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THE ONE ULTIMATE PLOT HOLE

posted 17 years ago by kyle287-1
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ive watched this film multiple times, thoroughly enjoyed every aspect of it ... theres just one thing that stands out to me though.
How did Bruce Willis know that the boss would hire him to extract revenge for the death of his son. We know that Hartnett killed his son, and successfully made the boss think it was the rabbi, and again successfully made the boss want to get revenge by killing the rabbi's son. And the movie tells us that the boss wanted 'someone from out of town' to do it ... at which point Willis says 'then all there was to do was to wait for the call' BUT how did Willis know he would be the one asked to do the job. Surely there are more world class assassins that the boss could have hired. Anyone agree/disagree? It just seemed to me like they were lucky the boss decided to hire Goodkat otherwise the whole plot they planned would not have been possible. Ya know ?

"My name is Goodkat. You can call me Mr. Goodkat"

[–] BennoBlue 16 years ago

Kyle287-1 sez:
> theres just one thing that stands out to me though.
> How did Bruce Willis know that the boss would hire him
> to extract revenge for the death of his son.

Seems simple enough: Goodkat had worked with The Boss before, and knew how The Boss thinks... if he didn't think it would work, he would have chosen another plan. Or, of course, if the first plan didn't succeed, he'd just come up with a new plan 'til he found one that did succeed. There's nothing to say that this *was* the first plan, just the plan that worked -- we don't know what all Goodkat has been up to for the past 20 years, so maybe there's been a previous attempt or three.

This doesn't seem like a plot hole. A plot hole is something that happens that's unexplained, not something where there was a chance that it could've gone differently. If we assume that Goodkat knew to set things up in a way that his reputation with The Boss would make him the professional that The Boss would think of, that's reasonable enough. Just because someone else *could* have been picked is like saying that in any bank heist, a cop *could* have been in a place to witness the robbery, which would have messed up the whole thing. That's just not the way things went down.

[–] Phil4387 16 years ago

There is no plot hole.

He's a world class assassin *beep* how do you think he knew.

[–] Kevin_90 16 years ago

This is not a plot hole... Morgan Freeman wanted to hire the best. And it is assumed that goodkat is the best at what he does.

[–] eleanazz 16 years ago

I was thinking about it too but i just finished watching the film once more and it does make sense the whole thing. I was thinking: why do they even need to get into this whole situation of finding names and placing Slevin at the role of Nick Nisher if they could just go in there, kill the bodyguards, and then kill the Boss and the Rabi. but the thing is that neither Goodkat nor Slevin had ever been in their 'homes' and it wasnt easy getting to them so they needed Slevin and Goodkat to be able to have 'meetings' with them, so as to check out security, how were the buildings, how many guards etc.

And also coz he wanted to kill the Rabii's son, well because he wanted to kill everybody and take away from them everything that really mattered to them. Before he killed them. Just like they did to his dad.

The biggest, if I could call it,plot hole that I think it was useless was the watch. Why did he swap it with the one on the body of the real Nick Fisher? the watch was his dads, it only mattered to Slevin, the police wouldn't have identify him from that (in case he wanted to play dead with them).the only who would have noticed it was Lindsay and think Slevin was dead. Which still has no significance to the main story (she had nothing to do with the murder and such).

[–] Stenzer21 15 years ago

Yeah what the hell was up with that? Looks like it was designed just to manipulate the feelings of the audience for another 20 mins for the 'shock' ending.

And btw there's no plothole, Goodkat's just a specialist at killing young boys.

[–] jt-hix2112 15 years ago

All the plot twists are so much more farfetched than the plot hole you suggest. Yeah, it is a bit of a hole, but if you've excepted the crazy plan that Slevin and Goodkat come up with that would probably never happen in real life, you should be able to just accept a minor plot problem like this.

In reality, world class assassins wouldn't come up with this huge scheme where so many things could go wrong to kill two men, they would just kill them. But since it's a stylized movie, we suspend our disbelief and are entertained.

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[–] doctorcrimedog 14 years ago

That is not a "plot hole," a term people seem to use for any part of a plot they take issue with. They didn't KNOW Goodkat would be called, but they took a gamble and it paid off. People do, in fact, take gambles that pay off. If it hadn't, they'd have concocted a different scheme and tried again. Saying that the scientist who first created Terminators got all of his ideas from studying the Terminator from the original film-in other words, NOBODY ever actually developed the technology in question-is a plot hole. It's information that comes from nowhere. Here, some people just get lucky, much like the title suggests.

-There is no such word as "alot."

[–] bainf 13 years ago

In an an prequal movie (lucky number six) that went straight to DVD because it was lame
When they hire the guy that does the job nobody wants, they ring Goodkat but he didn't answer because he was busy training slevin. So they go to another one of their many REAL hitmen who will do it $20 worth of drugs they have used over the past 20 years. But he doesn't do a very good job so they call Goodkat again and we end up with a sequel at teh movies and an above average movie

Sorry good topic to create and in capitals even but not a HOLE maybe just a bit soft underfoot

[–] zachimania 13 years ago

Goodkat (Willis) hasn't been in the city since he was supposed to shoot the kid. They knew he was ruthless and a great killer. When rumors start floating around that he's finally back at the perfect time, wouldn't you hire him?

[–] MixerBOS 13 years ago

Well to put it simply the boss could bring someone else but than all that they have planed wouldn't work so they would have to plan something else. Than we would watch a different movie. We don't know how many jobs did he do for him and how much he used him before but they obviously tout that there is a good probability that he will call him.

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[–] fresh_prince_of_birchwoo 11 years ago

Why are there surely more world class assassins the boss could have hired.

As far as I am concerned the movie makes out that Goodkat is THE best. The story also insinuates that he has worked New York before, meaning both The Boss and The Rabbi would know him..

"He shows, people die, he vanishes.

No one knows who he is or what he looks like.

And he hasn't worked New York in what, two decades?"

[–] pauldada 11 years ago

Weird thread, guys. You all fell into a gigantic gaping abyss, beyond any mere plot hole. The Boss doesn't hire Goodkat for the hit on the Fairy, he forces Slevin to take it on: a young guy he's never seen before, who shows up in a bath towel and bedroom slippers and a busted nose, who talks too much and (apparently) has no clue about even protecting himself, much less killing anyone else, just because he's supposedly got a $96,000 gambling debt that the Boss will then forgive.

What crime boss would tap an unlucky schmuck of a gambler to do anything for him, much less something sensitive? After all, gamblers are the lowest of the low in the world of vice: guys who put themselves under the thumb of wise guys
because they can't take it in that the odds are against them--they'd rather live in debt (and fear) in order to sustain the fantasy that they can get a pile of money without working for it. Ol' Morgan Freeman radiates wisdom; that's why they're always casting him as God in the movies. Would a character he portrays pick a Slevin to do his dirty work, just because he doesn't have to pay him cash out of his pocket? Totally nuts.

For that matter, wouldn't this son-for-a-son business have been headed off by the Rabbi sending a heartfelt note of condolence across the street saying he didn't have anything to do with the Boss's son's death, and offering his assistance
in tracking down the killer? Isn't that what any mannerly neighbor would do? Especially a gangster whose self-interest is in avoiding a gang war? And in the meanwhile wouldn't he get his own child stashed behind a whole lot of mattresses for safekeeping until things were peaceably resolved?

WIth such unlikelihoods piling up in all directions, what's the point in speculating what 'world class assassins' would do? World class assassins, should such even exist, don't go in for vengeance. They take the money, take the shot, and go back to Costa Rica till next time. They probably aren't charming, witty, or debonair, at least while they're on the job. As far as
'professional' roles go, they have to be as unlike our literary fantasies of them as anything could be: I bet in person they're no fun at all. Credit Ian Fleming, that evil genius, for the confected appeal, and have a good time at the movies.

[–] ChazzJazz 11 years ago

that was Goodkat's plan....The Boss just follows what "his confidant" is telling him which is the actual plothole.

Who trusts a hitman for hire with that close confidence?

Not even Jet Li's Hero, with the chinese Emperor would allow anyone near unless they demonstrate total loyalty....

and we dont see Goodkat being totally loyal to either side...

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