Confused?


Hi,

I have just finished watching R-Point and although intrigued by the story, I am more than slightly confused as to the significance of the story. Were there really ghosts on the island? or were the ghosts supposed to signify the fact that the soldiers were in an isolated place just waiting to go home.. with their heads getting a bit screwy as they go along?

And what was the significance of the girl?

Also, at the end, there is one guy left sitting there in an empty room.. Where are the rest of the soldiers??

Sorry, but i am very confused.

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Yeah I wasn't sure what to take from this film and kind of dissapointed for the lack of thrills it gave me.

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i just watched the DVD and really get confused towards the ending. Were those soldiers not exist or just vanished like that ?
somebody helps please ! :)

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Here's my reading of what went on, though I must say that I could very easily be way off. Also, there will be SPOILERS for those who haven't seen the film.

It seems like for whatever reason, the ghost(s) can only make people kill eachother and cannot simply end a person's life. The girl I am confused about. She seemed to be the girl in the photograph but was she also the girl who they hit with the rocket launcher? The one they didn't have the heart to kill? Was she also the girl who Lt Choi killed at the whorehouse in the beginning? I can't tell. Somehow no one noticed Private Jung not being part of the mission, which I have a hard time understanding. My guess as to why Choi had the blind kid kill him was because he felt the girl entering his mind and knew that the girl would use him to kill the blind guy. Maybe he was hoping to kill the girl because she would be in his body when he died, but that's a sketchy guess. WHy they all disappeared, I don't know. It would lead me to believe that they had all been ghosts all along but I'm not sure that's what we were supposed to believe. Why would they send in one real person to look for a unit of 8-9 missing ghosts? Doesn't make any sense.

I liked this film but it may have been too incomprehensible. Also, I had a hard time telling certain soldiers from one another, a lot of them were pretty one dimensional. The English dialogue felt very awkward. I guess the writer didn't really know how to write naturalistic American dialogue. Can't really blame him, I wouldn't know how to write naturalistic Korean dialogue. I suppose the American actors should have realized that something was off and fixed it themselves so it didn't sound bizarre. Pretty cool thriller overall though.

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i'd say your more on than off

i think everyone agrees, a good premise..but it can be kinda hard to follow...the 'ghosts' jumping from body to body ala JC's Ghost of Mars (or thats what i thought) perhaps from reading earlier posts, the soldiers went mad-halucinating, killing each other off...as far as the bodies disappearing-maybe there was no mission to begin with...like one deserted solider (going mad)...who believes that something horrible happened to the rest of his platoon???

In the end-I guess it raises more questions than answers...which is always good for discussion.

BLAH

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Hmm, maybe. I mean maybe to your theory about one deserted soldier who goes crazy. But I still feel like there are some loose ends. I think this movie would be a little better if it made more sense. I'm not even the type of guy that needs everything spelled out and wrapped up for him, but a LITTLE resolution might have been nice.

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Well I think this movie was based on true events, and what people believed to have happened. That's why it may be a little confusing, because people don't really know what happened.

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True events? Hmmm.

BEWARE, THIS MESSAGE CONTAINS SPOILERS. LEAVE THIS MESSAGE IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THIS SHOW.

I personally enjoyed the show but I could not understand it very much either. It would have been nice if I had remembered the scene in the hospital when they were interviewing the blinded sergeant. Did they say there were no other people in that mission, or did they ask him what happened to them?

Apart from ghosts here and ghosts there, I feel many things just don't click. Let's begin with the girl with the jingling bracelet. Indeed, the ghostly girl was the girl being hit by the rocket launcher. Question is, what was she doing in the seemingly unoccupied jungle? She was found wounded beside a long dead soldier (I was wondering if the male soldier was long dead, how come there were no flies buzzing around? But perhaps because the rocket launcher evaporated the flies. Yeah) The jingling bracelet that she wore shows indication that she was the girl all along at the end. Well, apparently, they didn't kill her off. My guess was that she died, or else sho would not have returned to get Lt Choi.

But, was she the girl at the whorehouse? I did think it was her too. I thought that probably since Lt Choi killed her there, she returned to the island to take him out. Instead, she herself got taken out! Frankly, this wouldn't make any sense at all.

And she was also supposed to have been Jung-Sook, the girlfriend of the undead Private Jung. But what has that got to do with her being at the whorehouse (if that was her) or on the island?

Then there were the American ghosts. Apparently when Lt Choi's team stumbled across the crash site, Boch's body was still intact. No signs of decomposition, even though the helicopter already had plants growing all over it. It looked as though Boch had just died there not too long ago.

And Boch (or rather, the ghost of Boch) warned Choi to leave the second storey alone. Choi eventually broke into the second storey when he realised Boch was never going to return. What they found were lots of equipment... which Choi never used! There seemed to be lots of hype building around the equipment in the second storey but Choi never used it! His men just loaded them to the ground floor and... nothing! The signal set which was used to comms the HQ was their own set. The cobwebbed and bloodied set was still bleeding at the second storey, so it goes to show that the Korean soldiers didn't even touch it!

And the ghostly American yankees treated the Korean soldiers with beer. Gee, I wonder what the Korean soldiers were drinking then!

And I was wondering what got into Sergeant Jin (the veteran staff sergeant). What has his discovery got to do with his rage. What has he got to do with planting the ID tags in the field so one of the men found it and ended up blaming Lt Choi. When Sgt Jin heard the voice of the dead soldier in the cave, the voice was that produced through a radio set with all the static and all, but it seemed like the show wanted us to believe it was spoken from the decomposed corpse lying near the signal set.

And what was the Lt Choi's fallen lighter in the field got anything to do with the show!

At the end of the show, when only the blind sergeant remained alive, all eight of the platoon (or rather, it seemed more like only a section) simply vanished. No, I don't think they were intended to be ghosts, but rather, they disappeared as mysteriously as the first section who had gone missing over there. The blind sergeant survived because I think he never had blood on his hands. Everyone else died by their own guilty past, or merely by accident (like the cook who was hit by friendly fire). But if I didn't remember wrongly, all the soldiers, including the blin sergeant, gunned down Sergeant Jin.

Yes, at the end, the ghostly girl was about to possess Lt Choi and Choi directed the blind sergeant to shoot him just in time when she herself set into him. That has to be it. Choi wouldn't have been intending for the blind sergeant to shoot the girl, because if it were so, he would have finished her off (or even attempted to) himself since he was holding this huge knife in his hand. Now, Lt Choi was a veteran officer. He still had his marbles to handle the crisis situation... but when the ghost girl walked towards him, he didn't run or make an attack on her! Why? Because the knife won't hurt her as much as bullets do (yeah, he dropped his rifle)?

Overall, the feel of the show didn't even feel like World War II. I just could not accept that the setting was that of WWII. Somehow just didn't seem to reflect it very much. The Korean soldiers seemed too modern. They behaved like American soldiers, and I thought Koreans at that time were more well-disciplined and even rigid and old-fashioned. Well, this is just my guess.

However, the show did bring about a spooky setting and I liked the characters. Some scenese were hilarious, like the one where the soldiers were to form into two teams and all ran into Sgt Jin's side. And there was about the sergeant who was actually just a cook without combat experience who tried to brag about missions he never took. And there was the infamous MODERN DAY UNIFORM DHL deliveryman. Gee... I think that was intended as a joke.

The spooky scenes, however, I felt were quite well-directed. The scene of the ghostly section prowling among the tall grass was one great scene. The camera direction was such that I thought the face of the last ghost soldier was going to be revealed but simply never did. Imagine you being that lost soldier who stumbled upon them! Imagine that you were justa breath away from seeing the horror... and in BROAD DAYLIGHT (and the lost soldier's discovery that those were spooks was really funny too)! Somehow, despite that sun, the ghostly apparitions always seem to have a grayer shade and when you look carefully, they just don't seem natural. I'd say that was pretty good direction.

The show got me a spooked a little. When I left my friend's home after watching this show, it was past midnight. I confess I got a little jumpy when I entered the elevator and when I was walking to my car. Even when I got home, I turned most of the lights on and hurried to bed beside my wife. But as I was lying in bed thinking of the show, many questions came to mind which simply don't make sense. I think if we really want the answers, we should ask the scriptwriter what he really wanted to convey. I'll bet the actors had no clue either!

Some of the scenes were appealing to me as I had military experience before. The combat drills of the actors were pretty good (especially when they were storming the haunted building). I believe these actors underwent some form of military training prior to shooting this show.

I've personally had some spooky encounters when I was serving in the military. Once I lost contact with my platoon and was in the middle of a foreign hillside in darkness. Fortunately, I was more of frustrated than frightened and navigated my way back to the platoon. Another time I was doing a topographical training in the night and distinctively saw a pair of legs walking in front of me (my platoonmates were all in this small area and we crossed paths very often upon looking for our objectives). I got a little lazy and decided to follow the legs since it was very likely that we were heading for the same objective. Then I realised I was heading too far into the forest, and stopped. Upon looking harder through the moonlight, the pair of legs seemed to be actually tree trunks or leaves or whatever. I could have been hallucinating but I just turned back to where the voices of my platoonmates were more loudly heard. Didn't want to find out what those really were.

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Ah... now you are right. I goofed. My bad. Vietnam War, yes it was.

But yeah, I thought the Koreans weren't behaving like the Yankees even at that time.

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the setting is vietnam not wwII thats why the soldiers seemed more modern, if you noticed the writing on the soldiers helmets and the african american soldier was wearing a peace sign around his neck.also the soldiers were wearing flak jackets, i dont believe they were worn in ww2

-if you notice in the begining the south korean soldier that they were talking to had his face and eyes bandaged up letting you know he couldn't see, also the last soldier at the end had his eyes bandaged up or covered letting us know he couldnt see. the soldier at the begining says that every one was dead and that he brought back their dog tags himself. i think that place they call "r-point" is kinda like a "pet cemetary" type place or a haunted burial ground type place.

- just my take on the movie, i enjoy'd it

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"Overall, the feel of the show didn't even feel like World War II. I just could not accept that the setting was that of WWII. Somehow just didn't seem to reflect it very much."

That's 'cause it's set during the Vietnam War, LOL. =P

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Origianlly posted by goingnowhere2002
I personally enjoyed the show but I could not understand it very much either. It would have been nice if I had remembered the scene in the hospital when they were interviewing the blinded sergeant. Did they say there were no other people in that mission, or did they ask him what happened to them?
he was asking about the other members of the group. he was asking about the other memeber of donkey 3, the group we saw was mole 1 and mole 3.

Origianlly posted by goingnowhere2002
But, was she the girl at the whorehouse? I did think it was her too. I thought that probably since Lt Choi killed her there, she returned to the island to take him out. Instead, she herself got taken out! Frankly, this wouldn't make any sense at all.

And she was also supposed to have been Jung-Sook, the girlfriend of the undead Private Jung. But what has that got to do with her being at the whorehouse (if that was her) or on the island?
ehm, what are you talking about. the girl at the whore house isn't the same girl as the ghost + we never see the face of Jung-Sook.

Origianlly posted by goingnowhere2002
Then there were the American ghosts. Apparently when Lt Choi's team stumbled across the crash site, Boch's body was still intact. No signs of decomposition, even though the helicopter already had plants growing all over it.
ehm, he had decomposed quite allot, probably few weeks or maybe a month.

Origianlly posted by goingnowhere2002
When Sgt Jin heard the voice of the dead soldier in the cave, the voice was that produced through a radio set with all the static and all, but it seemed like the show wanted us to believe it was spoken from the decomposed corpse lying near the signal set.
ya, its called a horror effect :P the sergent think its a alive person who is sending these transmissions, but its the ghost, the soldier was just a corpse.

Origianlly posted by goingnowhere2002
And what was the Lt Choi's fallen lighter in the field got anything to do with the show!
he dropped it when he fell during the night when he followed the ghost girl in the field with graves from the french soldiers(which wasn't there later on)

Origianlly posted by goingnowhere2002
At the end of the show, when only the blind sergeant remained alive, all eight of the platoon (or rather, it seemed more like only a section) simply vanished. No, I don't think they were intended to be ghosts, but rather, they disappeared as mysteriously as the first section who had gone missing over there. The blind sergeant survived because I think he never had blood on his hands. Everyone else died by their own guilty past, or merely by accident (like the cook who was hit by friendly fire). But if I didn't remember wrongly, all the soldiers, including the blin sergeant, gunned down Sergeant Jin.
he survived because the ghosts couldn't kill them by it-self, it either used other to kill each other or fool them to get into accidents. So no one was alive to kill him, he was blind, so the ghost couldn't trick him + he wouldn't leave because he was blind and he had a nervous break down.

Origianlly posted by goingnowhere2002
Yes, at the end, the ghostly girl was about to possess Lt Choi and Choi directed the blind sergeant to shoot him just in time when she herself set into him. That has to be it. Choi wouldn't have been intending for the blind sergeant to shoot the girl, because if it were so, he would have finished her off (or even attempted to) himself since he was holding this huge knife in his hand. Now, Lt Choi was a veteran officer. He still had his marbles to handle the crisis situation... but when the ghost girl walked towards him, he didn't run or make an attack on her! Why? Because the knife won't hurt her as much as bullets do (yeah, he dropped his rifle)?
ya, he figured out that the ghost used thme to kill each other, so using force was useless, all he could do was to order the blind soldier to shoot him. Lt Choi dropped the rifle because the ammo clip was empty.

Anyway, all this happend because of the warning sign said that all who had blood on their hands can't leave the place. they were all soldiers, so naturally they all had blood on their hands.

The undead soldier that came with them from the beach, he was also the soldier from the old group, donkey 3, he did also then take the photo, thats why he did it now with this group.

the girl on the photo with all the men, my guess is that the men raped and killed her = they got blood on their hands, the ghost of the girl became a poltergiest and possess anyone with blood on their hands and make them kill each other.

About the bodies disappearing, my guess the ghost moved them. Remeber that the missing soldier laying dead in the water ;)

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Anyway, all this happend because of the warning sign said that all who had blood on their hands can't leave the place. they were all soldiers, so naturally they all had blood on their hands.

But didn't the kid who sold his medicinal certificate said that this was his first tour? In that case, he shouldn't have blood on his hands.

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***Poss Spoilers***

When I watched R-Point a while back, I read the film to be more about the progressively volatile headstate of the soldiers rather than of the island being haunted.
From the outset the soldiers are nervous about going on the mission, and once they get to the island, their paranoia and nervousness coupled with the preculiarities of the island take over.
The island's notion of 'those with blood on their hands not being allowed to leave' is not so much a literal message, more aimed toward the social understanding of individuals being haunted by guilt from doing wrong. In Silmido, the guilt is associative toward the soldiers through them having enlisted to the Armed Forces to fight. Whilst some have not actually experienced battle/war/fighting, the soldiers have enlisted to undertake future missions and therefore are assumed guilty by association.
As the film progresses, the soldiers begin to see their own guilt personified in haunting imagery and situations, which in itself makes them more nervous and insecure as regards their mission, each other and their perceptions of what is happening.
The dead girl appears to be the Director's vehicle to show the soldiers guilt towards what some of then have done previously, and the associative guilt through being soldiers in an active and working army. The girl is symbolic of the insanity that the soldiers experience, which at first divides them, and ultimately leads to the soldiers killing one another. The way in which the Director deals with the end scene is admirable, as it would have been easier but largely detrimental to have shown a ghostly figure picking off the soldiers, but by having the soldiers kill one another due to the pressures being self-applied by their guilt, the Director has offered the audience the opportunity to experience the great depth of psychological anguish suffered by the soldiers.
The reason why the last soldier survives serves to evidence this idea, as despite suffering a near-mental breakdown, he is unable to react to his anguish by killing anyone as the squad leader sacrifices himself so that the last soldier can live. With the death of his captain, the blinded soldier is spared further torment as the spirits at work are unable to play him off against anyone else.

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Thanks, this sounds like the correct intereptration. The one that makes most sense anyway.

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theres a meaning to that... it means those that kill another cannot leave this place and i think the subtitles really REALLY screwed the movie hard core for the western viewers (seeing the number of negative comments) because some of the subtitles did not exactly define what they said. i know this because im korean and ive watched this movie a numerous times with subtitles ON and those guys that said the acters sucked or the acters were screaming for no reason... geez do you 'people' must be mentally challenged... would you even know how those soldiers acted in those situations? and wouldnt you get freaked in situations like that? any what do you know about korean people..geez ooh yea if you wanna really understand the movie i suggest waching that movie on dvd with someone that can understand korean and keep pausing and asking your friend whats going on so you can catch up

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Just posting to say I've just seen this film and thought it was really good - but plenty confusing on first viewing.

@ lucas_bgn: Thanks - your post is by far the most coherent explanation of what is going on that I have read here.




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I think the whole R-Point surroundings are haunted bye the vietnamese girls, you can see her on the pictures with the french soldiers toward the end.

The french soldiers must have done something terrible to her, such as raping her and killing her, something like that.

She takes revenge on them and after that, the place becomes haunted for centuries.

She kills the first korean mission leaving only the defigurated man you see on the hopsital bed at the beginning, and months after the hellicopter american team.

That's why you see here in the VC hole at the beginning, ans she keep tormenting every unit entering the area after that.

There's something fishy about the cave, though, something was there that was supposed to be known by the Lieutenant i think, thus rendering the sergent mad at the end, but what ? May be the fact that all the mission was deemed to failure, and that the comandment knew way before that men of the previous mission was slaughtered (remember the bandage guy saying he took all the ids of hi fellows with him) and that the only goal was to try to undestand how the thing did happen.

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It's very possible everything that happened to the soldiers in the building did happen, but not in that building. Otherwise why was there no-one there at the end when the blind soldier was rescued by the helicopter. The scene when he is sat alone portrays a white, bright room, as oppose to the dark, dusty hanging sheet filled room during the film.

All i can suggest is that what happened at the end actually happened out in the field, and the soldier is simply remeniscing all the events in his mind, which is what you see happening. It's quite possible they were at that very building alot of the time, but becuase if the scary events, he remembers it differently and in his mind, seeing dark tattered hanging cloths and scratched, mouldy walls. Surely you yourself have seen perhaps your own comfortable house in a completely different light when you are in a certain frame of mind after a fright, or when your imagination has run a little wild.

If he sustained his injury in the field, it's quite possible he made his way back to that place afterwards to seek shelter, and wait for the helicopter which was his only escape. When he got back he ran back everything in his mind which happened, and because of his horrific experiance began to call out again for his sargeant in anticipation, and deperation, because i guess you never know, in his mind he could still be alive and simply ran away after he fired the shots.


Another thing i found confusing, was the lone dead soldier in the cave which was apparently the one who had been sending out the distress calls. This doesnt make a great deal of sence since in the message he refers to the fact that his men are being slaughtered around him, and you even hear them dying. When this soildier is found however, his is completely alone with no bodies around him, and he himself seems to have just died of starvation, with no obvious injuries. The only thing i can think of is that he recorded the first message during a battle then found his way into the cave on his own and just died because he couldnt get out.

The dead soldiers in the swamp, in my opinion, were not really there. I noticed that one of the soldiers in an aerial shot was standing directly on top of one of the dead soldiers legs, asif there was nothing there. Surely he would have known he was standing on a body, if his other foot was touching the bottom of the swamp, even more so if he has seen bodies and is made very afraid by them, he would not want to keep standing on one of them. Maybe this is just abit of a goof, but maybe it's to show that they weren't really there.

As far as i can remeber only 1 soldier actualy saw the soldiers at first because he fell in the water, and then during the aerial shot you wonder how anyone could have ever missed them since they stick out like a sore thumb. If this soldier who first saw them actually saw a witherd log or something dark-coloured atleast, his current state of mind would see the face of a dead soldier, and after he screams what he has seen the brimming paranoia of the others could be simply unleashed at this point, making everyone 'see' these bodies. Interestly i think the sargeant atleast does not really react in this scene, so it's possible because he is of a cooler disposition, he didnt see anything and thought the same as me, that his men were just paranoid.

As for the girls significance i haven't got a clue, as has allready been stated, she could well have been a whore to the men in the picture and become a vengeful spirit as a result, or she was an assassin sent by north vietnam, consumed by hate for perhaps herself or her job, and eventually just prowling the area looking for victims. It wasn't really very well explained. There might be some significance which i could not pick up on simply because of the differences in culture and folklore. I used to think i knew everything about the story behind Ringu, until i found out the significance in Japanese culture surrounding wells and spirits.

This film can be looked at in too many ways just to figure out completely, i think the only way to really know is to just go ask Su-chang Kong.

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After reading all this thread I still don't understand what the hell was going on. Anyway does anyone have the DVD? On the back there is only one picture and it is of 4 soldiers hanging from nooses just outside the building with a girl in white looking from the inside of the building on to them. This isn't even in the bloody film!

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"After reading all this thread I still don't understand what the hell was going on"

LOL. Me too buddy, me too.

But GOD I still loved this movie! Perhaps because we're so used to Hollywood type blockbusters tying up each loose end with a handy epilogue, that when a film like R-TYPE gives us so much info that we need to work a lot out for ourself, we get freaked out?

I think this is reflected in a lot of Japanese/Korean films - maybe it's something to do with the difference in culture, or maybe it's just that the director credits his audience with more intelligence than a western one?

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I think that they are the first platoon,its like some sort of time loop.Blind soldier being interviewed at start,blind soldier only survivor at end?Reporting a soldier missing only to be told he was one of the ones they are searching for.They're all dead ,just don't know it.Any thoughts?

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The girl was probably there at the beginning at the gun fight, as a Warning as after that they enter R-point past the Stone saying they can never come out.

Also I wondered if maybe there were no ghosts but we are being told the story by the survivor that could explain why the ending with the LT is so weird as he never gets to see what happend.

or maybe we have a group of Vietnamese people who are protecting the graves of their murdered ancestors buy killing eveyone who comes in and the girl could have been a last survivor of that group as we never know how long ago the french soldiers were there we don't know how long the time differece.

This film leaves you with more questions than answers but that what IMDb was created for I suppose

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I just thought the ghost could only enter through the eyes,the windows of the soul,so as the last guy left was blind,he would survive and warn of the dangers there?

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i do own the film my self as i thought it was just amazing,the whole story to it, the whole eerie ness of the set and the slow and painstaking task to make the film run the way it did,each of the soldiers in turn drop off one by one,why, (ill tell you soon)it just makes you feel that you are actually gettin the dilema the soldiers are in, its very creepieness that sucks you in to the plot because before the end you really do want them all to live, well i did any way, but as the film starts to drw to an end it goes over afew things,pay very close attention to the scene when they first arrive and want a picture taken,they show 2 pics been taken, one bye a young soldier who just got a very expensive camera,then by the apparent dead soldier who greeted them on the island,if you listen to the words of the soldier in the van explaining the camera will be here soon to just relax and then puts it in the glove compartment,thats the so called soldier we see thats gets really upset with the whole (you wrote chung sook an your helmet didnt you )part,watch the movie again and watch each of the soldiers as they aparently see ghosts, look really closely at the ghost they are (supposed to be looking at)then look really closely at the soldier lookin at the ghost, look how similar they look to each other,for insatance, the soldier walkin threw the bush when he hears and sees a soldier following him,look at the dead soldier and look at the soldier he shot in the shooting he set off,it breaks it down real clear how each soldier died,
you are correct the image on the back of the dvd cover is not in the movie, but ill tell you what,watch the film once more and then tell me you see whats going on,htey are the soldiers that went missing it tellls there story how they died and what actually went on on that island,no soldiers were sent in to look for 9 missing soldiers, (that is just to give the story its plot)just like the movie the sixth sence,its done in a way were you are being told what happened but you have to watch it again to get the story being told to you,they were the dead soldiers you were looking at and there faith wen they were sent to r-point,

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I thought the same as 'theblackmarble' that the end of the film is the beginning of the story. At first I feared that the film was incoherent. To my relief it soon seemed episodic, a bit like a fragmented nightmare. I thought afterwards that the Vietnamese woman could represent Vietnam-fought over by the French, Viet Minh, NVA, USA, S Korea etc. The derelict building was a bit like the monastery in the 'Name of the Rose' a representation of a mind with the soldiers being thoughts and feelings flowing around in it. If this works then all the points made about the story being about paranoia work. At the end the absence of bodies, clean floor and looming helicopter sound suggested to me that the survivor's blindness was also symbolic-foreigners will never learn that Vietnam is eternal and will outlast any invasion, so another cycle of the nightmare is beginning. Well, perhaps anyway. I was glad to have watched it-I didn't have to work too hard to get me money's worth, I would quibble though at the large number of NCO's in the group - weren't there any privates in the S Korean army?

Marlon the Cat 1991-17th October 2005

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