by sstair (Mon Apr 13 2009 15:53:02) Ignore this User | Report Abuse I'm referring to this scene:
Borat: [indicates women beside him] In my country, they would go crazy for these two. [points to minister's wife] Borat: This one... not so much...
I've never been accused of having a temper, but that scene made me angry. To say that to someone as a joke...unforgivable.
I thought the whole movie was really insulting. To pretend to be someone of another country, and then just flagrantly insult people, bait them, and pretend you don't know any different was too much to take.
I had to turn it off after a few minutes. I tried several times to watch it, but kept finding it very foul on all levels.
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The Scene: Borat eats with a Southern dining society Where: The dinner took place at the Magnolia Springs Manor in Helena, Ala. The Southern plantation home was built in 1875 and currently functions as an event hall.
Among many transgressions that night, Borat insults the wife of Mountain Brook Presbyterian Church pastor Cary Speaker; after remarking on how popular two of the women would be in Kazakhstan, Borat gestures at Speaker’s wife and says, “not so much.” Oh, he also brings a bag of his own excrement to the table after using the bathroom, mistakes a retired fellow diner for being retarded, and invites a “prostitute” over for company.
What happened: The Birmingham News reports that Borat’s dining companions weren’t that upset with how they appeared in the film. “All things considered, we got out of this pretty clean,” said the retired Mike Jared.
Speaker, who abruptly left the party after the alleged prostitute arrived, says his attitude is “Hey, he fooled us; it’s funny. Watching this, I’m sure it’s funny [to some people]. It was just not funny that night.”
He adds that his two college-age sons found his appearance “hysterical.”
Regarding what Cary Speaker said, I'm glad he has the common sense and the sense of humor to react that way. When I first saw "Borat," I thought that his family and friends in particular came off very well -- as opposed to the rodeo guy or the frat boys. Put in a very weird, super-awkward situation, their reactions were measured and controlled. To me, it was the mark of grounded people who don't take themselves too seriously.
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I have meddled with the primal forces of nature and I will atone.
Too few people are pointing out that, besides the fact that it was SBC playing Borat, not SBC himself, the principals ignorance only lasted until the movie came out. Once it did, they were -- if they had any intelligence whatsoever -- fully cognizant of the fact that SBC was just playing the role of a crude, thoughtless foreigner who insulted people to their face. They should -- if they had any intelligence whatsoever -- therefore conclude that he wasn't being cruel to them, he was simply acting and any insult should be taken in that context.
And, yes, they were perfectly aware they were being filmed. Not only because of the hard-to-miss cameras, but because, as you'll notice, they were all seated on one side or at the far ends. Da Vinci's Last Supper notwithstanding, that's just not normal for a dinner party except in the movies.
Very true. I think anyone who was "insulted" in the movie who thought about it, would realize Borat was a character in a movie. Borat wasn't "real" so there is no reason to take anything he said seriously.
Plus, how cruel would people have found it if Borat just said, "In my country they'd go crazy for these two," and left it at that? He would still basically be saying that the one woman was not as beautiful as the other two, to Borat and his fellow countrymen, but the insult would just be left unsaid.