I have just finished watching R-Point and although intrigued by the story, I am more than slightly confused as to the significance of the story. Were there really ghosts on the island? or were the ghosts supposed to signify the fact that the soldiers were in an isolated place just waiting to go home.. with their heads getting a bit screwy as they go along?
And what was the significance of the girl?
Also, at the end, there is one guy left sitting there in an empty room.. Where are the rest of the soldiers??
I got it all as a haunted grave area story. They come across that drained out lake, where the chinese buried alot of vietnamese people, then drained the lake. That, to me, means disrespect of the dead and restless spirits. A haunted place.
In a sense, the various characters all have flaws that, narratively, makes them sinners and as such, eligible to die. The youngster went in with noble intentions, tried to get money to help out his mother and was a genuinely couragous and decent guy (he was the only one willing to originally be on Choi's recon team, when they are 8 left and have to split into two groups). This is probably why he, narratively, is the only one left alive.
Storywise, I think the point is that there always seems to be one, injured and insane person left. The curse that haunts the area pulls people in with the radio calls, basically because the restless spirits of the dead want to get rescued and go home. This, unfortunately pulls in new victims. It's happened to the french soldiers, to the first korean platoon (called Mad Dog 3 in the version I watched, but apparently called Donkey in other versions), it happened to the American soldiers and it happened to Mole 3.
Those with blood on their hands do indeed get punished, but it's more of a punishment of sin, rather than actual killing. For example, Sgt. Oh, who had been given the task of getting the camera to Jung Sook from her boyfriend, who later died at R-Point, kept the camera for himself, i.e. he was a thief and a liar, something which he was punished for. The cook had obviously been with prostitutes (which is why he had syfilis) despite having a wife and kid at home, a sin he was punished for by the restless spirits. Hell, the only person who didn't have syfilis, as shown in the examination scene, was sgt. Jang (blind kid), thus he was the only "clean" one, so to speak.
The significance of them finding Lt. Choi's lighter in the field, was of course to show that the french graveyard was another ghostly vision and had disappeared. And this was followed by Sgt. Jin's planting of the missing soldier's dogtag, showing that HQ knew that something was wrong and just wanted a PR mission, sending out a team to come back with proof that the soldiers were dead and thus closing the case.
Far as the american soldiers and their mysterious stuff on the second story were concerned, I think it was just to hammer home the fact that they were ghosts as well. They were warned to not go up there, because then they would be exposed to the truth, something that could drive them mad, if they weren't ready for it. That the americans even showed up and gave them beer was basically their way of trying to warn off the living, but couldn't directly as they were trapped by the curse.
While I didn't think of it as I watched the movie, I do think another poster made a lot of sense with the theory that the ghost doesn't seem to be able to kill anyone directly. They possess and coerce the soldiers into killing each other, probably partly to keep the ghosts ethereal and to reflect on the toll war takes on a person.
That makes the ending mean this to me: Choi tries to fight the ghost as best he can, but he seems unable to swing the machete, probably struggling for control of his mind with the ghost. When he feels himself losing, he gets Jang to kill him, maybe with the slim hope he can take the ghost with him. But probably more just to avoid killing Jang, especially after he made a promise that Jang would go back home.
Jang is then left all alone and goes crazy because of the stress, uncertainty and inability to do anything, being blind and not aware of what's going on. Hell, under the circumstances any of us probably would lose their mind. The reason the room is empty, though, is because the others now belong to R-Point, as cursed souls haunting the area. If their bodies were recovered and laid to rest, their souls could find peace and move on to the next world, but, alas, they are doomed to walk R-Point as the damned, calling to the outside world for rescue.
The girl being the girl from the hole and the pic was just to have a face to put on the ghosts of the area, to show that the restless spirits that were the base of the curse, were the wronged vietnamese. She was just the face of the wronged, both as a vietnamese soldier fighting for freedom and as the ghost of a vietnamese slaughtered by occupational forces, first chinese, then french and now american and korean. She respresented the innocent and their vengance in the story, rather than have a whole bunch of ghost running around, it was far scarier with just one lone, out of place, girl.
I think dandenholt's perspective makes the most sense. Well, makes the most sense to me anyways. The nly thing that is really, really confusing me is the bleeding radio in cobwebs. WTF was that all about?
This movie isn't about ghosts or what so ever. It is about this blind guy that is from another unit that is still alive and waiting for rescue. While he's in that house his mind and fear is playing him tricks. That way he goes crazy. At the end of the movie they say that they cant find anyone else in that mansion, It's because they didn't even got killed there. (Or maybe i can be wrong about it all).
It kinda reminded me a bit of Event Horizon, ghosts or not there was definitely something evil lurking there that made everyone turn against each other and kill each other.
Just finished this movie... wow... ummmm I've read all of your interpretations on the story, and personally I found it so confusing that I don't feel it is worthy of all of our thinking. The anti-war message is very clear, especially since South Korean soldiers were used in the latest Iraq fiasco. I greatly enjoyed the film, but I would put this into the "What the F*@!" category alongside Mulholland Drive and Gozu.
I find that if you're confused you should watch a movie again. With this I understood it second time round. I had assumed that the blind soldier had went mad but with the rest I didn't know. At the time I thought that they had all gone crazy and killed each other, but of course, there is only the blind guy on his own with NO bodies, so maybe he had just gone crazy and his mind had played tricks on him. Don't you just LOVE movies which confuse you this much? :P
I look at it along the lines of The Shining. R-Point is evil and haunted, it infects the minds of those inside it and drives them to kill one another through fear and panic, creating a loss of control(the spirit struggles to control the men when the Lt starts demanding that each man identify themselves).
The reason that the building looks different at the end is because we no longer see the building as it is perceived by the soldiers. Or alternatively, because the spirits are no longer active in the building at that time.
We know that the French were there in the 50s (1952 I think) from the graves the Lt sees and from historical context.
The beer the soldiers drink could be another in the series of hallucinations they are all experiencing (think Jack Torrence at the bar in The Shining).
The girl is perhaps a recurring malevolent spirit and so she plays a part in the downfall of the French, Donkey 30, Mole 3 and possibly even the Americans. She may be one of those killed by the Chinese when it was still a lake (I prefer this to her being killed/raped by the French as it gives the area a longer history of deaths and disappearances as opposed to the 20 years since the French died).
The Americans warn them not to go upstairs not through any real motive save for them acting out their own personalities prior to their death, they are just echos of the people who were actually there. Like the squad the corporal mistakes for his own, they are just doing what they were doing when the area took them.
The Lt knows that they are there, not to find the men, but to find out what happened to them. The Sgt is there to ensure a cover up, "finding" the men so that the army doesn't take a PR hit. He plants the dog tag because he knows something isn't right and wants an excuse to leave before the 7 days are up.
Both squads are survived by a blind man perhaps because Mole 3 was fated to play out the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Donkey 30. Again think of The Shining where Jack is basically repeating what Grady did all those years before.
Anyway, I thought it was a good film, not executed as well as it might have been (I agree with the comment that some of the soldiers were a little generic), but still a refreshing change.
It's pretty simply, actually. Why all the confusion? The bodies disappeared in the end so that another troup of soldiers will come to look for them since they appear to be missing, just like they came looking for the previous missing troup That's why there was that radio broadcast at the end, calling for help ("Mole three, come in, Butterfly"). The girl was just the ghost which haunted them, she took over their bodies at the end and even appeared as the dead soldiers at various times.
Confusion and uncertainty exist in war, so I felt it gave a taste to the viewer of what the troops were going through. If anything, it added to the nightmarish quality. Strange place, scared sh*tless, etc.
Very creepy, lots of tension, great location. I agree with earlier posts, it was reminiscent of The Shining (evil location induces madness and murder).
It won't appeal to everyone (as we all have different tastes) but I find this type of thoughtful horror far more terrifying and disturbing than the usual 'obvious' Hollywood horror - mainly because it invites you to use your imagination (an unlimited place!) instead of spelling it all out and tying up the loose ends.
Just finished watching this movie and came here to see what people thought about it as I too was slightly confused by it all. So I might as well add my thoughts to the issues.
Firstly the basic message I believe is that we cannot escape the cycle of war and the ghosts of war that come with it. Which explains why the film starts and ends with a similiar scenario, a lone survivor who will say all his comrades are dead only for a message to arrive to invite another search party and conflict. It is the ghosts that haunt and will never leave an individual who has been in that situation.
I am sure there is some relevant history that people might be able to elaborate on as I am sure the French occupied Vietnam in the 50's until communist China invaded and drove them out during a bloody period of history. So I guess the girl was witness to and a victim of a mass extermination of the French soldiers.
The fact that so much blood was spilt on sacred ground would be enough to anger the spirits and again someone with asian knowledge might be able to enlighten us. I believe the girl is a manifestation, like in Ringu and The grudge, of a spirit that was torn from life in a terrible way and is therefore hellbent on revenge. Also I believe she chose to show herself to Choi because he sort of stopped them from shooting her, even though she was a ghost, in the gun pit. So in turn she enlightened him to pieces of the puzzle and eventually led to his understanding that he could save the boy.
I agree the spirit could only make them kill each other which is why the lieutenant makes the young boy shoot him, thus allowing him to fulfil his promise and save a squad member. There is no doubt that the film plays with ideas of confusion, paranoia and guilt all of which would undoubtably fill us all if we were stuck in the middle of jungle fighting a faceless enemy, which the Vietnam war supposedly was like. Soldiers in an unfamiliar environment fighting an enemy they could not see most of the time.
I think the lighter scene was just a way of showing us that they were in the same place as Choi but there was no graveyard so that was another apparition for his benefit and to give the viewer some added information.
The guy with the camera was faced with his demon because after the lad told him about seeing the guy with the writing on his helmet he felt guilty because he kept the camera he got for that soldier. The writing i believe said " I am waiting for you... his name"
The American soldiers died in a helicopter crash so maybe they were not evil but were aware of their surroundings as I am sure the leader says something about them "doing what they did before" in regards to gambling as to whether or not the platoon would last 4 days. Maybe they did not want them to see the radio equipment (i) because it would show that it had not been used for a long time (ii) they did not want them to call re-inforcements.
The blood on their hands bit I guess they were all guilty of it except the young lad as this was his first mission, I Think, although I do not recall the cook killing anyone, why would he if he is cook, even though he jokes at the start about beheading people.
I would also like to know what the scene on the DVD back cover lends itself to as it hints at a useful piece of information as it depicts the girl and a scene of horror.
Well that is all I can think of at the moment and yes it could, in fact, all be a load of bollocks but that is the beauty of a film that, intentionally or not, makes you think
I am a Korean. Many people confused the name on the helmat cover of a ghost soldier. That is "Wait for me, Jung-sook." Jung-sook is his girl-friend back in Korea. It was very common that soldiers write "Wait for me, Jung-sook.""Wait for me, OOOO." on their helmats during the Vietnam war. That time every soldier wanted to buy a camera (mostly cameras from Japan)with his saving. The soldier mentioned saving 4-month payments for the camera. A Koreans was paid about $40 a month during the war. Sgt. Jang, only survior, mentioned he lied as STD patient because he got paid $50 and he could buy a bull(very important for a farmer) with $50 in Korea. Therefore the camera was very expensive. The dead soldier told the guilty soldier that the camera was for his girlfriend, Jung-sook, in Korea. That was why he felt guilty when he heard about the marking on helamt of a ghost soldier.
Regarding wcurrie 29's question "I am still confused as to what the girl had to do with the French platoon? What was the significance of Jacques and Paul? Anyone any knowledge of this?"
There were 2 Vietnamese wars - the first one was with French soldiers against communist guerrillas (this is how the "dead" French platoon comes into it) and the 2nd Vietnamese War 1972 in which the Koreans were involved (thus the Korean platoon that went missing in there 6 months ago and the setting for the movie).
The girl character is based on local stories of sightings of a girl(ghost) who was slaughtered a long time ago. Therefore i am guessing that the girl character was supposed to have been slaughtered by the french platoon years earler and since then any venture into the area has met with this haunting. Jacues and Paul were heard on a transmission by the korean radio dude - then when LT CHOI followed the girl ghost into the graveyard saw on the cross "Paul and Jacques rest in peace here" - this illustrates that the transmssion voices were ghosts because the cross says 1931 therefore they are dead as dodo's due to the unexplained extermination of the french - its strongly suggested that the girl ghost killed them as well.
hmm anyway that is my take on the french involvement - overall i really enjoyed the movie. I havent had to think about a plot for a while as most are pasted on so thick you cant help but know whats going to happen even before it does - refreshing to be challenged by a script for a change.
I've just finished watching this. I'm not as confused as some here but I don't have it all wrapped up either. I think that's impossible, which is a shame - I liked A Tale Of 2 Sisters (another "K-Horror") but found it better becasue it was definitely OK to unravel and understand (as you'll see if you go to the imdb board).
Wonder if the deleted scenes would have spelt it out a bit more? (like the pics on the back of the UK DVD that aren't even in the movie!)