I read many posts on this board that kept calling the guy a closet homosexual. And all the posts tried to show how they had an insight into homosexuality or something. Closet homosexual means a person who is secretly a homosexual. Someone who carries out homosexual activities in secret. This guy said that he WISHED he loved men as he got along better with them than women. How is that closet homosexuality? He was not ashamed. He wanted to be attracted to men because it would make things easier for him but he just WASN"t attracted to them. It was the huge irony in his life. He was attracted to women but didn't get along with them and he got along with him but wasn't attracted to them.
He wasn't gay at all if you ask me. I could see how someone might think he was given he blabbered on about it and had a bit of that stereotypical 'gay man' type voice, but I really don't think he was. I think he wished he was because he was the attention seeking type (putting it lightly) and it would help his cause lol.
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Firstly it's a movie that delves into the psyche of a man and to understand him his sexual orientation does matter. Secondly have both of you actually read what i wrote or just looked at the topic name and replied?
Yeah I'm gonna be honest I didn't bother reading what you said, I figured you'd say something about the whole 'Was he gay or was he not - discuss'. Grizzly Man is the study of Timothy Treadwell, yeah, he was quite interesting and all, though I don't feel his orientation had really anything to do with much. To me he moved in and out of a childlike state while viewing bears as simply a nicer form of humans. In ways he was histrionic, in other ways, bipolar, its hard to try and 'classify' him as something, and in that way he was an interesting and unusual individual. Sexual orientation doesn't really factor into it all I think.
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His repressed homosexuality was just one of the reasons this man was so crazy. His hate for society and extreme insecurity are clearly products of him feeling he needed to hide his sexual orientation.
If he'd spent time with more "bears", rather than bears he might still be alive today.
Actually it seemed that he was close with many women, but had no real guy friends. Which is another symptom of his repressed homosexuality. He wasn't a closet homosexual, which as you say is a secret homosexual. He was a repressed homosexual which means that he was terrified of facing his own homosexuality or bisexuality, probably because of something that happened in that frightening house full of teddy bears.
When he talks on and on about how he wishes that he could be gay, I think a psychologist would read that very differently than you would. He was so desperate to establish his heterosexuality, it showed a repressed libido. Certainly his actions in general showed a repressed and redirected libido.
Did I not love him, Cooch? MY OWN FLESH I DIDN'T LOVE BETTER!!! But he had to say 'Nooooooooo'
The *beep* are you talking about? Repressed homosexuality? He was completely open about the topic of it, how daft are you? Did you not see the 'I wish I was gay but I'm not' monologue. Psychologists are also not responsible with determining sexual orientation, they deal with treating mental illness that does not revolve around this. His lack of male friends was probably due to the fact that most males around him considered him 'retarded' (though he did know the beach dude one), whereas with women I guess he extracted a little more sympathy. We only really saw the bits Herzog put into it, no doubt he left some other interviews out of the film.
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There's no question he was a gay man in denial, and the five-minute long "I'm not gay" tirade really seals the deal. Plus of course, there's no ignoring his obvious homosexual mannerisms, voice intonation, and choice of words.
Tim had virtually no male friends, and all his girlfriends were just that -- girl friends. Notice the way his "ex" talks about Amie. All the relationships were platonic, and they were all just good friends.
Unable to cope with his repressed homosexuality, Tim looked for acceptance in the animal world amongst foxes and bears.. and everyone knows that "fox" and "bear" are slang terms in the gay community. So yeah, he was 110% gay, but in the end it really doesn't matter.
It does kind of matter...From all the footage shown, his repressed homosexuality seems to be the most obvious reason for him being such a nut, and ultimately, being a nutcase is what got him eaten by a bear..
If he managed to survive a little longer, he would have gone completely sideways and probably have started dressing up like a bear and trying to mate with them
For me, it was a sad, disturbing film about a guy going insane
It's certainly possible that he struggled with homosexuality, but at this point it's conjecture. I think it says more about the prejudices of the person viewing the film, if they think just because Treadwell had some effeminate mannerisms that made him gay.
This topic is INSANE. Treadwell was NOT gay!! He LOVED girls!
Even actor Warren Queeny said Treadwell talked more about girls than bears when he was back home! Maybe he should've gotten a job around girls instead of bears.
I know (of) a lot of effeminate men who aren't gay. I think there are just lots of people in the world who you just don't think of as a man or a woman; you just see them as people, and gender becomes totally irrelevant. I think Treadwell was just a very sensitive person and it was reflected in his very soft voice. I can understand how he's straight.
This topic is INSANE. Treadwell was NOT gay!! He LOVED girls!
Even actor Warren Queeny said Treadwell talked more about girls than bears when he was back home! Maybe he should've gotten a job around girls instead of bears.
Then he'd still be alive!
Sounds like a front. Most straight guys I know don't spend all their spare time talking about girls - at least not to make a point of it. And the ones that do aren't effeminate like Timothy.
Also, it's not an issue of prejudice. The majority of effeminate-acting males are also gay. Did you not notice? It's not a causation, but you'd have to be pushing some sort of agenda to ignore the correlation. It's very possible that he was gay.
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A straight man would not carry on and deny to the degree as Treadwell did or even say they wished they were one because he got along so well with them than women. lol Men who get along with other men call each other friend(with no sex involved), they don't have to be homosexuals. lol Just shows how twisted Treadwell was. A twisted sister in the truest sense.
Keep in mind you're looking at the minutes that the director found interesting. I doubt that Timothy was ranting about his love for women throughout the videos.
Amy: I swear to God...I swear to God! That is NOT how you treat your human!
The first time Timothy appeared on screen I knew he had socially developed to have gay tendencies and to be feminine.
I also knew he didn't belong in the wilderness and had no ability to smoothly blend in with nature as other naturalists have done in the wilderness.
A straight man would not carry on and deny to the degree as Treadwell did or even say they wished they were one because he got along so well with them than women. lol Men who get along with other men call each other friend(with no sex involved),
No straight man would make an idiotic comment about wishing they were gay. He didn't say he got along better with men as the OP suggested. Timothy merely implied gay men can have sex easier because they just go into restrooms at truck stops, etc. IT was a very inane and dumb statement. It showed he is out of touch in almost every way, whether about girls or men.
Straight men can have wonderfully close fraternal relationships with other men. They don't need to sexualize it and be gay in order to have these bonds.
The fact that he is poorly socialized and cannot vibe with women, by his own admission, is another telltale sign that he identifies as gay within his psyche.
At least he did attempt to embrace straight sexuality, the sexuality nature intended. HOwever, he had already been so warped in his development that it wasn't convincing. And that's why he had trouble with women staying with him. He needed therapy really bad.
Too bad a woman had to perish with him. In his defense, he did tell her to run away; it's her fault that she didn't heed her fears and intuitions.
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I agree completely with synthiarose. I'm not a troll, or trying to start *beep* It just appears highly probable that Timothy was a repressed homosexual. It has absolutely nothing with him being sensitive, or his effeminate mannerisms and speaking intonation. It has more to do with him flat out saying things that normal straight men would never say. His "I'm not gay" speech, which is being told like a story to the camera, is more than enough proof that he's gay. It's way too peculiar. I've never known a guy to talk about women all the time, and if I did know one, I'd probably come under the suspicion that the person is gay, just like Tim. Just because you say you like women doesn't mean you're straight. It's so much more complicated than that.
At least he did attempt to embrace straight sexuality, the sexuality nature intended.
This is an unbelievably misinformed statement. Same-sex sexuality is well-documented in hundreds of species. A simple Google search yields countless examples.
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That proves nothing. There are countless things in nature that are actually unnatural. Google it. Also, show me two mammals of the same sex that can reproduce on their own naturally. Then get back to me.
LOL, that's the most extreme version of the No True Scotsman fallacy I have ever heard. Intriguing. At least you are somewhat creative in your trolling.
LOL, that's the most extreme version of the No True Scotsman fallacy I have ever heard. Intriguing. At least you are somewhat creative in your trolling
Ah, the classic (and overused into oblivion) troll accusation when they know they're wrong. How cute.
Properly speaking, homosexuality does not exist among animals.... For reasons of survival, the reproductive instinct among animals is always directed towards an individual of the opposite sex. Therefore, an animal can never be homosexual as such. Nevertheless, the interaction of other instincts (particularly dominance) can result in behavior that appears to be homosexual. Such behavior cannot be equated with an animal homosexuality. All it means is that animal sexual behavior encompasses aspects beyond that of reproduction. (Dr. Antonio Pardo, Professor of Bioethics at the University of Navarre, Spain)
There are animals that bond in same-sex pairs for life and also animals that are apparently hard-wired to prefer same-sex pairings. Reference Simon LeVay's 1991 study of sheep and brain structures.
It is an interesting academic question but ultimately moot IMO. Human sexuality is what it is, and "natural" as applied to human behavior is about as subjective as it gets. If we were to use animal behavior as our baseline then we would all be screwed anyway (no pun intended).
A 1996 article published by the National Association for Research of Homosexuality, musters the arguments against interpretation of animal behavior as sanctioning homosexuality.
It notes that scientist Simon LeVay stated that the evidence pointed to isolated acts, not to homosexuality:
"Although homosexual behavior is very common in the animal world, it seems to be very uncommon that individual animals have a long-lasting predisposition to engage in such behavior to the exclusion of heterosexual activities. Thus, a homosexual orientation, if one can speak of such thing in animals, seems to be a rarity."