At first I was hesitant to watch this after seeing the low rating on IMDB but I was actually pleasantly surprised! It's a light hearted film with some genuinely funny scenes (the whole hotel sequence when Firth is pants-less) that made me laugh out loud. I was pretty surprised about the low rating because usually I find IMDB to be pretty accurate and I rarely enjoy a film rated below a 6.
So, my theory for all the hate!
1) I did NOT realise this was a Coen Brother's film! If I had known that I probably would have had muuuch higher expectations and subsequently been disappointed! I would hazard a guess that many people specifically went to see this film because they were Coen Brother's fans and man, they must have felt let down because this is not nearly as clever nor entertaining as most of their films.
2) Cameron Diaz's accent. I'm not American so I can't say whether or not her accent was realistic but I have a sneaking suspicion it was a pretty atrocious caricature of a Texan accent. This probably grated on a lot of American viewers' nerves I would say. The same could be said of the overly stereotypical portrayal of the Brits as super posh foppish snobs (the Savoy staff, Rickman etc). I'm neither a Brit nor a Yank so I was pretty much able to ignore these stereotypes and enjoy the film. I checked the voter stats and apparently US voters marked this film at a fair bit lower than non-US voters which would make sense.
What say you? Did anyone else enjoy this film or can they explain why they thought it was a pile of poo? I quite enjoyed it :P
I don't actually get the X-Men references... Is there a character in X-Men called Gambit? I have seen all the X-Men movies but for the life of me I can't recall any Gambit..
Since it hasn't ever opened in America, and therefore, most Americans are unlikely to have even seen it, you could be right. Either that, or it isn't Americans who are rating it so poorly. I can't comment on how good or bad it is, because I am one of those Americans who are still waiting for it to be released here.
Hmmmm… the brothers didn't Direct it and they chose not to release it in America…maybe they knew it sucked. It was poorly cast, badly acted and was buried under desperate intentions.
The problem of the film is not dry humor, which has very little of, but crude humor - or rather crude jokes, since that is not humor. It basically resembles a poor Seth Rogen film.
Fanboy : a person who does not think while watching.
I just watched it and tend to agree with you, especially the first reason (do not have much ear for accents).
I read about it for months until I finally got to watch it, so my expectations were almost zero. More or less went to see it out of curiosity about WHAT exactly has made it one of the year's 10 worst films (as per Kermode).
AND enjoyed almost every minute of it. Definitely laughed quite a lot, but mostly just relished the dry humour, and the puns. I had, e.g., read that the jokes are on the low level of Colin Firth walking around trouserless. Watching the film, however, I found that after the dialogue in front of the receptionists with its absolutely delightful double-entendres, Colin Firth's walking from room to room - and from woman to woman - trouserless, always stumbling on one of the receptionists, was not in the least tasteless or senseless. I could go on and on.
I can indeed imagine how somebody could find the whole film totally unfunny: going in, expecting another Coens' film, finding out this was not the case, and just freezing. I don't think this can be helped, expectations are expectations and perceptions cannot be controlled - here I am actually quoting Firth. Though I now find PJ's advice to Harry Dean about stopping gritting - or was it grinding - his teeth all the time most useful. Chill out, critics, is what I would like to say, and this applies to Kermode whose opinions I usually respect quite highly.
I had also read, even before they started shooting, the Diaz was in every shape and form the wrong choice for the role: and found she was delightful. Now, I checked this with my significant other, since I needed a male eye: he enjoyed her immensely. He is actually very picky about comedies (plus a fan of the Coens, but I kept him in the dark about the Coens part ). Anything trite and overdone turns him off very quickly. However, PJ arriving at the Heathrow airport had him guffawing, as well as the "taming of the lion" scene in all of its patent absurdity, and he said the woman is sexy, attractive, you name it. He also admired her panache, and, much like the Major, found her hugely refreshing.
Also, I had read that the film perpetuates all the tired old stereotypes, only to find out, on viewing it, that it actually not only exploits, but subtly subverts them. In many ways it achieves this is through overdoing things: the Texan "cowgirl" is our stereotype quadrupled, the Japanese actually mention "doing the Japanese thing" - and of course they take it to an extreme. Switching over to "Zen" makes fun of our own New Age simulations of it. Again, I could go on.
And here I am repeating somebody on the board, since I could not find this in the reviews (where it should rightfully belong) - if one looks at things closely, the Texan girl is actually doing the most of mature philosophising in the film, the somewhat posh English gentleman with a total lack of "streetwise-ness" walks away with the prize, the Japanese actually win in a very Western way ...
I am planning to write a review of the film, as I think it has really taken a bad rap from the critics. However, I'll view it for the third time before committing myself.
I just wanted to put these two things in a separate post, since long posts are often not read in their entirety.
SPOILER ALERT!
First, to Colin Firth, should he ever care about what is written here - do not believe posters who say farce is not for you. Personally, I liked all the main characters, but your reactions to situations were a special source of pleasure. I did not like "Hope Springs" and I do honestly think some roles are better left to Hugh Grant, but in this film Harry Dean, in all his different moods, phases, and responses to situations, was one of the main sources of genuine delight.
Second, most viewers think there is no real romance in the film. Or none intended. Or all of it consciously and strictly avoided. My humble suggestion is, look at the last part again!
To me, it seems that the fact that PJ's suggestion to Harry Dean that he is good just as he is ("Bridget Jones I" - or the only REAL and watchable "Bridget Jones" - anybody?) gives Harry the strength to go through the last part in an impeccable manner says something about the two. Harry is so obviously transformed after that "you are good as you are" conversation.
Then, does anybody seriously think that PJ stole the Sisley painting for motives of gain? (Possible, of course, in the context of this comedy of the absurd, where there are twists at every turn and everybody cheats everybody, yet not quite plausible - what exactly was this Texas poultry plucker going to do to get monetary gain from the painting? Was it not more like a way to lure Harry Dean back to her?)
And finally, Harry Dean is not only upgrading her ticket at the end, but also mentioning that - besides Donald Trump who has an obsession with Picasso - there are billionaires IN TEXAS who might have the same kind of obsession ("endless opportunities"). So Texas is definitely very much on his mind. If one also remembers his face during taking leave of PJ, does anybody really think it was neutral?
I might be wrong - nor does it matter much! Everything is possible in this comedy of the absurd that alternates between understatement and overstatement and subverts our expectations at every turn. So I offer this interpretation as just one possibility.
But the very fact that things are left open and ambiguous speaks to qualities of the film that have been deplorably overlooked by its detractors. Once more, if one goes to see a film with very definite expectations and these are not fulfilled (i.e. "Gambit" is not another "Fargo"), the film simply has no chance ...
Why do you think PJ stole it? And when? She left Harry's place and the Sisley was on the wall still. Nooo, in fact I think it was Harry's present, his payment instead of 800,000 p. he promised. Or, still better, it was another clever Major's job. For her Texas rancho a copy surely will suffice... reply share
I think you are right, particularly in your second hypothesis, which is indeed ingenious.
Now if you are right - and the fake copy was the only compensation Harry Dean was giving to a woman who saved his life, that makes Dean one hell of a bastard. Which would not surprise me - after all, there IS the Coens' script behind this, and they are not overly sentimental, to put in mildly.
So what seems like a happy ending is actually just one "cad" winning some points over another "cad". Which actually makes the film edgier and zanier.
My case, a more romantic and sentimental one and obviously less likely for a Coens' film (OK, a Coens' film three times removed ), was indeed based on very flimsy "evidence" - there is a remote possibility that PJ visited Harry's flat between the lion scene and the airport parting scene. She obviously spent the night at Savoy and not on a couch in Harry's apartment, but we are not shown everything that happened between the two scenes.
I really had a slightly better opinion of Harry and particularly the Major. But then again, as far as PJ was concerned, Harry had not gained anything at that crucial night - and yes, the Major even worried that upgrading the ticket would look suspicious. (Harry's answer was priceless: you know me, I'll think of something).
I'll watch the ending once again, yet I do tend to agree with you. "Paying" the wages of someone who had helped him in a scheme involving a fake painting by giving them another fake painting (and making them believe it comes at huge emotional and monetary cost, so they would be really almost moved to tears) would be a suitable paradoxical ending for a farce of this kind. Which makes Harry's almost tearful eyes and fairly romantic facial expressions at the airport really cynical. Thereby making the film even better than I first thought.
So I watched the end once more. Which is kind of stupid of me, since with a movie that contains the absurd - though absolutely delightful - scene of a rodeo queen actually taming and binding up a lion one should not take logic too seriously.
I hope you will excuse me for the following digression.
One should not be too logical in analysing a film that obviously not exactly defies, but definitely has fun with logic.
Clearly, if one tries to be realistic, the very fact that Harry went to a building that ordinarily would have had all of the usual security devices activated, without having any proper authorisation and thus no hope of escaping the security cameras - well, the very fact is absurd.
I do not think the original script was too concerned about logic. Clearly we do not know how much of it was preserved, but my suspicion, based on other Coens' films but yet more on the internal structure of this particular film itself in the form in which it was actually produced, is that logic is not a priority . Logically, the lion should not be lying there, all tied up, and feebly protesting!, as Harry is at "serious" work changing the Haystacks at Dawn painting. But the lion is there and boy how much amusement he provides!
Back to the logical analysis. Harry tells the Major at the end of the film, "You'll see to it that she gets what we owe her", and the Major answers: "Certainly , Sir" - that's RIGHT after PJ discovers the painting and says, with obvious pleasure, "Oh, Harry Dean!". The Major then asks Harry whether they might perhaps upgrade her ticket, to which Harry responds "Yes, why don't we" - to which the Major, again realistic and cautious, responds "Seems like a bit of extravagance, how do you explain it?" To which we get Harry's priceless answer, "Oh you know me, I'll think of something".
So if one tries to be logical, the fake Sisley may have been wholly the Major's idea, who was feeling that poor Harry really needed help from someone more grounded. Harry, however, still felt that some part of that 10 million could be used to compensate PJ, while the Major probably disagreed - sending her what they owed her would certainly seem suspicious, since in her view the plan had flopped (what was the term. gone gooey?) and Harry was deprived of any substantial funds, reduced to counting his "quarters". As opposed to the Sisley painting, which, to her knowledge, Harry already owned.
There is, however, one logical snag: how did the Major know about PJ's admiration for, or even knowledge of, the value of a small painting in Harry's apartment? Did Harry really bother to tell him about this? Also, Harry is clearly under the impression that some money should be sent to PJ. Even if they concocted the faking of the Sisley together with the Major - which seems at least plausible - what about the "You will see to it that she gets what we owe her?" He does not seem to think that a fake Sisley would be enough. He is not a man very much in touch with reality, but at least in the euphoria of having pulled the stunt off successfully, he has a bout of generosity.
So the end is a tad enigmatic. Harry may, at least at the height of his euphoria, have been more generous than the Major, who, on his part, tried to keep the whole thing grounded. For me, all of this ambiguity adds to the value of the film.
To repeat, I understand those disappointed. Expectations! I also think that the marketing strategy that not only emphasised the Coens but almost reduced the film to them did a serious disservice to the film. It essentially backfired, and backfired badly.
I am a little bit skeptical, though, about the the unanimity of the critics - they do tend to have a group think of their own. Nary a critic except Ebert dared to say Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy might be confusing to viewers (mind you, I love the film - but not the one hundred critical reviews that parroted one another almost verbatim in totally empty praise). So Gambit has been condemned by the critics - again so unanimously one is not sure most of the critics actually had the time to even view the film. Condemned to the extent of practically killing the film.
I am not saying it is a great film. But neither is it the total failure it is being portrayed to be.
I remember being in raptures with "How to Steal a Million". Same theme, great cast, but things actually going smoothly as in Harry's first, daydreaming version. No loose ends, no ambiguity, and a GREAT, totally unambiguous romance between the main characters. The film was quite a hit at its time and is still admired by many. I admire it, too, since I am a human being and desperately need witty feel good movies once in a while. There were people on this board that actually expressed the view that if the first, unrealistic, daydreaming part of it would have been true and adventures added to this. it would have been a great film. That is, if it had been another "How to Steal a Million".
But an ambiguous film, with romance undermined, with not positive characters, with no unambiguous plot that logically and inexorably leads to a happy ending, is something I do welcome, too, or actually even more. More often than not. there is exactly the gap between the ideal plan and how things turn out in reality ...
One can criticise the pacing, one can critisise everything the director did - and as per me, the director was definitely the weakest link in the team. But a rating below even 6 is not remotely fair. It is a combination of wrong expectations (fuelled by wrong marketing) and the group think of the critics.
Firstly, I'm grateful to you for your thoughts and reasons low rating concerned. Very helpful, surely.
As for the mess we got in the film, we can't tell who's responsible. Maybe the script... maybe filmmakers... but obviously the director was the weakest part, you're right in that, too. Some more enthusiastic and bright man might succeed in making the actors play in stile, as delightful ensemble, and enthusiastic too. Whereas now we can see actors which are quite good, but apart. Well... at least I managed to survive seeing Diaz so much, but still, best scenes of hers were those where she never opened her mouth, LOL...
Nevertheless, whether might or not PJ steal Sisley, I think never. She might agree to cheat, because it was a deal, and it's fun and Lionel is a real cad, and so on, but not to steal. It's not fun. You see, in real life of course some poor farm girl might do this, to crawl in Harry's place for the picture she liked, but not in this movie. It would be over top even for Gambit, which alas is so messed up that I can't tell I'm capable to bind all end up. Less than all.
When PJ sees the Sisley in her bag she thinks "Oh, Harry Dean!" Which looks like Dean organized that - like a payment PJ? But then he's saying "You'll see that she gets..." So, he thinks they didn't that yet. That's because I think the Sisley was fake. But... what might possibly does it mean? Money? Surely PJ can't expect some payment from him! And imagine, he's going to fly to Texas... Well, now I'm at a loss.
Maybe some day I may guess something somehow. I don't know. Maybe they had no idea what will become of that shooting they did, too? Say, to steal a vase, when you're through such a clever money-making plot is rubbish, if you ask me.
First off, watched the movie for the third time - and am not ashamed of this. In the 19th century, and partly also in the 20th, most writers proceeded from the assumption that their poems - and novels - would be read several times. In a poem, the first stanza only acquired its true meaning after one had read the last one, etc. Anyway, on the third viewing I noticed many delightful details, cross-references, etc. (Even when Harry says "a woman I have grown to admire and respect" there is a direct echo of Darcy's first proposal "how much i have gron to love and admire you" - a passing allusion, no real meaning, but nice anyway). The Major painting a Jackson Pollock picture, for instance, is something that has grown on me ... The cat that forebodes the lion is delicious.
Now PJ and the painting. I agree PJ did not steal it - mea culpa! But I do not think it is a mess - or a string of plotholes - either.
I had forgotten the scene where Harry, totally stripped of money, was looking for his "quarters" - but also has taken his Sisley off the wall. (With the Major narrating it all - though that goes for the whole film, of course). He would not be selling the picture - at least I don't think so, he is really in love with it - but he might have asked the Major to make a fake copy and try to sell this. Desperate times call for desperate measures . He might have also mentioned, during this process, that PJ loved the painting.
So when things finally went well, the fake was already there but not necessary any more. There was the scene at the airport where the Major hugged PJ, and she had that delicious sack of hers over her shoulder and open. I am sure that this is where the Major put the painting (in not much wrapping, BTW) in her sack. Harry looked on, so I think the plan was shared by the two men. Harry's expression during the scene is really worth watching.
When she was asked the usual question at the airport about whether she had packed her bag herself or received any gifts (so familiar for any frequent flier!), she answered no but then noticed the gift. Fake, of course, but the Major was good at his craft. She had actually liked the painting as a painting, not for its value. And just like with wine, for most people a 10 euro wine is not different from a 100 euro wine.
Now this was at a moment where the deal with the Japanese had not yet gone through. Harry, of course, was an inveterate optimist, but the Major was the grounded one, and cautious to the last moment.
When Harry says "You'll see that she gets...", he really has the money on his account. The Major is worried about how to explain upgrading the ticket to PJ - though he himself had suggested the idea. He would worry even more about a substantial sum of money sent to PJ. But perhaps Harry will really "think of something". He has been shown as a total loser throughout the film, but he did manage to carry out the plan that had actually been born at the very beginning of the film (the idealistic, irreal part, notice there is just one moment when Harry contemplates Haystacks Dawn and one can almost see the idea emerging). He is not a total loser, rather an underdog who for once has got "money and manners - the pork and beans of a man".
It's anybody's guess what he will do for PJ. At least at the moment of euphoria, he seems generous. But then again, PJ had had a glorious adventure, had run up huge sums for Harry to pay ... While on the other hand saving his life.
The vase episode, I agree, was pretty preposterous - how on earth did he plan to get it out of the hotel? But it was a GENUINE Ming, worth a HUGE amount of money - and he was quite desperate, with those endless reams of paper rolling out from the machine - all the expenses for him to cover. I do not think he did not have a plan - get it out through a ground floor room, perhaps. Or a back door.
I do not think the film is worth the wrath of the critics. After the third viewing, I actually started to like it more and more. Yes, it is a total mixture of styles, but so what? A mixture of styles demands a mixture of pacing - slower where there are puns and other verbal humour ("At least he is wearing a tie"!), and especially when Harry reacts to different situations - the gamut of his expressions is really worth watching, faster when I lion is bound up. Firth is downplaying his role - but his role IS that of a stereotypical English gentleman, squared or quadrupled. Diaz is playing with broad strokes, but then HER role is that of a stereotypical Texan girl, again, quadrupled. The styles and paces clash, but again, so what? For me, it was a source of enjoyment. Stereotypes are exploited, but also subverted here.
So it is reproached with not fitting into the framework of a feist. But aren't there plenty of films already that do fit in? Why not have something that is weird, quirky - and different ...
Lots of what you've been stating make sense, say, the moment Harry took Sisley from the wall... I really quite forgot about it, but now I may remember when I saw this I thought he's going to sell it.
I usually must see the film not once, and very often I do this. So, in the moment have nothing important to say. The picture is mixed in my mind still.
And BTW some people who've seen test screening, like it best. The final editing surprised them in unpleasant way. Hardly there's any sense in asking to retell the film those who saw it only once, and a while ago.
Thanks for the reply! I was genuinely intrigued by "And BTW some people who've seen test screening, like it best. The final editing surprised them in unpleasant way". According to what I have seen on youtube of the contractually mandatory promotional interviews, Firth did not seem to like the final version either.When asked to comment on the director, he (as a gentleman:)) had lots of positive things to say, but not ANYTHING about his directing. The body language between him and Diaz is interesting to observe, too.
But, as I said, I saw these other things before seeing the film itself. So my expectations were not zero but far below it, as a matter of fact. Perhaps it was this contrast that made me appreciate the film more than the average viewer?
Probably got a low score because it's yet another bloody remake. The original film is from 1966 and stars Michael Caine, Shirley MacLaine and Herbert Lom (as Shahbandar).
Her accent wasn't great, but it wasn't bad enough to put people off.
Smart little films like this haven't been doing well lately. Everything has to either be a huge spectacle, or be fairly dark and violent. I think poor marketing, an "intellectual" leading man, and the filmmakers doing an amazing job of making this a classic style film are the culprits.
Most people don't think "How charming, we're watching a really well made classic style film." They think, "This is like an old movie, what the hell is this?"
I'm consistently blown away at how everything the Cohen Brothers touch feels like a small masterpiece.
Did anyone else notice that they strongly hint at the twist in the opening animation? So clever and well done. I really enjoyed this movie.
No The Coen brothers aren't the Mastercreators you think they are. They've done some horrible movies (including this one) The movie was good enough but not funny enough to be considered a comedy nor serious to be taken seriouly. I liked the twist in the end but having seen the original I'd say "If you don't have something better to say, say nothing"
My wife and I saw this the other night and thought it had it's moments and was well paced at 87 mins. Nothing special, 2 and 1/2 stars in my mind. There are far worse movies that make it into general release so we wondered why VOD. I thought Alan Rickman was funny and nearly stole the show.
I personally found it thoroughly entertaining. I had to be patient and wait for the US DVD release and totally worth the wait. YES, Diaz is awful. But teaming of Firth and Rickman, Coen bros. signature wit and dialogue and staging of scenes totally make up for it.
I had no idea of the Coen connection until the opening credits rolled. I saw it streaming on my pC via Netflix. It was wonderfully funny. I'm amazed that it went straight to DVD due to pre-screening assessments. I'd enjoyed Gambit back in 1966 and saw it again on cable a couple months ago. This film stands on its own despite the similarity in the premise of pulling a con on a billionaire.
Stanley Tucci's character based on Albert Schweitzer? I know he was a musician and a medical doctor humanitarian. Didn't know he was an expert on Walloon art.
Colin was terrific, Cameron was Texan, Alan stole every scene he was in and the whole script and scenery was enjoyable.