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I hope this Helps Americans...



Although being born in Paris, I don't consider myself to be French, but it still annoys me whenever it seems ok in American films and TV for what can only be described as institutionalized racism, we see in the film, that the French people are starving and unsatisfied because the French king's support of the American revolutionaries costing him mucho monies.

So, really, America wouldn't exist if it weren't for France, why they the hate i ask???

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Unfortunately xenophobic reactions to all-things French was ingrained in the collective American mindset as far back as the seventeenth century. This in large part had to do with religious conflict (Roman Catholic versus Protestant) and the overall history of Anglo-French relations going back to the Middle Ages. I honestly don't know where the superiority complex comes from though; if I hear one more person talk about the United States have saved France twice one more time.......this is in reference to both World Wars. For the record, the French are entirely grateful to American aid during the Second World War. When it comes to the First, however, it's a different story.

Although many try to belittle French aid to the Americans during the War of Independence, saying it was just petty revenge against Britain to get them back for losing the Seven Years' War in 1763 is ridiculous. I respond to this stupid logic with the fact that all countries have their own agendas and political goals at stake. It's interesting because, despite the huge importance of French aid (I'm not just talking about the money, troops, supplies, etc., but also the fact that because France officially joined the thirteen united colonies against Britain, this sent a message to other European nations such as Spain and the Low Countries which then joined as well), the American diplomats in Europe were pretty treacherous in their dealings with France. Part of the treaty between the two nations signed in 1778 affirmed that neither would engage in any sort of peace with Britain or her allies without the others knowledge. Yes, France had some goals in the conflict as well, such as reacquiring lost overseas territories. American officials had clandestine meetings with British diplomats, and although the comte de Vergennes, one of Louis XVI's leading ministers during this time, was aware of the fact, it was pretty duplicitous.

This argument that French assistance was based on calculating political goals is also unfair to Louis XVI, who in large part lost control of the kingdom due to the spiraling debt that ensued from his decision to send money, troops, and supplies. This unfortunate monarch often gets written off as stupid, slow, unfit, boorish, etc. In fact he was highly-educated and, despite living in the heart of traditional ideas of monarchy, had read much enlightened literature. He wasn't a tyrant bent on hanging on to vestiges of absolute despotism. Having read much of the current philosophes and encyclopédistes of his day, including Diderot, Hume, and Montesquieu, the young Louis XVI was of the age where one is often fascinated by new, utopian ideas and it shows in the works he stocked in his library and his attention to philoshopical and political developments at home and abroad.

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I think much of the resentment still stems from the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre. Many surviving Huegonauts eventually made their way to America, and became influential.

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I don't speak for all Americans but my general impression is that we don't Hate the French. We like the French, Canadians, and British we make fun of them and they make jokes about Americans. It is not that serious.

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Um.. stop being racist. Only super old Americans still hate the French. I personally love French people, I don't know why you can't say the same for me. Not all Americans are like that.

You'd think after a while, people would figure out that America isn't entirely peopled by fat, racist, money-guzzling, ungrateful snobs. But, it only takes one douchebag...

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I don't have a problem with the French and most people I know also have no issue (I have been studying the language for years and know many who love the tongue and culture). There are stereotypes, though, that I've unfortunately heard a lot of. As in "All French hate Americans" "France doesn't like anyone". I think it's really unfortunate for all people to be lumped together so lazily, but stereotypes seem to be hard to avoid.

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I am French. I have been living in America for 20 years and everybody here has been most kind to me.

Occasionally you read some stupid right-wing comment from some Southern fundaloon, but here in New York people couldn't be more positive about France, even Jews who didn't like our opposition to the invasion of Iraq.

In general, I would say Americans are far nicer to French people than the French are to Americans.














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Aulic, Please leave New York City and visit the rest of America, you will find that you are stereotyping both the South and Conservatives as ignorant and *prejudiced, much as people do with people all over that they don't know personally, come get to know us. :)

*or in this case as people who fart in the bathtub and bite at the bubbles "fundaloon"...can't say I like the caricaturization, but I love the new word you introduced me to.


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Crass anti-French comments I have heard have almost invariably come from stupid right-wing Southern fundaloons. That is hardly my fault.

I am sure not all Southerners are like that, though one seldom hears but from the bad lot.









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Most southerners are not like that, but a select few have given the majority of us a bad reputation. That said, I have grown up in suburbia outside of a medium sized city, but the people my family associates with are nothing like the stereotypical idea of a southerner.

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I am sure not all Southerners are like that, though one seldom hears but from the bad lot.



And yet, you base your opinion on the few. The media always shows the fools because that is what sells, then people form their opinions on the news or by movies.


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NYC IS a vital part of America. I grew up there. The people there have been exposed to all sorts of people and things unknown in the rest of America. I've been elsewhere in the US and there is nowhere like NYC.
I noticed that some of the King's advisors were blaming the money spent helping the American colonists, but I don't take everything in this film as gospel.

And I like the word "fundaloon" too!





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Aulic Exclusiva, even Jews?

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This just about says it...

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although you are right that France did help the United States become a country... I disagree with your post.

I don't dislike France then, I dislike France now. The French come across as arrogant, snotty and "better" than others... not only the Americans.

I am having trouble with your post, Xanderino...
It looks like you disagree that French pesants were starving during the American Revolutionary War era. Were you taught French/World history Differently??
If you were taught that they were not starving during that time, why were Marie Antoinette and Louis eventually beheaded by your all powerful guillotine?
If your country's peasants were doing just fine, then why did they overthrow everything, from the Bastille to the Versailles palace??

You also don't seem to realize that the king at that time was even more homely then Jason Schwartzman portrayed. Robert Morley portrayed the patheticness of the King much better in the 1938 Marie Antoinette movie.

And on that front.. then all these people who had something to do with the 1938 movie about Marie Antionetee are liars, in your book...

Directed by
W.S. Van Dyke (as W.S. Van Dyke II)
Julien Duvivier (uncredited)

Writing credits
Claudine West (screenplay) and
Donald Ogden Stewart (screenplay) and
Ernest Vajda (screenplay)

Stefan Zweig (book)

F. Scott Fitzgerald uncredited
Talbot Jennings dialogue (uncredited)






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Pacino, how the screw did you put "French come across as arrogant, snotty and "better" to that is what I think YOU, LovesPacino is? You mention that you LIVE in that country, I am taking that to mean you LIVE in France. Living in France doesn't make you French, having decendants who were BORN in France, or to be born in France is the only way to be FRENCH.

Is that all you got from my post? that that is what I think of all of France and the French? I said the French come across, I didn't say that all of them are like that or that they are in fact, arrogant and snotty.

What the hell is wrong with you, is more like it.

You're laborers, you're supposed to be laboring! That's what you get for not having an education!!

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You are coming across that way NOW !!!



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The thing is many people mix up french and parisians. Let me explain, I am a parisian (I live in Paris), and of course we are french, but trust me when I say the rest of the country is nothing alike parisians who for the most part are arrogant, snotty and better than everyone else, let's be honest, we even are arrogant to people who don't live in Paris. So next time foreign people, when you come to visit France, avoid Paris and meet some real french people.

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I am not American or French, but due to my father's career and now my own job, I have resided in or had extended stays in more than half the countries in this world. My best friend is French and resides in Paris, although not Parisian by birth (her family is from Lyon). She is one of the most humble, gracious people I've ever known. However, she'll be the first to say 'watch out for the people in Paris, they can bite'. LOL!

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I have a French friend who lives in Lyon. He says the same thing about Paris. It's beautiful, but the people there are a bit arrogant. It's nothing like the rest of France. I would personally love to visit Normandy. My mother's father's ancestors are French Nobility who come from there. My friend just visited and said it is absolutely beautiful.

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I'm an American born & raised, and I don't hate the French at all. Not one bit.

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"Freedom Fries"

'nuff said.

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