPEARS in MD and becomes DIANE for the same reason???

Because BETTY also fell VICTIM to the DANGER of her ROLE PLAYING as well???

And when AUNT RUTH comes back from Canada and finds NO ONE there at her place, perhaps that's also because her niece has MORPHED into being DIANE, or into one of the characters that she portrayed in one of the MOVIE ROLES???

Like NIKI also MORPHS into becoming SUE BLUE after she portrays her role???

<b>So like this other person who wrote NOTES ...

and LYNCH himself says:

BOTH IE and MD are films about (the DANGERS of ROLE PLAYING in) the FILM INDUSTRY???



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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mise_en_abyme

the phrase has several other meanings in the realm of the creative arts and literary theory. In Western art history, &quot;mise en abyme&quot; is a formal technique in which an image contains a smaller copy of itself, in a sequence appearing to recur infinitely.

The film-within-a-film is an example of mise-en-abîme. The film being made within the film refers, through its mise-en-scène, to the real film being made. [b]The spectator sees film equipment, stars getting ready for the take, crew sorting out the various directorial needs.</b> The narrative of the film within the film may directly reflect the one in the real film.[4]

In literary criticism, &quot;mise en abyme&quot; is a type of frame story, in which the core narrative may be used to illuminate some aspect of the framing story.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Story_within_a_story

The literary device of stories within a story dates back to a device known as a frame story, when the outer story does not have much matter, and most of the bulk of the work consists of one or more complete stories told by one or more storytellers


In Chaucer's The Canterbury Tales, for example,

The WIFE of BATH tells a tale about her 5 husbands ... and then another one about a KNIGHT who has to find out the secret of what WOMEN WANT MOST ... in order to SAVE his life.

Or in HAMLET we also have ACTORS hired by HAMLET to give a PLAY (within the play) that MIRRORS what HAMLET suspects his UNCLE did when he MURDERED his father.

In the CLUB of SILENCE xxpo also suspects this is what happens. The scene ON STAGE where the DEAD WOMAN SINGS most likely also MIRRORS the other scene where ADAM PLAYS the AUDITION TAPE where another already DEAD WOMAN sings the EVERY LITTLE STAR song.

And the reason why she's DEAD is probably also because BETTY kills her when she finds the address where she lives inside of Rita's purse while Rita's still in the shower. Because Betty's in love with RITA and wants to get rid of the competition.

So in the scene where we hear ADAM SAY:

THIS IS THE GIRL

BETTY probably also RUNS AWAY because she thinks they KNOW she's the KILLER.

And the scene in the CLUB of SILENCE where we see BETTY SHAKING in her SEAT also seems to CONFIRM this.

So just like the case where we have A PLAY within a PLAY in HAMLET ...

We also have a PLAY within a PLAY in MD ...

where the DEAD GIRL who sings on STAGE MIRRORS the other DEAD GIRL who SINGS on the PRE RECORDED TAPE.








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http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?131203-INLAND-EMP IRE-a-tentative-analysis


Mr. K, who leads her to the "palace" of the hotel where the Lost Girl is. We know he's a Rabbit because one hour and twenty minutes into the movie, we see a Rabbit sitting down at a desk. Then we see Laura Dern walking up some stairs and into the room with Mr. K. He's sitting at the same desk the Rabbit was just sitting at, wearing the same suit.



THE RABBIT sitting down in the room of MR. K can be seen here at the 38 SECOND TIME MARK:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2jUhuAIiTM

MR. K can be seen here at the 59 SECOND TIME MARK:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8YYOJiJg8Y&feature=related

But he's wearing a PALE BEIGE COLOR SUIT instead of a DARK BLUE SUIT like JACK RABBIT WEARS in the RABBIT ROOM and when he sits down in THE ROOM of MR. K.


And here's the rest of what the poster calls their Tentative ANALYSIS:

Last edited by Dusto; 05-05-2008 at 07:10 AM.

A revised analysis, following a third viewing:

Layers of narrative in Inland Empire:

Layer 1. Polish gypsy folk tale: A boy went out to play and when he walked through the door, evil followed him. The variation: A girl went out to play but she got lost in the marketplace. Eventually she figured out that the path to the palace was in the alley behind the marketplace.

Connections: When Visitor 1 (Grace Zabriskie) tells this story to Nikki Grace, she says something along the lines of You dont remember. Later, Nikki Grace tells her costar that she started to remember something when they were filming a scene in an alley behind the market where she bought him groceries. This is eventually where she finds the Rabbit, Mr. K, who leads her to the "palace" of the hotel where the Lost Girl is. We know he's a Rabbit because one hour and twenty minutes into the movie, we see a Rabbit sitting down at a desk. Then we see Laura Dern walking up some stairs and into the room with Mr. K. He's sitting at the same desk the Rabbit was just sitting at, wearing the same suit. Laura Dern says, "I don't exactly understand what I'm doing here." This is the scene she eventually sees on the movie screen after she's made it back "outside of the story" (see below). After watching this scene, she turns and sees Mr. K walking up some stairs. She follows him and finds Room 47, where the Rabbits live, and she shoots the Phantom before going inside. Also, the Rabbits who talk to Peter Lucas in Poland (they're Polish men when they talk to him, but they turn into Rabbits) tell him something like "The horse will come to the well." When Mr. K gets a phone call while Laura Dern is sitting with him, he says, "The horse has come to the well." This line is repeated when she's watching herself on the screen, right before she shoots the Phantom. Visitor 1 also tells Nikki It is an unpaid bill that needs paying, a phrase that is echoed by Visitor 2 (Mary Steenbergen) to Susan Blue. Killing the Phantom (see below), I believe, is the way to pay this bill. Visitor 1 is giving Nikki the information she needs to overcome the obstacles she will face "inside the story."

Layer 2. 47 (pronounced vier-sieben): A German film based on a cursed Gypsy folk tale (see above), whose actors, according to Jeremy Irons, eventually discovered something inside the story. The plot of this movie is roughly as follows: the Lost Girl's character was having an affair with Peter Lucas character, who was married to Julia Ormond, who was infertile. I think Krzysztof Majchrzak, AKA The Phantom, is basically the Devil, or at least a being of pure supernatural evil in the vein of Bob from Twin Peaks and the Mystery Man from Lost Highway. In any case, he appears in 47 as the Lost Girl's abusive husband/pimp, and he causes Julia Ormond to kill Peter Lucas while Peter Lucas is on his way to elope with the Lost Girl. The Lost Girl pregnant with Peter Lucas child runs into the Phantom while she's on her way to the planned elopement, and he tells her about the murder. The Lost Girl is driven to prostitution by the death of Peter Lucas and subsequent death of their child. After the opening sequence of Inland Empire, which depicts a faceless prostitute and a faceless pimp, the Lost Girl ends up in a hotel room that can only be reached through Room 47, where she sits watching the events of Inland Empire unfolding on a TV.

Connections: The Phantom wants to get to the Lost Girl, but he can't reach her in the hotel room. In the beginning of Inland Empire, he tells one of the Rabbits that he is seeking "an opening," a way in to Room 47 and thus to the Lost Girl. This is his motivation throughout the film. Also worth noting, the film opens with the scratch of a vinyl record playing; all of the Polish scenes have the sound of the record in the background, linking it to Axxon N, the longest running radio drama in history. I think that the actor who plays Peter Lucas role in 47 has discovered the same thing inside the story, that Nikki Grace discovers: the meta-world of Axxon N,
which leads to Room 47, the Rabbits, and the Lost Girl. Peter Lucas goes to see the Rabbits in Poland, searching for the Phantom. They tell him that the Phantom has fled to the Inland Empire (outside of Los Angeles). He hears the Lost Girls voice in this scene, but he cant see her. The Rabbits give him a gun to kill the Phantom, but since the Phantom has already moved on, he cant carry this out himself. He hides the gun in a drawer in Smithys House.

Layer 3. On High In Blue Tomorrows: a remake of the unfinished German film, 47. This is very much a Hollywood version of 47. Yet while one is naturally tempted to assume that Susan Blue is the Lost Girl character, it's not so simple. At least to a degree, she's a much better fit with the Peter Lucas character in 47. Peter Lucass character in On High In Blue Tomorrows is the Julia Ormond character from 47. To make matters more confusing, Julia Ormond plays Justin Theroux's wife in On High In Blue Tomorrows.

Connections: In 47, Julia Ormond (though her face isnt shown) says, I'm not who you think I am to Peter Lucas and something like I know for a fact that I am incapable of giving you any children (at which point the chorus of prostitutes says "Who is she?"). In On High In Blue Tomorrows, Peter Lucas says almost the same thing to Susan Blue, who is cheating on him just as he was cheating on Julia Ormond in 47. Here, Justin Theroux is in the role of the Lost Girl (who became a prostitute, while he's sexually promiscuous; its the double standard of the variation in the folktale). The Phantom causes Julia Ormond to kill Susan Blue. So it's basically the same story as 47, with genders a little mixed up, except that Susan isn't on her way to meet up with Justin Theroux when she gets killed (as Peter Lucas was on his way to meet the Lost Girl). In a notable exception to the correspondences of characters between films, Susan Blue ends the filmlike the Lost Girlhaving fallen into a life of prostitution after the death of her child.

4. Inland Empire: a film by David Lynch, about Nikki Grace, an aging actress trying to get back to the top. She's simultaneously worried that she's no more than a piece of meat and that she's past her prime as far as meat-hood goes. She has a controlling husband played by Peter Lucas, who plays a similar role to that of the Phantom in 47. Nikki has on onset affair with her costar from OHIBT, played by Justin Theroux, who is analogous to the Peter Lucas character from 47. OHIBT is cursed, though, and Nikki begins having trouble distinguishing between herself and her role. Like the actors of 47, she has discovered something inside the story.

Connections: I think the story is a sort of hell, which is where the curse comes in. Peter Lucas (in his role as Susan Blue's husband in OHIBT) is condemned to live the role of the woman he cheated on, and Julia Ormond (in her role as Justin Theroux's wife in OHIBT) is condemned to repeat her crime of jealous murder. The Lost Girl (which is also to say the girl from the folk tale who is lost in the marketplace: Hollywood, whoredom, whatever you want to call it) manages to communicate with Nikki while she's lost in the story (and to communicate with Peter Lucas before her, while hes lost in 47). The prostitutes are the prostitutes the Lost Girl knew in Poland. They tell Nikki Grace how to see the story of what happened before, to the Lost Girl, by looking through the cigarette hole in the silk dress. Nikki, though confused about her identity, starts to figure out all the layers of everything that has happened, seeing the Lost Girl's story as well as seeing herself going through the lines for the movie. Nikki manages to get out of the story, and when she sees herself on the movie screen, everything makes sense to her. The man with the glasses, Mr. K, is a Rabbit: a force of good in the same way that The Phantom is a force of evil. He shows Nikki where to go and comments that He's somewhere nearby (meaning the Phantom). Nikki finds the gun where Peter Lucas left it and manages to shoot the Phantom before he can get into Room 47, thus paying the unpaid debt and providing a consequence for the Phantom's actions (though notably he doesn't die, and he shows Nikki that she has evil in herself, as well, before he dissolves). But at least she's momentarily conquered the evil. So she gets into Room 47, sees a big blue heavenly light, and goes and frees the Lost Girl (their kiss makes perfect sense if you consider that she's basically been playing the role of the Lost Girl's dead lover). The Lost Girl escapes, safe from the Phantom's clutches, and goes home to Smithy, which is Peter Lucas. Another clue that Laura Dern has been playing Smithy: Jeremy Irons has a voiceover about Whos playing Smithy while the camera is focused on Laura Derns face. Also, Laura Dern is pretty much the only character who occupies Smithys House for most of the film. Though Peter Lucas as Smithy is dressed like Susan Blue's husband, in this role he's not infertile, and they have a kid together (identified as Smithys Son in the credits. But after this, Grace Zabriskie, another one of the forces of supernatural good, shows up and gives Nikki a peaceful future as reward for her heroism. Then there's a big party featuring Niko (the girl with the hole in her vaginal wall), Niko's pet monkey, a guy sawing a log, Laura Herring, Natasjia Kinski, and some chick lip-synching to Nina Simone. And I think that about sums it up.

So whereas they seem to be WRONG about MR. K wearing the SAME SUIT as JACK RABBIT wears ...

they also have some other interesting ideas.




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Peter Lucas role in 47 has discovered the same thing inside the story, that Nikki Grace discovers:

the META-WORLD of Axxon N



For those not already familiar with the WORLD of META FICTION and what it involves

please go here:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0460829/board/thread/208055817?p=15&d= 217005281#217005281

So ...

Who is PETER LUCAS???

Is he SMITHY???



[b]Peter Lucas goes to see the Rabbits in Poland, searching for the Phantom. They tell him that the Phantom has fled to the Inland Empire (outside of Los Angeles). He hears the Lost Girls voice in this scene, but he cant see her. The Rabbits give him a gun to kill the Phantom, but since the Phantom has already moved on, he cant carry this out himself. He hides the gun in a drawer in Smithys House.


If LUCAS is SMITHY ...

how is a character from the 1960 WORLD of SMITHY able to ride around inside of a MODERN DAY AUDI AUTOMOBILE with JANEK???


Peter Lucass character in On High In Blue Tomorrows is the Julia Ormond character from 47. To make matters more confusing, Julia Ormond plays Justin Theroux's wife in On High In Blue Tomorrows.



JULIA plays the part of BILLY'S WIFE (not JUSTIN'S WIFE).

WHO is the WOMAN in the WHITE SHORTS who STABS DERN???

IS she the SAME WOMAN who tells THE MUSTASH MAN she can't have children???

In 47, Julia Ormond (though her face isnt shown) says, I'm not who you think I am to Peter Lucas and something like I know for a fact that I am incapable of giving you any children (at which point the chorus of prostitutes says "Who is she?"). In On High In Blue Tomorrows, Peter Lucas says almost the same thing to Susan Blue, who is cheating on him just as he was cheating on Julia Ormond in 47.


If we assume LG STABS and kills the WOMAN in WHITE in 47 with the SCREW DRIVER we see her holding on the STAIRS ...

Does the CURSE involve placing a character in a ROLE where they are able to GET REVENGE ...

when the WOMAN in the WHITE SHORTS stabs DERN (as SUE BLUE) on the WALK of FAME???

If LUCAS is killed by THE PHANTOM ...

does this mean he's also able to seek REVENGE on him by way of getting THE GUN to DERN by placing it into the DRAWER inside of SMITHY'S HOUSE?

And this would also take us back to what the other article says about DERN being in the ROLE of an AVENGING ANGEL???




Peter Lucas (in his role as Susan Blue's husband in OHIBT) is condemned to live the role of the woman he cheated on, and Julia Ormond (in her role as Justin Theroux's wife in OHIBT) is condemned to repeat her crime of jealous murder.


And we also still have NO IDEA how or WHY JULIA or the WOMAN in the WHITE SHORTS also has that SCREW DRIVER STUCK in her GUT.



So WHO IS SHE???

HOW did the SCREW DRIVER get there???

She says she's been HYPNOTISED by someone inside of a BAR.

WHICH BAR???

The one DERN enters when she climbs up the stairs and speaks to MR. K???

Does this AXXON N DOOR that DERN and LUCAS find INSIDE the STORY of this META WORLD enable the CHARACTERS in the STORY to TIME TRAVEL to other WORLDS that are OUTSIDE of the STORY???

But IF that's the case, then what is it that prevents LUCAS HIMSELF from killing THE PHANTOM with the GUN that the 3 HALF HUMAN/HALF RABBIT MEN give him in POLAND???




She has a controlling husband played by Peter Lucas, who plays a similar role to that of the Phantom in 47. Nikki has on onset affair with her costar from OHIBT, played by Justin Theroux, who is analogous to the Peter Lucas character from 47. OHIBT is cursed, though, and Nikki begins having trouble distinguishing between herself and her role. Like the actors of 47, she has discovered something inside the story.




What exactly is it that is DISCOVERED INSIDE of the AXXON N STORY???

JACK RABBIT who wears a SUIT like PIOTREK also says he has a SECRET.

WHAT is it???

The AFFAIR he's having???

Is this the reason why he keeps going IN and OUT of the FRONT DOOR ???

If so, WHO is it JACK RABBIT is seeing in the FOLK TALE???





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[–] xxpo 11 years ago


Hope some of you new posters will find this topic helpful and interesting!


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Still Another thing to NOTE in IE is PROP NUMBER 10 ...

which you'll see when NIKI turns around to look behind her when she's sitting at the REHEARSAL TABLE with DEVON inside of STAGE 4.

And below is a part of a message that explains what PROP 10 is ... and the reasons WHY it is also NOT SMITHY'S HOUSE ... which is also located all the way at the BACK part of STAGE 4 ... where we see DEVON walk to ... when he goes to check to see WHO'S THERE ... after FREDDY says:

THERE'S SOMEONE THERE ...

(which also turns out to be the other TWIN COPY of DERN who enters the AXXON N Door in the BACK ALLEY of STAGE 4) .

RE: PROP NUMBER 10:

PROP 10 is just one of the reasons why it appears the INLAND EMPIRE that is referenced isn't located OUTSIDE in places like RIVERSIDE/SAN BERNADINO/or POMONA ...

but is located INSIDE of the MOVIE LOT ...

where they've created artificial TWIN COPIES of:

SMITHY'S HOUSE

THE WALK of FAME in HOLLYWOOD

THE OLD HOTEL in the BALTIC REGION

and the SNOWY STREET in POLAND

To see the TWIN COPY of the SNOWY STREET go here:

http://italkyoubored.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/david-lynchs-inland-empi re-an-attempt-at-a-roadmap/

and scroll down about HALF WAY to PICTURE NUMBER 47 which is a PAINTING of the SNOWY STREET that sits next to a REAL PHOTO of the SNOWY STREET.

When you compare the 2 pictures closely enough you can also see the first one is a FAKE TWIN COPY that's been created (like the FAKE TWIN COPY of the WALK of FAME that we see inside of STAGE 4 after the end of DERN'S DEATH Scene). [/quote]

So looks like PROP NUMBER 10 is a TWIN COPY of the
SNOWY STREET in POLAND.


And there's also a PROP NUMBER 7 ...

which you see when Freddy tells NIKI/SUE and DEVON/BILLY about how he use to RAISE RABBITS.




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[–] xxpo 11 years ago

Has anyone else seen TOP of the LAKE???

Has anyone else been watching TRUE DETECTIVE???

The 2 shows deal with child abuse and are very much alike and they are also both similar to the way in which LYNCH tells his stories.

What's also interesting to NOTE is the way TRUE DECTECTIVE also has a DISMEMBERED

WHITE MARBLE BUST
in it

that also reminds one of the
VENUS de Milo STATUE
that one sees inside of the BLACK LODGE in TWIN PEAKS.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_de_milo

So perhaps this could also be a SHOUT OUT to that show???

What's also interesting is the way TD is also told with a POV like the one we saw in IE where we see DERN speaking to MR. K.

Only we also see the 2 FORMER DETECTIVES speaking to 2 other detectives who are now investigating the SAME CASE as the first 2 did.

And that also means it's like we've got 2 DERN'S telling 2 MR. K's the TD story instead of just ONE DERN and ONE MR. K.

So it's also like TD has increased the COMPLEXITY of the NARRATIVE POINT of VIEW that we found in IE (at least in regards to the scenes with DERN and MR. K.)






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Unfortunately The CONCLUSION of TRUE DETECTIVE turned out to be a BIG LET DOWN.

So Don't waste your time watching it if you expect to see the story Wrapped up in a successful way or in a mature or sophisticated manner.



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The ending of TD was LAZY and had NOTHING whatsoever to do with the rest of what the story was leading up to ...

by showing us SCENES where the little girls were playing with DOLLS ...

who were naked, laying on the floor, and surrounded by 5 other MALE DOLLS just like in the VIDEO they watch near the end.

So Where does his daughter get this idea from???

Why is she ON DRUGS and ACTING OUT the way she does???

NONE of this is ever addressed by the end of the story.

A MUCH BETTER WRITTEN story is TOP of the LAKE.

This is why it WINS a GOLDEN GLOBE that TD will NEVER WIN.

One story is a MASTER PIECE of story telling.

The OTHER one is PULP FICTION.



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Was the CRIME really solved at the end of TOP of the LAKE???

We still don't know who the father of the baby is or if her BOSS told her the truth about the results of the DNA test.

We also don't know for sure if Tui's father lied to her (the female detective) or not about his being her genetic father.

And we also don't know how the character that HOLLY plays knew what she knows either.

And we also don't know what happens to the rest of these women after she leaves PARADISE.

And the child molestation also still continues to take place in QUEENSLAND.

So in that sense one could also say the story is an OPEN ENDED one???





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What was also nice about TOP of the LAKE was the way the SCENERY also became a part of the STORY ...

the same way as it does in TWIN PEAKS.

Louisiana also has some interesting Scenery, but if you want to see a better use of it watch another film called SHY PEOPLE:


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093964/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_49

It also makes reference to the OIL INDUSTRY and the effects that it has on the area, but it also does so in a much more DIRECT WAY than by simply using scenes of it in a poster for the show (like the way TD does).

And SHY PEOPLE also has a GHOST in it as well who roams the SWAMP area.





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Here's what LYNCH SAYS in an interview:



David, could you talk about how this film relates to some of your other work, because there seem to be like similarities with Mulholland Drive and we actually saw some clips of Rabbits [the surreal rabbit-people sitcom Lynch filmed at his house] in this film. So is this film an extension, or how would you view it?

David: It�s different, but similarities because it deals as Mulholland Drive did with the movie, you know, industry,


Here LYNCH clearly explains how both IE and MD are STORIES that DEAL WITH THE MOVIE INDUSTRY.


In this other interview he also CLEARLY explains how viewers who see his films as being DREAMS are MISTAKEN to do so:



Do you think viewers are right in seeing your films as dreams on the screen?

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LYNCH:

No


So when one takes into consideration the fact that IE is a story that deals with the FILM INDUSTRY ...

and LYNCH says it isn't RIGHT to interpret the story as being some kind of a DREAM STATE ...

where one assumes this part is REAL or this part is NOT REAL ...

then, imo, this is what MAKES the MOST SENSE:



http://chainedtothecinematheque.blogspot.com/2007/01/notes-on-inland-empire-part-3.html

Notes on INLAND EMPIRE, Part 3

The structural complexities are immense

IE ... doubles back on itself recursively


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursion

as when Susan interrupts Nikki�s rehearsal, an interruption that happens both early and late in the chronology of IE.

and when Laura Dern�s character (Susan? Nikki? Laura?) meets the girl who�s been watching her on the television

The danger of an actor�s performance

and the process of role-playing are a narrative engine as well as a theme.

... a physical manifestation of Susan, a reality that later takes over Nikki so completely that she is no longer Nikki



... blurred lines between Past, Present, and Future. Huge sections of the film exist as flashbacks or flashforwards,

and much of the narrative confusion experienced by viewers is due to an inadequate presence of clue-giving on Lynch�s part as to when we are jumping and in which direction

one ... (is) more engaged in the process ...

Lynch pushes the boundaries of even his intense audience and creates a new kind of viewership




So the story becomes a TALE about the DANGER of an ACTOR giving a PERFORMANCE ...

one where her ROLE PLAYING becomes THE THEME ...

and she becomes a PHYSICAL MANIFESTATION of the SUE BLUE character that she portrays ...

to the POINT where NIKI COMPLETELY DISAPPEARS ...

which is also why the GHOST of LOVE ...

or the WOMAN in the WHITE shorts from POLAND ...

chases her and STABS her with the SCREW DRIVER on the WALK of FAME.

Since the other HOOKERS also can't see the WOMAN in the WHITE SHORTS,

this would most likely also be where the IMAGINATION of the ACTRESS comes into play???

And even though the SCENE where she's STABBED is suppose to be REAL ...

what DERN probably sees is IMAGINARY ...

like BETTY/DIANE seeing the IMAGINARY image of RITA inside of her place when she's NOT REALLY THERE.

So just like NIKI DISAPPAREARS in IE and becomes SUE ...

due to the DANGER of her ROLE PLAYING ...

Perhaps BETTY also DISAPPEARS in MD and becomes DIANE for the same reason???

Because BETTY also fell VICTIM to the DANGER of her ROLE PLAYING as well???

And when AUNT RUTH comes back from Canada and finds NO ONE there at her place, perhaps that's also because her niece has MORPHED into being DIANE, or into one of the characters that she portrayed in one of the MOVIE ROLES???

Like NIKI also MORPHS into becoming SUE BLUE after she portrays her role???

[b]So like this other person who wrote NOTES ...

and LYNCH himself says:

BOTH IE and MD are films about (the DANGERS of ROLE PLAYING in) the FILM INDUSTRY???









http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mise_en_abyme

the phrase has several other meanings in the realm of the creative arts and literary theory. In Western art history, "mise en abyme" is a formal technique in which an image contains a smaller copy of itself, in a sequence appearing to recur infinitely.

The film-within-a-film is an example of mise-en-ab�me. The film being made within the film refers, through its mise-en-sc�ne, to the real film being made. [b]The spectator sees film equipment, stars getting ready for the take, crew sorting out the various directorial needs. The narrative of the film within the film may directly reflect the one in the real film.[4]

In literary criticism, "mise en abyme" is a type of frame story, in which the core narrative may be used to illuminate some aspect of the framing story.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Story_within_a_story

The literary device of stories within a story dates back to a device known as a frame story, when the outer story does not have much matter, and most of the bulk of the work consists of one or more complete stories told by one or more storytellers


In Chaucer's The Canterbury Tales, for example,

The WIFE of BATH tells a tale about her 5 husbands ... and then another one about a KNIGHT who has to find out the secret of what WOMEN WANT MOST ... in order to SAVE his life.

Or in HAMLET we also have ACTORS hired by HAMLET to give a PLAY (within the play) that MIRRORS what HAMLET suspects his UNCLE did when he MURDERED his father.

In the CLUB of SILENCE xxpo also suspects this is what happens. The scene ON STAGE where the DEAD WOMAN SINGS most likely also MIRRORS the other scene where ADAM PLAYS the AUDITION TAPE where another already DEAD WOMAN sings the EVERY LITTLE STAR song.

And the reason why she's DEAD is probably also because BETTY kills her when she finds the address where she lives inside of Rita's purse while Rita's still in the shower. Because Betty's in love with RITA and wants to get rid of the competition.

So in the scene where we hear ADAM SAY:

THIS IS THE GIRL

BETTY probably also RUNS AWAY because she thinks they KNOW she's the KILLER.

And the scene in the CLUB of SILENCE where we see BETTY SHAKING in her SEAT also seems to CONFIRM this.

So just like the case where we have A PLAY within a PLAY in HAMLET ...

We also have a PLAY within a PLAY in MD ...

where the DEAD GIRL who sings on STAGE MIRRORS the other DEAD GIRL who SINGS on the PRE RECORDED TAPE.




ONE YEAR LATER and we still have THE DALLAS COWBOY CHEERLEADER or DREAMER TYPES insisting upon GOOFY ONE MIND INTERPRETATIONS of these films???






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Here's what LYNCH SAYS in an interview:



David, could you talk about how this film relates to some of your other work, because there seem to be like similarities with Mulholland Drive and we actually saw some clips of Rabbits [the surreal rabbit-people sitcom Lynch filmed at his house] in this film. So is this film an extension, or how would you view it?

David: It�s different, but similarities because it deals as Mulholland Drive did with the movie, you know, industry,


Here LYNCH clearly explains how both IE and MD are STORIES that DEAL WITH THE MOVIE INDUSTRY.


In this other interview he also CLEARLY explains how viewers who see his films as being DREAMS are MISTAKEN to do so:



[b]Do you think viewers are right in seeing your films as dreams on the screen?

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LYNCH:

No



But like the NEW NEIGHBOR SAYS:

IT isn't something you remember.


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You probably also don't REMEMBER this part either:


BOTH IE and MD are films about (the DANGERS of ROLE PLAYING in) the FILM INDUSTRY


OR THIS:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursion

as when Susan interrupts Nikki’s rehearsal, an interruption that happens both early and late in the chronology of IE.

and when Laura Dern’s character (Susan? Nikki? Laura?) meets the girl who’s been watching her on the television (which is actually also the MOVIE MONITOR)

The danger of an actor’s performance

and the process of role-playing are a narrative engine as well as a theme.

... a physical manifestation of Susan, a reality that later takes over Nikki so completely that she is no longer Nikki



... blurred lines between Past, Present, and Future. Huge sections of the film exist as flashbacks or flashforwards,

and much of the narrative confusion experienced by viewers is due to an inadequate presence of clue-giving on Lynch’s part as to when we are jumping and in which direction

one ... (is) more engaged in the process ...

Lynch pushes the boundaries of even his intense audience

and ...

creates a new kind of viewership



one where NIKI DISAPPAREARS in IE and becomes SUE ...

due to the DANGER of her ROLE PLAYING ...



So IE is all about the DANGER of ACTING ...

and it also
CREATES a NEW KIND of VIEWSHIP
...

at least for those who don't fall for the DALLAS DREAM interpretation or for the RIDICULOUS ONE MIND INTERPRETATION ...

which also NEGATES EVERYTHING that LYNCH has done in this film.






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I prefer the San Antonio dream, myself. Have you ever been on the Riverwalk at night? Truly spectacular.

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Been to San Antonio at least 3 times, but never been to the RIVER WALK. Since we also get SAN ANTONIO channels in this area ... like KLRN which is also a PBS station ... also see the RIVERWALK all the time on that channel ... due to the way they also keep showing it between breaks in the shows they air.

Anyhow ...

also just had another idea ...

about how the SCENE where we see DERN sitting in the CHAIR in the LIVING ROOM of SMITHY'S HOUSE could also be like the other SCENE at the END of MESHES of the AFTERNOON.

And if you LOOK VERY CLOSELY you'll also see DERN sitting there as it MORPHS from being DAYTIME to NIGHTIME, which also seems to indicate she's DEAD.

And my theory is also she's DEAD from a SPIDER BITE ...

which is also what we see on her NECK ...

under the BANDAID ...

because in MTTH the first thing you see is the TRASH CAN ...

the OLD METAL KIND people use to use back in the 60's before we had PLASTIC ones.

And when she's doing the dishes you also hear her DROP a glass in the sink and BREAK IT ...

and we HEAR her SAYING OUCH ...

but we also DON'T SEE this ...

due to the way LYNCH CUTS away and only lets us HEAR what's happening.

So she probably gets BITTEN by one of those BLACK WINDOW SPIDERS that she tells MR. K about ... when she describes how she sleeps on the BACK PORCH ... and finds several nests of them in the WALLS with the CLIPS that she puts up in WINTER TIME.

SO ...

DERN sitting there in the CHAIR in Smithy's living room may also be like MAYA sitting there in the CHAIR in MESHES of the AFTERNOON.



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When we see the DARK BROWN colored AXXON N DOOR on the WALK of FAME with the WHITE CHALK Writing ...

which looks just like the OTHER AXXON N DOOR that we see BEHIND STAGE 4 in the BACK ALLEY ...

WHERE are we when we see it???

Are we in the BACK ALLEY again ???

Or is there also another FAKE TWIN COPY of the AXXON N DOOR inside of STAGE 4 ...

like the other FAKE TWIN COPY of the WALK of FAME ...

the one that we find has been created inside of STAGE 4 after the end of DERN'S DEATH SCENE when the CAMERA PULLS BACK???

So is there a FAKE TWIN COPY created of the AXXON N DOOR inside of STAGE 4 ...

the same way as they also created a FAKE TWIN COPY of SMITHY'S HOUSE inside of STAGE 4 ...

and the same way as they also created the FAKE TWIN COPY of the WALK of FAME??

So is the other BROWN COLORED AXXON N DOOR that we see on the STREET in LA also an ILLUSION??

OR is it a REAL DOOR?


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is there a FAKE TWIN COPY created of the AXXON N DOOR inside of STAGE 4 ...

the same way as they also created a FAKE TWIN COPY of SMITHY'S HOUSE inside of STAGE 4 ...

and the same way as they also created the FAKE TWIN COPY of the WALK of FAME??

So is the other BROWN COLORED AXXON N DOOR that we see on the STREET in LA also an ILLUSION??

OR is it a REAL DOOR?




Perhaps what we see is an ILLUSION???

Some MOVIE MAGIC as the NEW NEIGHBOR describes it ...

where the film is EDITED ...

so that it looks like we see another AXXON N DOOR on the WALK of FAME ...

but what we're really seeing is the same AXXON N door that we saw before in the BACK ALLEY of STAGE 4???



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This AXXON N DOOR issue still remains a MYSTERY.

Because AFTER the end of her DEATH SCENE ...

how can she have seen that other AXXON N DOOR on the WALK of FAME ...

when we also see how there's a FAKE TWIN COPY of the WALK of FAME inside of STAGE 4???

But the FIRST AXXON N DOOR that she enters was also located OUTSIDE of STAGE 4 in the BACK ALLEY of it.

So did they also create a FAKE TWIN COPY of the AXXON N DOOR as well inside of STAGE 4???

And WHY is there also another AXXON N DOOR located on the WALK of FAME????

Could that also be how LANI and LORI suddenly got from the WALK of FAME in LA over to the SNOWY STREET in POLAND???



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This AXXON N DOOR issue still remains a MYSTERY.

Because AFTER the end of her DEATH SCENE ...

how can she have seen that other AXXON N DOOR on the WALK of FAME ...

when we also see how there's a FAKE TWIN COPY of the WALK of FAME inside of STAGE 4???

But the FIRST AXXON N DOOR that she enters was also located OUTSIDE of STAGE 4 in the BACK ALLEY of it.

So did they also create a FAKE TWIN COPY of the AXXON N DOOR as well inside of STAGE 4???

And WHY is there also another AXXON N DOOR located on the WALK of FAME????

Could that also be how LANI and LORI suddenly got from the WALK of FAME in LA over to the SNOWY STREET in POLAND???


LP suggests the DOOR to HOTEL ROOM or to ROOM 205 is an AXXON N DOOR.

And I AGREE.

Because KAROLINA EXITS from not just ONE DOOR but from 2 DOORS.

And we also see the BIG MIRROR as she EXITS the room which causes her REFLECTION (like the NEW NEIGHBOR also explains is a part of what happens in the STORY).

Then she also ENTERS the FAKE TWIN COPY of SMITHY'S HOUSE through the BACK WAY (also like the NN says happens in the AXXON N TALE).

And we also know it's the FAKE COPY because we also don't see the BACK YARD where they had the HOT DOG PARTY.

ROOM 47 also seems to be still another AXXON N DOOR as well due to the way we see JACK RABBIT standing there inside of the PALACE with the PINK WALLS after he EXITS from it.

And there also seems to be one inside of SMITHY'S HOUSE as well.

So that's at least 5 AXXON N DOORS.

ROOM 205

ROOM 47

SMITHY'S HOUSE

BACK ALLEY of STAGE 4

DOOR on the WALK of FAME


And it's all of these MANY AXXON N DOORS ...

which used by MANY different characters ...

also PROVES how we have MANY Different MINDS who have used them.


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This AXXON N DOOR issue still remains a MYSTERY.

Because AFTER the end of her DEATH SCENE ...

how can she have seen that other AXXON N DOOR on the WALK of FAME ...

when we also see how there's a FAKE TWIN COPY of the WALK of FAME inside of STAGE 4???

But the FIRST AXXON N DOOR that she enters was also located OUTSIDE of STAGE 4 in the BACK ALLEY of it.

So did they also create a FAKE TWIN COPY of the AXXON N DOOR as well inside of STAGE 4???

And WHY is there also another AXXON N DOOR located on the WALK of FAME????

Could that also be how LANI and LORI suddenly got from the WALK of FAME in LA over to the SNOWY STREET in POLAND???


LP suggests the DOOR to HOTEL ROOM or to ROOM 205 is an AXXON N DOOR.

And I AGREE.

Because KAROLINA EXITS from not just ONE DOOR but from 2 DOORS.

And we also see the BIG MIRROR as she EXITS the room which causes her REFLECTION (like the NEW NEIGHBOR also explains is a part of what happens in the STORY).

Then she also ENTERS the FAKE TWIN COPY of SMITHY'S HOUSE through the BACK WAY (also like the NN says happens in the AXXON N TALE).

And we also know it's the FAKE COPY because we also don't see the BACK YARD where they had the HOT DOG PARTY.

ROOM 47 also seems to be still another AXXON N DOOR as well due to the way we see JACK RABBIT standing there inside of the PALACE with the PINK WALLS after he EXITS from it.

And there also seems to be one inside of SMITHY'S HOUSE as well.

So that's at least 5 AXXON N DOORS.

ROOM 205

ROOM 47

SMITHY'S HOUSE

BACK ALLEY of STAGE 4

DOOR on the WALK of FAME


And it's all of these MANY AXXON N DOORS ...

which used by MANY different characters ...

also PROVES how we have MANY Different MINDS who have used them.


Still another interesting thing to NOTE is the way DERN seems to ENTER into THE PALACE SETTING the SAME WAY as JACK RABBIT enters the other PALACE SETTING with the PINK WALLS.

So when DERN comes from the BACK ROOM or from the BALL ROOM ...

and she passes by the 3 WINDOWS that look more like MIRRORS ...

that also give one the IMPRESSION she's MORPHING from her RABBIT FORM into her HUMAN FORM ...

just like it also looks like THE NEW NEIGHBOR is MORPHING from her RABBIT FORM into her HUMAN FORM ...

where it looks like she's HOPPING in fast motion to the FRONT DOOR of the PALACE.

So we also seem to begin the story with 3 RABBITS MORPHING into HUMAN FORM, and then we also see JACK MORPHING back into his RABBIT FORM again.

And we also see DERN end up inside of the RABBIT ROOM by WALKING BACKWARDS into it.

So that also seems to indicate THE PALACE where Niki lives would also have an AXXON N DOOR as well ...

thus also giving us a TOTAL of at least 6 AXXON N DOORS in IE.



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LP suggests the DOOR to HOTEL ROOM or to ROOM 205 is an AXXON N DOOR.

And I AGREE.

Because KAROLINA EXITS from not just ONE DOOR but from 2 DOORS.

And we also see the BIG MIRROR as she EXITS the room which causes her REFLECTION (like the NEW NEIGHBOR also explains is a part of what happens in the STORY).

Then she also ENTERS the FAKE TWIN COPY of SMITHY'S HOUSE through the BACK WAY (also like the NN says happens in the AXXON N TALE).

And we also know it's the FAKE COPY because we also don't see the BACK YARD where they had the HOT DOG PARTY.

ROOM 47 also seems to be still another AXXON N DOOR as well due to the way we see JACK RABBIT standing there inside of the PALACE with the PINK WALLS after he EXITS from it.

And there also seems to be one inside of SMITHY'S HOUSE as well.

So that's at least 5 AXXON N DOORS.

<blockquote>ROOM 205

ROOM 47

SMITHY'S HOUSE

BACK ALLEY of STAGE 4

DOOR on the WALK of FAME


And it's all of these MANY AXXON N DOORS ...

used by MANY different characters ...

which also PROVES how we have MANY Different MINDS who have used them. </blockquote>

Still another interesting thing to NOTE is the way DERN seems to ENTER into THE PALACE SETTING the SAME WAY as JACK RABBIT enters the other PALACE SETTING with the PINK WALLS.

So when DERN comes from the BACK ROOM or from the BALL ROOM ...

and she passes by the 3 WINDOWS that look more like MIRRORS ...

that also give one the IMPRESSION she's MORPHING from her RABBIT FORM into her HUMAN FORM ...

just like it also looks like THE NEW NEIGHBOR is MORPHING from her RABBIT FORM into her HUMAN FORM ...

where it looks like she's HOPPING in fast motion to the FRONT DOOR of the PALACE.

So we also seem to begin the story with 3 RABBITS MORPHING into HUMAN FORM, and then we also see JACK MORPHING back into his RABBIT FORM again.

And we also see DERN end up inside of the RABBIT ROOM by WALKING BACKWARDS into it.

So that also seems to indicate THE PALACE where Niki lives would also have an AXXON N DOOR as well ...

thus also giving us a TOTAL of at least 6 AXXON N DOORS in IE.


The other thing to NOTE is how the EVIL TWIN COPY is created by the USE of the AXXON N DOOR (which the NEW NEIGHBOR also explains when she says EVIL is BORN).

And it also appears that THE PHANTOM is another character like BOB from TP who GETS INSIDE of whoever uses the AXXON N DOOR.

Here's a DESCRIPTION of BOB from the TP WIKI link:

He is a spirit in Twin Peaks who feeds on human pain and suffering and is considered evil.

BOB can appear in numerous manifestations through the hosts he possesses.

He seeks to possess a single human host

to be able to commit acts of rape and murder in order to feast upon the fear and suffering of his victims.

He also holds owls as hosts in Twin Peaks that he can use. The spirit of the Giant warns Special Agent Dale Cooper about this, by saying

"<blockquote>the owls are not what they seem
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So this also appears to be the reason why we hear THE PHANTOM telling JANEK he wants TO GET INSIDE.

JANEK
You are looking for something?

THE PHANTOM
Yes…

JANEK
You are looking to go in?

THE PHANTOM
Yes.

JANEK
An opening?

THE PHANTOM
I look for an opening. Do you understand?

JANEK
Yes, I understand.

THE PHANTOM
Do you understand I look for an opening?

JANEK
Yes. I understand completely.

THE PHANTOM
Good. Good that you understand. That’s good! You understand!



What he means is GET INSIDE of these other characters.

And this is probably also the reason why we HEAR LUCAS say:

HE'S NOT WHO SHE THINKS HE IS

in the SCENE where we see him BRUTALLY BEATING DERN.

And it's probably also THE PHANTOM that we see who keeps making that EVIL CLOWN GRIN at DERN on the WALK of FAME and in other places in IE.

And it also explains the reason why we see the CLOWN GRIN AGAIN after DERN SHOOTS HIM with the GUN LUCAS gets from the 3 RABBIT MEN.


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And it's all of these MANY AXXON N DOORS ...

used by MANY different characters ...

which also PROVES how we have MANY Different MINDS who have used them.


Still another interesting thing to NOTE is the way DERN seems to ENTER into THE PALACE SETTING the SAME WAY as JACK RABBIT enters the other PALACE SETTING with the PINK WALLS.

So when DERN comes from the BACK ROOM or from the BALL ROOM ...

and she passes by the 3 WINDOWS that look more like MIRRORS ...

that also give one the IMPRESSION she's MORPHING from her RABBIT FORM into her HUMAN FORM ...

just like it also looks like THE NEW NEIGHBOR is MORPHING from her RABBIT FORM into her HUMAN FORM ...

where it looks like she's HOPPING in fast motion to the FRONT DOOR of the PALACE.

So we also seem to begin the story with 3 RABBITS MORPHING into HUMAN FORM, and then we also see JACK MORPHING back into his RABBIT FORM again.

And we also see DERN end up inside of the RABBIT ROOM by WALKING BACKWARDS into it.

So that also seems to indicate THE PALACE where Niki lives would also have an AXXON N DOOR as well ...

thus also giving us a TOTAL of at least 6 AXXON N DOORS in IE.


The other thing to NOTE is how the EVIL TWIN COPY is created by the USE of the AXXON N DOOR (which the NEW NEIGHBOR also explains when she says EVIL is BORN).

And it also appears that THE PHANTOM is another character like BOB from TP who GETS INSIDE of whoever uses the AXXON N DOOR.

Here's a DESCRIPTION of BOB from the TP WIKI link:

He is a spirit in Twin Peaks who feeds on human pain and suffering and is considered evil.

BOB can appear in numerous manifestations through the hosts he possesses.

He seeks to possess a single human host

to be able to commit acts of rape and murder in order to feast upon the fear and suffering of his victims.

He also holds owls as hosts in Twin Peaks that he can use. The spirit of the Giant warns Special Agent Dale Cooper about this, by saying

"<blockquote>the owls are not what they seem
" >

So this also appears to be the reason why we hear THE PHANTOM telling JANEK he wants TO GET INSIDE.

JANEK
You are looking for something?

THE PHANTOM
Yes…

JANEK
<b> You are looking to go in?


THE PHANTOM
Yes.

JANEK
An opening?

THE PHANTOM
I look for an opening. Do you understand?

JANEK
Yes, I understand.

THE PHANTOM
Do you understand I look for an opening?

JANEK
Yes. I understand completely.

THE PHANTOM
Good. Good that you understand. That’s good! You understand!


What he means is GET INSIDE of these other characters.

And this is probably also the reason why we HEAR LUCAS say:

HE'S NOT WHO SHE THINKS HE IS

in the SCENE where we see him BRUTALLY BEATING DERN.

And it's probably also THE PHANTOM that we see who keeps making that EVIL CLOWN GRIN at DERN on the WALK of FAME and in other places in IE.

And it also explains the reason why we see the CLOWN GRIN AGAIN after DERN SHOOTS HIM with the GUN LUCAS gets from the 3 RABBIT MEN. </blockquote>

So THE PHANTOM seems to have GOTTEN inside of LUCAS the same way as he GETS INSIDE of DERN.

And one of the DERN'S who visits MR. K also seems to be THE PHANTOM and NOT DERN.

Because we also have 2 DIFFERENT DERN's who speak to him ...

which is also MADE EVIDENT to us by the way they tell him 2 DIFFERENT things ...

with one of them saying she's MARRIED ...

and the other one saying she's SHACKING UP.

Another poster named BERNY also pointed this out to us before, about how there are 2 DERN's on the WoF and one of them also seems to be the one who calls MR. K:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0460829/board/flat/203903999?p=1

STILL ANOTHER thing TO KEEP in MIND is how BERNY ... who also pointed out how the WINDOW shows the SNOWY STREET in POLAND ... also thinks ONE COPY of DERN may have CALLED MR. K on his phone while he has the OTHER TWIN COPY sitting there INSIDE of his ROOM.

AND that may also be the REASON why this other COPY of DERN LEAVES before MR. K finished his PHONE CALL???

Because we also see ONE COPY of DERN who keeps trying to make a PHONE CALL while the other hooker is using it???


And when MR. K is on the phone and says he's around here that's for sure ...

and DERN GETS UP and LEAVES ...

this is probably also because that's the OTHER DERN that the PHANTOM has GOTTEN INSIDE OF who also knows MR. K knows who he is.

So after the end of her DEATH SCENE ...

when the other DERN shows up in the MOVIE theater ...

Mr. K also shows her the scene where she GETS the GUN from the DRAWER ...

which then enables DERN to find it and use it to SHOOT the OTHER EVIL TWIN COPY of herself and END the CURSE ...

the CURSE which also seems to be having the EVIL TWIN created when you use the AXXON N DOOR.


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So THE PHANTOM seems to have GOTTEN inside of LUCAS the same way as he GETS INSIDE of DERN.

And one of the DERN'S who visits MR. K also seems to be THE PHANTOM and NOT DERN.

Because we also have 2 DIFFERENT DERN's who speak to him ...

which is also MADE EVIDENT to us by the way they tell him 2 DIFFERENT things ...

with one of them saying she's MARRIED ...

and the other one saying she's SHACKING UP.


Another poster named BERNY also pointed this out to us before, about how there are 2 DERN's on the WoF and one of them also seems to be the one who calls MR. K:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0460829/board/flat/203903999?p=1



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STILL ANOTHER thing TO KEEP in MIND is how BERNY ... who also pointed out how the WINDOW shows the SNOWY STREET in POLAND ... also thinks ONE COPY of DERN may have CALLED MR. K on his phone while he has the OTHER TWIN COPY sitting there INSIDE of his ROOM.

AND that may also be the REASON why this other COPY of DERN LEAVES before MR. K finished his PHONE CALL???

Because we also see ONE COPY of DERN who keeps trying to make a PHONE CALL while the other hooker is using it???

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And when MR. K is on the phone and says he's around here that's for sure ...

and DERN GETS UP and LEAVES ...

this is probably also because that's the OTHER DERN that the PHANTOM has GOTTEN INSIDE OF who also knows MR. K knows who he is.

So after the end of her DEATH SCENE ...

when the other DERN shows up in the MOVIE theater ...

Mr. K also shows her the scene where she GETS the GUN from the DRAWER ...

which then enables DERN to find it and use it to SHOOT the OTHER EVIL TWIN COPY of herself and END the CURSE ...

the CURSE which also seems to be having the EVIL TWIN created when you use the AXXON N DOOR.



So the question is IF DERN KILLS the EVIL TWIN COPY of herself ...

did LUCAS also KILL the other EVIL TWIN COPY of himself???

Did one MUSTASH MAN also kill the other EVIL TWIN COPY of himself???


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and DERN GETS UP and LEAVES ...

this is probably also because that's the OTHER DERN that the PHANTOM has GOTTEN INSIDE OF who also knows MR. K knows who he is.

So after the end of her DEATH SCENE ...

when the other DERN shows up in the MOVIE theater ...

Mr. K also shows her the scene where she GETS the GUN from the DRAWER ...

which then enables DERN to find it and use it to SHOOT the OTHER EVIL TWIN COPY of herself and END the CURSE ...

the CURSE which also seems to be having the EVIL TWIN created when you use the AXXON N DOOR.



So the question is IF DERN KILLS the EVIL TWIN COPY of herself ...

did LUCAS also KILL the other EVIL TWIN COPY of himself???

Did one MUSTASH MAN also kill the other EVIL TWIN COPY of himself???


Since we see the PHANTOM selling HIS WATCH

(the one with the GREEN TINT on the FACE of it) to KAROLINA in MTTH,

and we later also see THE OTHER VISITOR has it on her arm and also wears a SOCK to protect herself from it,

(the same way as THE PHANTOM used the other piece of CLOTH to protect himself from it)

and then we also see DERN with it as she BURNS the HOLE in the SILK and it RUNS BACKWARDS in TIME ...

apparently LUCAS wasn't able to defeat the PHANTOM.

But JANEK, LUCAS, THE 3 RABBIT MEN, and MR. K all seem to be doing things that help DERN defeat him (Lucas puts the GUN in the DRAWER and MR. K also shows her the FILM which let's her know where to find it before he also shows her the way up the stairs to where she finds THE PHANTOM).

So apparently THE CURSE is also broken once she defeats him???

Or maybe not???

Because TP: FWWM also ends with the CURSE about to begin all over again when BOB takes possession of AGENT COOPER ... who looks into the BATHROOM MIRROR to find BOB looking back at him again ... and then COOP also keeps saying:

HOW's ANNIE ... HOW'S ANNIE ... HOW'S ANNIE

GO HERE to see a clip of it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rjJ51N7qZY

Scene where Leland/BOB BEATS MADDY (LAURA'S look a like COUSIN) to DEATH here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWaFqB56Ykw

So if BOB can't be defeated then maybe THE PHANTOM can't be either???

And maybe THE CURSE is also about to begin all over again because KAROLINA has been IMPREGNATED by the PREDATORY WOLF MAN inside of the FAKE TWIN COPY of the HOTEL ROOM???

And once LUCAS finds out about it, then he'll also claim he can't father children, and then ABANDON her???

So maybe THE CURSE that was a part of the MOVIE SCRIPT has also found a WAY to GET OUTSIDE of it and into the REAL LIVES of the actors who played ROLES in it???

It will definitely be interesting to see if what happens in TWIN PEAKS 2016 has any kind of CLUES that can help us to better figure out what's going on in IE.

Because there definitely seems to be a connection between BOB and THE PHANTOM who also seems like

he can appear in numerous manifestations through the hosts he possesses.


And he also seems to take POSSESSION of DORIS SIDE in the scene where we see her SLAPPING DERN so that

he can feed on human pain and suffering that we see taking place in that scene.


And we also hear the BEAT UP LOOKING DERN talking about

lots of RAPE and MURDER stories.





So THE PHANTOM in IE also seems to MATCH the DESCRIPTION Wiki gives us of BOB in TP pretty well:

He is a spirit in Twin Peaks who

feeds on human pain and suffering and is considered evil.

BOB can appear in numerous manifestations through the hosts he possesses.

He seeks to possess a single human host

to be able to commit acts of rape and murder

in order to feast upon the fear and suffering of his victims.




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Here LYNCH clearly explains how both IE and MD are STORIES that DEAL WITH THE MOVIE INDUSTRY.


Yes indeed. However Lynch does NOT state that both movies are exclusively about the movie industry. There is more in both films than just the industry.

Do you think viewers are right in seeing your films as dreams on the screen?
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LYNCH:
No


Lynch sees dreams as an alternate reality. So his films do not depict dreams in the classical sense in that he himself regards them as components of our reality. So the dream in MD as the classical interpretation states isn´t to be interpreted in the classical sense, but rather as the REAL inner workings of a mind or better as the alter reality of this persons experience. Indeed LH and IE are definitely not dreams, only in MD there is the suggestion we are dealing with a dream in the classical sense, although the occurences in this dream are much more focussed and streamlined than any dream would be. Since Lynch sees dreams as just as real as the outer reality we experience we shouldn´t be surprised by this statement.

http://chainedtothecinematheque.blogspot.com/2007/01/notes-on-inland-empire-part-3.html


I can see where you get your inspiration from. Just like that other link to `I Talk You Bored` you have mentioned several times. To each his own perspective I should say. I have read stuff from these sites and well…it´s not my cup of tea. I appreciate the effort that has been put into these sites, but they realy have to come up with good arguments and reasoning to convince me. What I find rather amusing is that different people can see wildly different things in IE. When the premise of one´s view already differs from the other it´s hard to come to terms on just about any point.

The danger of an actor�s performance


This emphasis on actors loosing themselves in character is pretty ironic for it is Niki herself that is conflating reality with roleplaying. So in a sense critics who emphasize this are getting lost just as Niki is and it seems they keep gettng stuck there. The irony is of course that Niki snaps out of it, while these critics don´t. Look I view getting lost in character also as a theme, but only as a setup to a larger theme that being Dern by getting through these `roles` becoming her true self again.

So the story becomes a TALE about the DANGER of an ACTOR giving a PERFORMANCE ...

one where her ROLE PLAYING becomes THE THEME ...
and she becomes a PHYSICAL MANIFESTATION of the SUE BLUE character that she portrays ...

to the POINT where NIKI COMPLETELY DISAPPEARS ...

which is also why the GHOST of LOVE ...

or the WOMAN in the WHITE shorts from POLAND ...

chases her and STABS her with the SCREW DRIVER on the WALK of FAME.


Can´t make head or tails out of this one. What you are saying is this:

BECAUSE the actor (Dern) becomes a physical manifestation of the Sue Blue character that she portrays, the Woman in the White Shorts chases her and stabs her with the screw driver.

Now I ask you: where´s the logic in that?

And the reason why she's DEAD is probably also because BETTY kills her when she finds the address where she lives inside of Rita's purse while Rita's still in the shower. Because Betty's in love with RITA and wants to get rid of the competition.


The blonde Camilla Rhodes is dead? Killed by Betty no less? You deduce this from the scene where we see the blonde Camilla kissing the brunette Camilla at the party? There´s absolutely no indication whatsoever that this Camilla Rhodes singing `Every little star` is dead let alone killed by Betty. None.

BETTY probably also RUNS AWAY because she thinks they KNOW she's the KILLER.

And the scene in the CLUB of SILENCE where we see BETTY SHAKING in her SEAT also seems to CONFIRM this.


I´m not contesting that the expressions on the faces of Betty and Adam during this scene can be interpreted in different ways. It’s possible that two people can read different things from these faces and have sound arguments for them. I DO however find it very hard to believe that Betty runs away because she thinks they know she’s the killer. So the killer of Camilla Rhodes who we see joyfully singing? Moreover how can Betty possibly read from the expression on Adam’s face that “they” know she’s the killer? More importantly: HOW do THEY know she’s the killer and of whom? All very confusing indeed. Finally: it is not Betty who is on these pictures when they say: “This is the girl.” Since on these pictures we see the name Camilla Rhodes printed and the anouncement of the singer of “Every little star” calls that girl Camilla Rhodes. So the phrase “This is the girl” clearly refers to Camilla Rhodes.

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ROOM 47 also seems to be still another AXXON N DOOR as well due to the way we see JACK RABBIT standing there inside of the PALACE with the PINK WALLS after he EXITS from it.


You seem to be under the impression that there are many AXXON N doors since you believe characters cannot go from one place to another without it.

Okay. So when Jack Rabbit disappears from the Rabbit Room and ends up in Mr. K’s office he also has used an AXXON N door even though he has used no door at all?

When Lani and Lori show Dern the street in Poland they have not used a door at all. How did they get there?

When Sue goes into the room in Smithy’s house where the girls are they ask Sue: “Who the hell are you?” So if they don’t know her, how did they get into her house and why?

Where did the girls go after the “Locomotion” song with no door in sight?


Still another interesting thing to NOTE is the way DERN seems to ENTER into THE PALACE SETTING the SAME WAY as JACK RABBIT enters the other PALACE SETTING with the PINK WALLS.


In what way does it resemble each other? We see Jack Rabbit stepping out of the Rabbit Room and the next scene we see him opening the door into the palace setting. We see Dern walking by 3 windows in the house and ending up in the hall. I’m curious to what similarities you see in this.


So we also seem to begin the story with 3 RABBITS MORPHING into HUMAN FORM, and then we also see JACK MORPHING back into his RABBIT FORM again.


You can see what you like of course, but I find it hardly confincing. Seeing the NN hopping? Interpreting Dern walking past the windows suggests she’s morphing into her Rabbit form? You are talking about 3 rabbits morphing into human form, but I only count two you mention. Also Jack morphing BACK into his Rabbit form AGAIN? Have we ever seen him in human form? Realy quite astonishing.



And we also see DERN end up inside of the RABBIT ROOM by WALKING BACKWARDS into it.

So that also seems to indicate THE PALACE where Niki lives would also have an AXXON N DOOR as well ...


I seem to fail to notice the logic in this. You are saying:

The fact that we see Dern end up inside of the Rabbit Room by walking backwards SEEMS TO INDICATE the palace where Niki lives would also have an AXXON N door.

I’m sorry but you’ll have to explain that sentence to me. Perhaps you just made an error that could be, but surely you must see the illogicallity of this?


Because we also have 2 DIFFERENT DERN's who speak to him ...

which is also MADE EVIDENT to us by the way they tell him 2 DIFFERENT things ...

with one of them saying she's MARRIED ...

and the other one saying she's SHACKING UP.


It’s not only made evident through the content of the stories Dern tells Mr. K but also through Derns attitude and WAY of telling as well. The first Dern we see with Mr. K is foul mouthed and talks with a southern accent. The last Dern we see is calmer and does NOT talk with an accent. Her stories are way more personal like she mentions loosing her son. Clearly there are two Derns at work here. Notice also that this last Dern is the one who has gone through the AXXON N door, while the other foul mouthed did not! We did not SEE this last Dern going through such a door, but the double metal door we see when Dern and that eastern looking lady are standing in the hall does suggest that Dern is IN an AXXON N area.

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[–] Erniesam 10 years ago

Another poster named BERNY also pointed this out to us before, about how there are 2 DERN's on the WoF and one of them also seems to be the one who calls MR. K:

And when MR. K is on the phone and says he's around here that's for sure ...

and DERN GETS UP and LEAVES ...

this is probably also because that's the OTHER DERN that the PHANTOM has GOTTEN INSIDE OF who also knows MR. K knows who he is.


Problem with this interpretation is that we never see 2 copies of Dern at the same time and place for long. I guess we see them no longer than 30 seconds together after which the other disappears or we never see the other again. So suggesting that there could be 2 copies of Dern while the other phones Mr. K is highly unlikely; it is not backed up by what we see happening in IE. Furthermore, the first Dern that sees Mr. K is foul mouthed, while the other Dern, the one that runs away from K’s office is the more gentle one (although she does indeed BECOME the foul mouthed one on the WoF). Are we to assume that while The Phantom is inside of Dern he becomes more gentle when going through an AXXON N area? And finally Dern does leave after she has heard him saying that Crimp is around here that’s for sure. Clearly she is afraid of Crimp and that’s why she leaves.


So the question is IF DERN KILLS the EVIL TWIN COPY of herself ...

did LUCAS also KILL the other EVIL TWIN COPY of himself???

Did one MUSTASH MAN also kill the other EVIL TWIN COPY of himself???


Well, since we never SEE evil twin copies of Lucas or the Mustash Man I say that you are getting quite ahead of yourself with these questions. We ONLY see copies of Dern and we ONLY see Dern going through the AXXON N door. You may see what you wish, but I’d like to keep it with what we actually see in IE.


But JANEK, LUCAS, THE 3 RABBIT MEN, and MR. K all seem to be doing things that help DERN defeat him (Lucas puts the GUN in the DRAWER and MR. K also shows her the FILM which let's her know where to find it before he also shows her the way up the stairs to where she finds THE PHANTOM).

So apparently THE CURSE is also broken once she defeats him???


Yes, a very good deduction indeed! It seems that all 4 characters you mentioned have indeed helped Dern to get there and give her the means to defeat The Phantom. The only thing is of course that Dern must USE this help and these tools. I find this a very astute observation of you. This is indeed what I see too. And we only see it happening to Dern and to no one else indicating these characters do what they do specifically for Dern! And yes, the curse HAS been broken after she defeats The Phantom: because of this Dern is able to free Karolina from Room 205 despite the fact that she isn’t aware of the fact that she is there. She starts exploring as if some intuition is guiding her and ends up in Room 205. Due to The Phantom being defeated Dern is now able to get to Karolina. After this, after Karolina passes the mirror in the hall and enters Smithy’s house through the backway the curse has been lifted, just like the New Neighbor said it would be. And so we end up with a somewhat bewildered but certainly a happy Dern in the final scene.


Because there definitely seems to be a connection between BOB and THE PHANTOM who also seems like


That is your interpretation. Problem is that when you take this as a premise for further argumentation you end up with a house of cards. It would be an interesting premise if you could show us some solid argumentation as the basis for it. You suggest that The Phantom gets into characters who have gone through the AXXON N door. Now this suggestion also is based on your own interpretation that there have to be more AXXON Doors since many characters seem to go from one place to another. So this contention that The Phantom gets inside of people is based on the assumption that there are more AXXON N doors and this in turn is based on the assumption that many characters go from one place and period to another. You do see how this doesn’t make your case any stronger do you?

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The SCENES where KAROLINA is BEATEN is very SIMILIAR to the other one where DERN is BEATEN.

THE PHANTON could be INSIDE of both characters same way as we see BOB INSIDE of LELAND PALMER as he BEATS MADDY to death in TP.

GO HERE:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=10&v=PIt4UMNGu2Q


since we never SEE evil twin copies of Lucas or the Mustash Man I say that you are getting quite ahead of yourself with these questions.


THE SCENE where LUCAS BEATS DERN is probably the EVIL TWIN COPY that is POSSESSED by THE PHANTOM.

The other LUCAS at the HOT DOG PARTY with the RED STAIN on his WHITE T SHIRT

(which also FORESHADOWS the [b]RED STAIN we later see on DERN'S SHIRT during her DEATH SCENE)

is probably also the EVIL TWIN COPY of LUCAS that gets created when he uses the AXXON N DOOR inside of SMITHY'S HOUSE.

COUNTING DOWN from the TOP at the I TALK YOU BORED LINK ...

at PHOTO NUMBER 87

you also see THE MOVING PICTURE of LUCAS in the GREEN COAT as he SNEEKS in the AXXON N DOOR.

And the WEIRD look on his FACE at the HOT DOG PARTY also has the same EVIL type of a GRIN on it. It's much more SUBTLE than the other BIG GRIN that we see on the EVIL TWIN COPY of DERN, but it's still there.

NOTE the way the LOOK on THE FACE of LUCAS is even more CREEPY than the LOOK on LELAND'S FACE, and how the 3 BEATINGS that we see ( MADDY/DERN/KAROLINA) are also all very similar. </b>

The I talk you bored link also has scenes of DERN and KAROLINA being BEATEN side by side.

[b]https://italkyoubored.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/david-lynchs-inland-empire-an-attempt-at-a-roadmap/</b>;

There´s absolutely no indication whatsoever that this Camilla Rhodes singing `Every little star` is dead let alone killed by Betty. None.



It looks like MD (like IE) is a FILM within a FILM from START to FINISH not a DREAM.

And it also looks like BETTY puts on a BIG ACT when she PRETENDS to be so INNOCENT, but during the AUDITION SCENE we also discover this is NOT an INNOCENT Girl at all.

And that's also the reason why one suspects that while RITA'S still in the shower BETTY goes through her PURSE, discovers the MONEY in it, finds her WALLET with her name and her address on it, and then goes there, finds RITA'S LOVER (the girl who sings the EVERY LITTLE STAR SONG), and then KILLS her so she can have RITA to herself.

Then when BETTY visits the place with RITA who sees the CORPSE, RITA'S MEMORY of WHO SHE IS also comes FLOODING back to her again.

And that's also confirmed by the way she REPEATS EXACTLY what the MAGIC MAN in the CLUB says, and we also have EVIDENCE RITA worked there, due to the way we see the back of the HEAD of the other MAN sitting there in the CLUB who talks on the phone about how THE GIRL is MISSING (meaning RITA who was in the ACCIDENT on MD).

So RITA probably worked at the CLUB where she does the same thing we see them doing AT ADAM'S AUDITION.

And the LOVER we see singing is also ALREADY DEAD (like the girl who sings the CRYING SONG ON STAGE at the CLUB).

And what we see is a TAPE of her singing, because ADAM also says:

PLAYBACK

meaning PLAY BACK THE TAPE RECORDING.

And we also NEVER see RITA'S LOVER ENTER or standing OUTSIDE of the CONTROL BOOTH (like we see the other SINGERS STANDING OUTSIDE of it).

So that's why BETTY SHAKES in her SEAT at the CLUB, because she also KNOWS RITA KNOWS

SHE'S THE GIRL

the one who KILLED the other girl.

And that's also the reason why BETTY RUNS AWAY from the AUDITION

Because she thinks they mean SHE'S THE GIRL who killed the other girl when she hears them saying this.

Thus the reason why BETTY also isn't AS INNOCENT as she PRETENDS to be, and why she's probably also PUTTING on a BIG ACT when she meets IRENE and her other friend and RITA.

And this also helps to explain the reason why RITA treats BETTY/Diane the way she does in PART 2 of MD.

She treats her like CRAP because she knows she KILLED her LOVER.

And when BETTY/DIANE sees the LOVER at the CAST PARTY or the WRAP UP PARTY, that's also another ILLUSION like when she sees RITA in the KITCHEN and on the COUCH in the living room when she's NOT REALLY there.

So IRENE and her friend would also be other people that she PRETENDS to be INNOCENT with like the way she PRETENDS to be INNOCENT with RITA.

And one also suspects that they KNEW it was all just AN ACT that she was putting on for them???

Because the LIMO also seems to suggest they may also have connections of some kind to the FILM INDUSTRY???

Or if they don't have connections to the FILM INDUSTRY, then maybe they have them to THE MOB ... who also attacks ADAM ... because he attacks the other LIMO with his GOLF CLUB ... and because he's not willing to do what's he's told to do ... after the MOB BOSS buys the rights to the FILM that he's making???

So maybe IRENE and her pal also have MOB LINKS or they may also be the one's who BOUGHT the rights to the FILM Adam's making due to the way it also looks like the EVERY LITTLE STAR girl is dropped off by a LIMO at Rita's place???

So maybe they were also HER PARENTS or RELATIVES who wanted HER to have the LEAD ROLE for that reason???

So maybe IRENE was also the GRANDMOTHER of the DEAD GIRL???

Which would also explain the reason why BETTY/D imagines seeing them crawling under her door and chasing her???


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My bet is that when we solve the mystery of the toilet paper we will have IE pinned down.

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The unfolding mystery of the unfolding toilet paper.

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MORE NOTES:

where DANNY from the GUARDIAN and TY from BOSTON GLOBE sum up things quite nicely for us:


http://www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2007/mar/09/whatisdavidlynchsinlandem

the movie's skeletal set-up,

wherein a vanilla-wholesome actress (played by Laura Dern) is cast in and then begins

shooting a remake of an unfinished Polish melodrama,

one apparently stricken by some kind of gypsy curse.

Lynch even entered the debate himself with a series of "clues" released to the press

("Notice appearances of the red lampshade")


The theories are legion

For the Boston Globe's Ty Burr, the film should be understood as

a treatise on (to paraphrase its own tagline) all "women in trouble".


to Slant's Ed Gonzalez that it was clearly about

"the ecstasy and healing power of watching movies",

while for others the cursed production framing the rest of the movie constituted

a poisoned valentine to old Hollywood and/or the modern film industry.


a jolt of pure cinema
full of revelations


it might best be read as a fractured ghost story:

Inland Empire is, very genuinely, about whatever you come away thinking it's about



http://www.boston.com/ae/movies/articles/2006/12/08/lynch_pushes_further_than_ever_into_surreal_territory/

It consists of three hours of exhausting nonlinear nightmare

held together by Laura Dern's staggering performance

as four (or five) different women

Lynch has said it's about "a woman in trouble," which

is like saying "Jaws" is about a fish

it turns out the production is cursed

, and that the lead actors in an aborted earlier version were murdered.

Nikki seemingly morphs into Sue and a host of other women

wandering down roaring hallways and ill-advisedly

opening doors onto more and more and more personas:


a lost soul in a motel

room full of Devon's cast-off girlfriends;


This isn't about "a woman in trouble" so much as

women in trouble: a Rorschach blot for an entire gender.

have I mentioned the weeping Polish prostitute watching Nikki's story on TV? No? How about the apartment full of humanoid rabbits? Or Julia Ormond as a woman with a screwdriver sticking out of her stomach?

Inland Empire" isn't interested in coherence.

There's no symbolism, and you'll drive yourself crazy if you go looking for it.



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So like this other person who wrote NOTES ...

and LYNCH himself says:

BOTH IE and MD are films about (the DANGERS of ROLE PLAYING in) the FILM INDUSTRY???


After the end of her DEATH SCENE when KINGSLEY congratulates her on how well she's done her performance,

and she also doesn't acknowledge him when he calls her NIKI several times,

and she also refuses the WHITE ROBE of NIKI and accepts the BLUE ROBE of SUE BLUE,

it's pretty obvious she's either still LOST in the character of the ROLE she's played,

or else the character SUE BLUE has literally taken possession of NIKI'S BODY like BOB does, when he takes possession of LELAND PALMER and AGENT COOPER in TP.

So which is it???

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After the end of her DEATH SCENE when KINGSLEY congratulates her on how well she's done her performance,

and she also doesn't acknowledge him when he calls her NIKI several times,

and she also refuses the WHITE ROBE of NIKI and accepts the BLUE ROBE of SUE BLUE,

it's pretty obvious she's either still LOST in the character of the ROLE she's played,

or else the character SUE BLUE has literally taken possession of NIKI'S BODY like BOB does, when he takes possession of LELAND PALMER and AGENT COOPER in TP.

So which is it???

Any thoughts???


Perhaps something will happen in S3 of TWIN PEAKS that will also CLUE us into the reasons why LYNCH also used the SAME RED CURTAINS and WAVY ZIG ZAGGY FLOOR PATTERN in IE that he used in TP???




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it's pretty obvious she's either still LOST in the character of the ROLE she's played,

or else the character SUE BLUE has literally taken possession of NIKI'S BODY like BOB does, when he takes possession of LELAND PALMER and AGENT COOPER in TP.

So which is it???

Any thoughts???



Whatever happens, since we also see DERN hugging KAROLINA inside of ROOM 205 before she DISAPPEARS into thin air, apparently she's also NOT an EVIL ENTITY like BOB.

And most likely the REASON WHY she disappears into THIN AIR is because it's AFTER MIDNIGHT ...

the time when the MAGIC WEARS OFF ...

and the COACH turns back into the
PUMPKIN
AGAIN ...

and CINDERELLA's BALL GOWN turns back into RAGS again ...

which also seems to indicate PRINCESS NIKI has turned back into her CINDERELLA SELF AGAIN???

And that also explains the reason why we see her sitting there inside of ROOM 47 or the RABBIT ROOM at the end of IE.

Because the AXXON N TALE is also a story that's based upon a FOLK or FAIRY TALE where things MORPH back into their TRUE FORM again AFTER MIDNIGHT.


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it's pretty obvious she's either still LOST in the character of the ROLE she's played,

or else the character SUE BLUE has literally taken possession of NIKI'S BODY like BOB does, when he takes possession of LELAND PALMER and AGENT COOPER in TP.

So which is it???

Any thoughts???


Perhaps this LINK provides a CLUE to what DERN'S CHARACTER is going through in IE:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0T7z4rDg6k


At the 48 TIME MARK you hear BOWIE say this:


THE DOPPLEGANGER and myself were starting to become one and the same person

~David BOWIE



So perhaps DERN's character is also going through the same thing as BOWIE did when he portrays the part of ZIGGY STARDUST???

And when BOWIE MORPHS back into being himself again ...

and stops being ZIGGY ...

because the DESIRE to PLAY that part had WORN OFF ...

it's also as if THE CLOCK had STRUCK MIDNIGHT ...

and the MAGIC of the FAIRY GODMOTHER had also WORN OFF for him as well???





Whatever happens, since we also see DERN hugging KAROLINA inside of ROOM 205 before she DISAPPEARS into thin air, apparently she's also NOT an EVIL ENTITY like BOB.

And most likely the REASON WHY she disappears into THIN AIR is because it's AFTER MIDNIGHT ...

the time when the MAGIC WEARS OFF ...

and the COACH turns back into the
PUMPKIN
AGAIN ...

and CINDERELLA's BALL GOWN turns back into RAGS again ...

which also seems to indicate PRINCESS NIKI has turned back into her CINDERELLA SELF AGAIN???

And that also explains the reason why we see her sitting there inside of ROOM 47 or the RABBIT ROOM at the end of IE.

Because the AXXON N TALE is also a story that's based upon a FOLK or FAIRY TALE where things MORPH back into their TRUE FORM again AFTER MIDNIGHT.



R.I.P DAVID JONES
aka DAVID BOWIE
aka ZIGGY STARDUST
AKA: AGENT Phillip JEFFRIES (from TWIN PEAKS)

(1947 - 2016)



There's a STAR MAN waiting in the SKY

He'd like to come and meet us

But he thinks he'd blow our minds ...


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it's pretty obvious she's either still LOST in the character of the ROLE she's played,

or else the character SUE BLUE has literally taken possession of NIKI'S BODY like BOB does, when he takes possession of LELAND PALMER and AGENT COOPER in TP.

So which is it???

Any thoughts???


Perhaps this LINK provides a CLUE to what DERN'S CHARACTER is going through in IE:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0T7z4rDg6k


At the 48 TIME MARK you hear BOWIE say this:


THE DOPPLEGANGER and myself were starting to become one and the same person

~David BOWIE



So perhaps DERN's character is also going through the same thing as BOWIE did when he portrays the part of ZIGGY STARDUST???

And when BOWIE MORPHS back into being himself again ...

and stops being ZIGGY ...

because the DESIRE to PLAY that part had WORN OFF ...

it's also as if THE CLOCK had STRUCK MIDNIGHT ...

and the MAGIC of the FAIRY GODMOTHER had also WORN OFF for him as well???





Whatever happens, since we also see DERN hugging KAROLINA inside of ROOM 205 before she DISAPPEARS into thin air, apparently she's also NOT an EVIL ENTITY like BOB.

And most likely the REASON WHY she disappears into THIN AIR is because it's AFTER MIDNIGHT ...

the time when the MAGIC WEARS OFF ...

and the COACH turns back into the <blockquote>PUMPKIN
AGAIN ...

and CINDERELLA's BALL GOWN turns back into RAGS again ...

which also seems to indicate PRINCESS NIKI has turned back into her CINDERELLA SELF AGAIN???

And that also explains the reason why we see her sitting there inside of ROOM 47 or the RABBIT ROOM at the end of IE.

Because the AXXON N TALE is also a story that's based upon a FOLK or FAIRY TALE where things MORPH back into their TRUE FORM again AFTER MIDNIGHT.

</blockquote>

R.I.P DAVID JONES
aka DAVID BOWIE
aka ZIGGY STARDUST
AKA: AGENT Phillip JEFFRIES (from TWIN PEAKS)

(1947 - 2016)



There's a STAR MAN waiting in the SKY

He'd like to come and meet us

But he thinks he'd blow our minds ...
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Here's still another BOWIE SONG that also seems to apply to what we see HAPPENING in IE:

she walks through her sunken dream
To the seats with the clearest view
And she's hooked to the silver screen
But the film is sadd'ning bore
For she's lived it ten times or more
She could spit in the eyes of fools
As they ask her to focus on
Sailors
Fighting in the dance hall
Oh man!
Look at those cavemen go
It's the freakiest show
Take a look at the lawman
Beating up the wrong guy
Oh man!
Wonder if he'll ever know
He's in the best selling show


To my mother, my dog, and clowns
But the film is a sadd'ning bore
'Cause I wrote it ten times or more
It's about to be writ again
As I ask you to focus on
Sailors
Fighting in the dance hall
Oh man!
Look at those cavemen go
It's the freakiest show
Take a look at the lawman
Beating up the wrong guy
Oh man!
Wonder if he'll ever know
He's in the best selling show


The FIGHTING in the DANCE HALL part also reminds one of the OTHER FIGHT SCENE where THE PHANTOM DISAPPEARS when everyone else gets taken to JAIL.


There was this guy they had working there. He’d start talking. You know, real regular. Talking up the crowd. They’d start listening. Pushing in closer. He did some sort of thing on people. They all called him “the Phantom”. He got into a barroom fight one night. All the bar was arrested. A lot of them *beep* circus clowns. So when they take them all down to the station? Guess what? The Phantom’s done gone and disappeared.[/b] This is the kind of *beep* I’m talking about.




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PRINCESS NIKI has turned back into her CINDERELLA SELF AGAIN???

And that also explains the reason why we see her sitting there inside of ROOM 47 or the RABBIT ROOM at the end of IE.

Because the AXXON N TALE is also a story that's based upon a FOLK or FAIRY TALE where things MORPH back into their TRUE FORM again AFTER MIDNIGHT.



What's also interesting to NOTE is how much the HALLWAY of where ROOM 47 is located (the RABBIT ROOM) also looks very much like THE HALLWAY inside of SMITHY'S HOUSE.

Same layout where one door is straight ahead with the other door (the one with 47 on it)is over to the RIGHT HAND SIDE.

Still another thing to NOTE is when DERN walks up the HALLWAY and STAIRWAY leading up to the ROOM of MR. K, it also looks like the one that we see KAROLINA walking up in the 47 FILM VERSION of the story (when she also has a SCREW DRIVER in her hand before we hear the SCREAM).

And we also see the SNOWY STREET of POLAND sitting there in the WINDOW of that HALLWAY or STAIRWAY DERN climbs up to see MR. K.

And we also know the CLUB she enters before she takes the STAIRWAY is also located in LA.


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PRINCESS NIKI has turned back into her CINDERELLA SELF AGAIN???

And that also explains the reason why we see her sitting there inside of ROOM 47 or the RABBIT ROOM at the end of IE.

Because the AXXON N TALE is also a story that's based upon a FOLK or FAIRY TALE where things MORPH back into their TRUE FORM again AFTER MIDNIGHT.





What's also interesting to NOTE is how much the HALLWAY of where ROOM 47 is located (the RABBIT ROOM) also looks very much like THE HALLWAY inside of SMITHY'S HOUSE.

Same layout where one door is straight ahead with the other door (the one with 47 on it)is over to the RIGHT HAND SIDE.

Still another thing to NOTE is when DERN walks up the HALLWAY and STAIRWAY leading up to the ROOM of MR. K, it also looks like the one that we see KAROLINA walking up in the 47 FILM VERSION of the story (when she also has a SCREW DRIVER in her hand before we hear the SCREAM).

And we also see the SNOWY STREET of POLAND sitting there in the WINDOW of that HALLWAY or STAIRWAY DERN climbs up to see MR. K.

And we also know the CLUB she enters before she takes the STAIRWAY is also located in LA.



So even though KINGSLEY CLEARLY SPELLS IT 0UT for us that HIS FILM is a REMAKE of the other FILM called 47 ...

and that THE 47 FILM is also based upon the POLISH GYPSY FOLK TALE ...

which is probably also called AXXON N ...

because that's also what we hear the NARRATOR telling us it's called when IE BEGINS ...

and we hear the CRACKLING SOUND of the RECORD that's playing ...

as we're also told AXXON N is the LONGEST RUNNING RADIO PLAY in HISTORY ...

for some reason we still get other POSTERS MAKING UP STUFF and suggesting that the STORY HAPPENS INSIDE of the MIND of a character that we NEVER EVEN SEE.

Or else they suggest what we see is some kind of FANTASY that comes from the MIND of a character.

When all one needs to do is PAY ATTENTION to what we SEE and HEAR and to what the CHARACTERS themselves tell us,

so that we don't become as LOST and as CONFUSED as these other posters are about what's happening in IE.



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PRINCESS NIKI has turned back into her CINDERELLA SELF AGAIN???

And that also explains the reason why we see her sitting there inside of ROOM 47 or the RABBIT ROOM at the end of IE.

Because the AXXON N TALE is also a story that's based upon a FOLK or FAIRY TALE where things MORPH back into their TRUE FORM again AFTER MIDNIGHT.


It won't be much longer now say the RABBITS ...

JUST 3 MORE HOURS until you get to the END of the FILM where you see TIME REWIND itself and DERN WALKING BACKWARDS into the RABBIT ROOM after she SHOOTS the PHANTOM.



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