1) The whole massage-the-semen-out-the-hooker-and-inject-it-into-another-woman-to-frame-a-rape plot.
2) The killer keeps reminding Pacino that he's going to be killed in 88 minutes, but nonetheless tries to kill Pacino every 10 minutes.
3) The casually mentioned age difference between Pacino and his sister. I believe the line is "She was 12, I was 28." That line has been making me crack up for days.
Not that I'm defending this movie, but, to the first two posters:
1. The killer hired the hooker, and therefore would not have to massage anything out of her, because she'd been paid for her complicity, which is what one does with hookers, as I understand it. Also: ever heard of a condom?
2. Perhaps these continuous attempted murders are merely meant to be threatening, to heighten his fear, like warning shots, and were not intended to actually harm or kill him at the time. Seems like a reasonable conclusion.
3. The age difference has already been addressed in this thread. The fact that you find it weird says more about you than the filmmakers.
4. The fax in his apartment was broken, not the one at the office or at the school. She brought the papers to his apartment because they couldn't be received there; no problem with sending from the office fax.
I'd heard such terrible things about this movie, but it wasn't nearly as bad as I expected. It's silly, and kinda stupid, but isn't terribly awful.
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I have to agree with you on this one, 'cause it's one of the best films I've seen in months. Rather than 'plot holes', I'd say those are merely 'errors'. I like this type of films; somebody doesn't; let it be.
shareI agree with your disciplining of the first two posters, however, what I find hysterical in this film is when Al Pacino says the phrase, "...and then?" It sounded right out of "Dude, where's my car".
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Okay, I can't believe I thought of three more things:
1) Before Dr Gramm gets a chance to speak with Jon Foster on that "12 hours before execution video show", Jon Foster states something like "There's only one other person besides myself who knows I didn't commit these murders and that's Dr Jack Gramm". He is so emphatic in stating his "innocence" as if he's trying to get everyone to believe him but he's making a BIG mistake. Maybe you should mention there's two people who knows he didn't commit the murders - Dr Gramm and the "real" killer. Heck, if you forget to mention the "real" killer, not too ,many people are going to believe you are an innocent victim of blind justice.
2) The taped confession that Lauren Douglas (Lydia Doherty) gets Dr Gramm to confess. What court would ever accept that tape as an actual confession? She says "you coached Janie Cates" and he says "oh I coached Janie Cates all right".
3) Why did Pacino rent the cab from the driver? He has the driver ride around with him, so what's the point in renting it?
I'm going to stick with "silly & kinda stupid" to explain these other three things.
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What about the scene when Pacino and Judging Amy are both at the hooker's apartment, then Pacino leaves in the cab and five seconds later, Judging Amy is back at the office.
Oh and some one already said it, but big lolz at the killer aiming her gun at Pacino at the end.
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^^This. This movie wasn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be, many other films in recent years have wayyyy worse.
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HAHA My sister's are 18, 20, and 22 years older than me! Same parents. It happens.
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At the climax when Pacino gets to the top floor Sobieski is casually holding the rope, and therefore the whole weight of Unger through a loop on her belt with her left hand.
Then a couple of minutes later she is no longer holding it (using some kind of climbing clip?) because she is holding a gun with her right and a mobile phone, but still seems to be showing no strain whatsover.
When she pretends to drop Unger she stops her again with no real effort and then pulls her back up almost with ease.
Then when Pacino drops sobieski it takes both him and Forsythe to pull Unger back up to the top floor.
Stupid errors and Pacino doing his sleepy detective from 'Insomnia' act ruin what could have been a a decent thriller.
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What bothered me the most was that Pacino's character kept touching his female co-stars with increasing frequency throughout the movie, without any real need to do so. He was grasping Witt every other chance he got. Just touching and feeling their shoulders and making physical contact.
The second most annoying thing was that the first scene I got to see Sobieski in made me immediately understand that she was the killer. (the parking lot scene)
That Skeet Ulrich in Scream vibe.
By the way, were all the girls taller than Al? That must've been annoying.
Yeah Al is a teeny tiny little man, eh? All the women towered over him. Have they not heard of lifts? Maybe that's why his hair was sticking up all over the place.
Leelee was suspicious right from the "attack" in the stairwell.
Al seemed out of it in this, as if it were all a big table read. His delivery was just atrocious, phoning it in.
I am in a thousand winds that blow,
I am the softly falling snow.
Surely the funniest thing was that so much was made of the time, yet the film made 88 minutes seem like a few days!!...and is there any city anywhere in the world where someone can travel around and get to places in 4 or 5 minutes...look at when Al was in the taxi at the end I just knew when he got to the traffic light he'd leisurely stop and take a few minutes just browsing through the info he'd been sent.
Noel
It's been a while since I saw the movie but a little thing that bugged me (among dozens of things), and it is done in a lot of movies, was at the end he is racing to a building to save someone. Instead of driving as close as he can to the building, he parks like 50 yards away and runs the rest of the way. I know it is a small thing but it is done so much in movies to create a dramatic effect. If I was racing to save a life I think I would drive as close as possible.
shareNot to mention he's at his office at 11.40 and needs to be at that other building five minutes later. Which he somehow is. Getting out of his office and out of the entire university; getting in the cab; driving through town to that other place; getting out of the cab; entering that other place and locating that exact spot where that girl is holding the other girls hostage.
In five minutes.
Gah.
1. Jack is "too old" for Kim, but exactly old enough to have a little sister that died who was old enough to be his daughter at least.
2. 'Tick Tock Doc Tick Tock' it was flat out hilarious in the first 10 minutes of the film on the trial. I guess Forrestor had this mapped out before he was even sentenced then!
3. The soundtrack with the rap music always booming. It goes precisely well with Al Pacino's acting as if he regretted even signing up for this movie while filming it. This movie is the worst I have ever seen him 'act'.
Watched it on DVD last night and kept wondering why Forester kept blaming the whole thing on Al Pacino's character, when there was an eye witness to the killing.
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