A hole blown in the side of a ship (especially a ship that large) would not cause it to capsize. I grew up on cruise ships (my Dad was an executive for a large cruise ship line, I even worked on a cruise ship) and I know that it would take more than a hole to tip over a ship.
I know someone in the show said that the waves were rough or something, but the worst that would have happened would have been the port aft side of the ship sitting a bit lower in the water. All the watertight doors would have immediately sealed the flooded areas thereby saving the ship.
Cruise ships are loaded with safety systems for obvious reasons. They are tough things designed to handle all sorts of disasters.
regardless of who worked on what or knows what anbout anything - THAT MOVIE SUCKED !!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have no knowledge of ships or explosives. I just wasnt plausible or believable. In the original a massive tsunami tipped it over - THATS plausible. As for the rest of the movie - it was a sham. And a real slap in the face to the original actors of the 72' version. Especially Shelly Winters. But I watched the entire thing cause it was just that bad - it was like watching a train wreck and seeing it all to the end.
The ship might have capsized....EVENTUALLY...but not in the time they depicted in the movie.
It would really depend on where the water went and how fast it went there. If anyone had any inkling of what was going on, watertight doors would be closed and areas would be sealed off.
It took an email from a computer room for someone to know the ship was in trouble? That's the part I had trouble with. GPS; rapid communications...cruise lines know where their ships are at all times.
It turned over which made it late getting to its next port and no one thought to start looking? Rubbish.
Actually, all they had to do was look at their control room moniter. As the English woman and the officer were discussing the Poseidon's dissappearance, and waiting for the fighter jets to scramble and look for it, there is a moniter behind the officer's head. On it are three computer generated angles of the ship, one left, one right, and one upside-down and spinning!
At least with the original, the capsizing was plausible in that it was mentioned early in the film that the ship was riding too high out of the water and needed ballast. Therefore the ship was top heavy and less stable in the water. However, in the original, the officers were criminally negligent by not turning the ship into the wave at an angle. The original Poseidon was hit broadside by a wave 90 feet high. The ship is taller than that, but the force of the water against the side of an unstable ship could, at least theoretically, cause it to "turn turtle."
Last night's film was good visually and the effects during the capsizing were very good. Yeah, the ship looked a little fake at night (and what was the significance of New Year's Eve in this last one?) but overall I thought it was rather impressive. Capsizing an ocean liner, especially one as big as that one was, would have taken a lot more than that one bomb. Regardless of the terrorist knocking out the bridge crew, the ship would have heeled over with a big list, but I doubt it would have been enough to sink it and certainly wouldn't capsize it in the manner shown in the movie. With respect to the watertight doors, most ships have a double redundancy (am I spelling that right?) built into the safety systems. If the command to close the doors from the bridge failed, crew members can close doors manually and there are also water activating systems at each door that would automatically close the doors in the event that the area floods.
Finally, at least the film paid homage to the original: the dialogue in last night's version sucked just as much as in the 1972 version. "I never look back, darling. It distracts from the now." Edna "E" Mode
GET OVER IT PEOPLE!!!! IT WAS A MOVIE!!!!! Many things happen in movies that can't happen in real life. Star Wars hyperdrive and Star Trek warp drive can't happen. Ever hear of the Theory of Relativity? Yet did that keep them from being enjoyable movies? So the ship shouldn't have capsized, big deal. People who make mountains out of mole hills like you bunch are why I never go to the movies anymore. I just wait for the dvd and watch them in the peaceful surroundings of my home.
You know, it's probably all my fault. You can all blame me for this awful, awful movie :D.
Sitting at home one day, I said to myself, "Wouldn't it be great if they updated 'The Poseidon Adventure' and set it in the 21st century on a cruise ship..."
In the first one, I think the tsunami hit the ship too fast before it could turn into it.
In this film, I don't think it would matter if the bridge crew had been eliminated, and the automatic alarms turned off. There's still a crew in the engine room, under the charge of the Chief Engineer. When the explosion went off, they would have closed the watertight doors instantly.
Ah, how good it is to have everyone engage into a wholesome conversation pretaining to a capsizing ship and the terrorist groups. Let me just put my two sense in.
My great uncle was in the navy during World War II. When a torpedo hit this huge aircraft carrier and blew a hole about the size of the one on the Poseidon (I can't remember which aircraft carrier it was) he and the crew of another ship he was on witnessed the whole thing flip over in less than 10 minutes. It sank within two hours, though. I would assume, since the posiedon was much bigger (the aircraft carrier was one of those that had been converted from a cruiser)it probably had more air pockets. It is possible for the poseidon to have sank.
Not to mention, I asked my grandfather who is an expert in physics (especally since he's an engineer) if it was possible for the poseidon to have sank that way. I did think the ship could've possibly capsized that way with the hole above water. He told me considering the fact that the whole ship was heavier than the water, which wasn't filling it up nearly as fast as the ship was flipping, it was very possible more likely than not that it WOULD'VE sank that way. It is VERY possible for to have.
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But the watertight bulkheads in the Titanic only extended a third of the way up to the main deck. The water inside the ship rose above them and simply overflowed them. Because of that engineering disaster, bulkheads now extend the full height of the hull.
I suspect the consensus here that this new Poseidon wouldn't have capsized in this manner is correct. But I also firmly believe the 1972 Poseidon wouldn't have capsized in the manner presented. In the open ocean, a tsunami would have gone completely undetected, because it would only have been a fraction of an inch tall. It is only over a continental shelf that a tsunami grows and pick up speed. So, while the ship may well have capsized if hit broadside by a tsunami of the magnitude shown on the screen, it could never have been hit by a tsunami of that magnitude.
And I concur in the consensus -- this movie was indeed quite awful.
The 1972 version should have made it a rogue wave or sea bubble. Frightening things that have been known to come up and something that could be seen on radar(leaving the suspense).
However the Poseidon was going where again? They were off Crete or the wave was? Where is that and is that a possible place for a tsunami? Perhaps Poseidon wasn't far from a land area.
i liked it alot! - oh well a remake can not please everyone - also they bought the rights to the book NOT the film!
Another thing whats all this British crap going on - im English and i have no problems with any cultures - i believe some to be wrong and some to be too big headed but oh well! And to the poster who said something about britain being small or whatever - The BRITISH EMPIRE owned over a 1/3 of the world and no other country has ever beaten us - Britain at one stage made and owned USA so dont go bad mouthing us - but like i said i dont keep a grudge!
Anyway - The film had good SFX and I did not mind the change from wave to bomb - they did there best with CGI - the characters seemed balanced but some stayed too carboard for me! I give it a 7/10 - the original i give a 9/10! S
I just wanted to get my two cents in on the terrorist issue. First off i am American. Now, terrorism goes back centuries. There have been always been wars where people don't fight fair. The American Revolutionary War is the perfect example. We used tactics in that war that can easily be defined as terrorism. We didn't stand and fight shoulder to shoulder like the Brits. We hid in bushes and trees and anywhere else we could hide and ambushed their armies. So in a way, you could say that America's forefathers invented terrorism. :P
and of course, thanks to the American Revolutionary War, the Brit that said "no other country has ever beaten us" was sorely mistaken.
"So in a way, you could say that America's forefathers invented terrorism."
This was the funniest line in the whole thread! There is a TREMENDOUS difference between terrorism and guerilla warfare. As the king said at that time, "they are only a bunch of politicians and farmers." Not bad for a bunch of farmers!
crete is in the mediterraneum. Now it IS a rather shallow sea, and it is surrounded by land from all sides but one little gap: the street of gibralta. It is also on a dividing line between 2 tectonic plates (the african and european). There are a lot of earthquakes in greece. The epicentre of the tsunami that hit thailand was 150 km of the coast. So the mediterraneum is about 3850 km long and 600 km wide, crete lies in the centre of that 600 km, about 300 km from greece mainland and 300 km from africa. So while there could be an epicentre at about 200 km from where the poseidon was situated i don't think if it that wave is possible even if the poseidon was situated near the coast and in more shallow waters. It would not be a wave of THAT size that we see in the movie. It just wouldn't have the space in the mediterraneum to gather that much energy. But anyway, a tsunami that hit the poseidon would not have caused so much damage to the poseidon itself but way more to the coast of greece and africa. And there was never any mention of damage to the coasts, so it is implausible
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Actually, the bigger joke is trying to have us believe that a shelf containing food that can be slid by hand into position can hold the bomb in place enough so that when it explodes, it isn't just a flying missle.
"A hole blown in the side of a ship (especially a ship that large) would not cause it to capsize. I grew up on cruise ships (my Dad was an executive for a large cruise ship line, I even worked on a cruise ship) and I know that it would take more than a hole to tip over a ship. "
Ever hear of the Titanic? They thought that ship was unsinkable too with all it's watertight compartments. Sorry, I gotta believe anything that sits in the water is NOT unsinkable.
Actually, watch this crappy made for TV crapfest that somehow had a pretty well known cast... he's not arguing that a small hole can sink a ship, but rather how it was depicted in this terrible remake was rather implausible. I agree.
There's a terrorist planted explosive keg planted and detonated in a walk-in cooler located towards the port aft (left side, all the way back) section of the ship, under the waterline. The keg goes, and as would be the case some of the hull plating was torn loose and the adjactent kitchen starts to flood.
Some of the more modern ship safety and convenience systems _had_ been turned off on the bridge by one of the terrorists; if it were a real ship one could presume this would include (but not be limited to) the fire control system, the automatic bulkhead door controls, the lifeboat deployment system?, the stabilizer gyros, navigation radar and transponders, etc.
Now of course this assumes that all of these systems even CAN be turned off on the bridge. For safety and security purposes, most CANNOT.
Also this assumes that the entire crew and the passengers wouldn't notice that the ship immediately would start to pitch and roll with the waves, as "old" ships did, but modern ones do not for the most part due to the stabilizer system. The instant they flipped the switch, the system would either stop completely (active liquid ballast transfer system or some other mass transfer system) or its effectiveness would quickly drop off (gyros or combination of the two). Either way, when the stabilizer system was shut down, most of the crew would quickly notice...
Now as far as the water rushing in from the hole created by the exploding keg, it would have had to proceed a fair distance forward, yet to not actually flood the rear of the ship semi-symmetrically is also bad writing and implausible. Basically, the water rushing in from the flooded compartments would not have rushed only along the far port side of the vessel - it would have tried to reach the path of least resistance. Unless the area that was open to the hull breach was a somewhat sealed tube leading all the way fore and aft without any major connections towards the starboard, there's no way that you could cause the ship to roll that strongly to the port; as you'd actually flood those decks evenly towards the aft of the ship, which would cause the ship to draft more in the aft with a slight roll towards the port side, but nothing at all like what was shown in the miniseries.
The miniseries shows the ship rolling over within about 5 minutes of the keg blowing up. Even with the flood control doors wide open, the only type of ship that could capsize that quickly due to hull breach is a car ferry, whose large open decks don't slow down the water migration and CAN quickly become unbalanced.
That by the way is why you hear of so many car carrying ferry boats sinking with great loss of life, but rarely if ever of a cruise ship in this day and age. Terrorists can't undo good engineering, even if they flip a few switches and pop a hole in the hull.
maybe the watertight doors were jammed partialy open or the bulkheads could have given way , if you watched thre movie , There was a scene in the longe where the explosion threw people of balance and the ship shook several times afterwords
What line did your dad work for? I'm guessing Carnival or a brand of Carnival Corp. because that is such an emmense company. Also what ship did you work on?