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Don't you feel a little sorry for him?


I do realize that the way Hanssen was portrayed in Breach could cause sympathy for him, and I realize that Hanssen was a pretty cold hearted bast****.

But throughout the entire film, I felt no sympathy for this man at all (mainly because he caused at least 3 murders).

However when I read that he spends 23 hours a day in solitary confinement, I was horrified. Here is a man who knows that he will have only 1 hour a day of human contact for the rest of his life. All for what? For violation of the Espionage Act which he pled guilty to. For $1.4 million in U.S. secrets that, in the end, didn't do that much damage (or at least visible damage).

So far, I don't think he deserves 23 hours a day in solitary confinement. Then I come to another reason he was imprisoned: For the lives of at least 3 people. However, Robert Hanssen didn't kill these people directly. And even murderers don't get 23 hours of solitary confinement a day.

In the end,I guess that when you kill an American, you get a life sentence without possibility of parole. But when you double-cross America, you get a life sentence without possibility of parole and 23 hours/day of solitary confinement.

What do you think?

"Heavy lies the crown."
Jack Nicholson, The Departed

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What he did was Treason. Bottom line. You are right though, he doesn't deserve to be locked away by himself for 23 hours a day. He deserves the death penalty.

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A few facts first.

A judge determines the final sentence (except in death penalty cases where a jury must decide whether or not the person gets death in a separate hearing).

The warden of a prison determines the lockup arrangement of each prisoner (solitary confinement, placing, etc.).

These arrangements are not based on the crime. They are based on the prisoner's status (e.g. they are a celebrity, they are convicted of a sex crime with a minor, their previous job [many ex-cops get solitary confinement due to the risk of retaliation], etc.)

The Lockup arrangement is not based off the crime. It is based off of the risk to the prisoner and the potential danger for unrest.

That being said...

In this case Hanssen was a high risk (due to the fact that his crime was high profile and against the US). His sentence was for life (not solitary confinement). the decision to put him in solitary confinement was up to the warden (murders of other inmates do not reflect well upon the warden and his organization). Solitary confinement is not rare and happens to many high profile criminals for THEIR protection (not as punishment).

Is it inhumane? Probably. Is life a fair sentence? More than likely. In the end, is it safer for him to be in solitary confinement? Definitely.

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Spies are traditionally executed. That would be the alternative. That's what can be done on a battlefield in wartime. Spies continue to be dangerous, even after they are caught, because they can still divulge information. Keeping him locked up in 23 hour a day lockdown is par for the course.

In terms of human contact, the only human contact the man has are with prison staff. He gets monitored visits behind glass with family several times a year, and can write letters to them (again, monitored).

Keep in mind, that this man is known to have been responsible for at least 3 deaths, and exposed at least 50 US agents. In addition, we know for a fact that secrets that he sold to the Russians, like the PROMIS software, eventually wound up in the hands of Al Qaeda, and God knows who else, through the Russian black market. They used some of that to set up their underground financial network, which was used to fund, among other things, 9/11. That's an indirect link, but a real one. Ultimately, we'll never know the full extent of the damage that this man did to the country, some of which probably still has yet to occur.

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I wouldn't feel bad if he was in solitary 24 hours a day. He deserved to be executed. He committed serious crimes and knew the consequences, including the death of people who were working with the US. He wasn't desparate for money, he had no political agenda, he just wanted to see if he could get away with it and he also is portrayed as having bitterness with the FBI. His crimes were also very calculated and thought out - he did it, got away with it, thought about what he did and the consequences, and then did it again. And again and again. There is not much mitigation there. I do feel sorry for his children.

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I feel sorry for any human being that is suffering. But remember, look at the suffering Robert Hanssen caused. When put in that context, then no, I don't feel very sorry for him. During the 23 hours per day that Robert Hanssen spends in solitary confinement, I wonder if he feels sorry for all of the misery he caused his victims and their families.

If you want to feel sorry for someone, feel sorry for guys that are innocent of a crime they are convicted of and are sent to death row. Take a look at Ron Williamson, the main character of John Grisham's non-fiction book "The Innocent Man". There are innocent men convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The Innocence Project has freed at least 180 men by DNA testing.

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All lifers and death row inmates stay in their cells except for one hour where they are allowed to walk around in a caged fence.

It's just the way things are.

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No... The guys a traitor..

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And I'd be willing to bet you don't understand how this works.

True, there is a lot of useless sh!t that's classified, but they weren't paying him for that useless sh!t. If they were going to shell out money, they wanted the stuff that they could use.

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No, not at all. Not even one little bit.
And neither should you.

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Well...
He was doing the his job, he turned it upside down (switched the sides) and kept doing the same good job for the other side. Not good enough, obviously, since he got caught.
Death penalty is on-the-surface solution, but is really a waste of a great mind. Anybody disagree that man able to be undiscovered by counterintelligence in two decades has a great mind? The solitary confinement is another solution and a better one, I think. He might be doing some work in his field, but in controlled environment.
And, of cource, nobody will know what is the deal, why he's still alive and the real amount of traded secrets, unless they are involved in the case to the fullest extent.
Not sorry for him - for his type of mind solitude isn't a punishment.

Movie is mediocre, like any on the subject of intelligence. Not too bad, but lacks intelligence part of intelligence services. :)

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He should not be in prison. He should be buried in a pauper's Grave.

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What I totally fail to understand is why a man of Hannsen's obvious caliber would allow his fingerprints to be on any document at all. I mean, this is Defense 101!

Either we are not being told the truth, or he did a physical drop just prior to retiring to expose the "sleeping tiger."

A man of his capabilities, which are similar to mine, would never even consider driving alone to a drop sight, 1950's style, and planting documents of critical importance to the national security in a manner from some B-grade movie, or Lee Harvey Oswald caliber.

He could have used many means to overwhelm the agency, or to get the data across via a distant ham radio station or other means that would leave no trail whatsoever. I know of other means that I will not list here, because this post is world-wide, after all.

I do not believe that the final drop occured the way it is being told, or, if it is, likely a MAD magazine was in the package and they prosecuted him for his prior offenses.

He would be "dumb as a bag of hammers" to do what he did as shown, and dumb he is not.

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I agree 23 hours a day of isolation is a bit harsh.
But I suppose the goverment wanted to make an example out of him.
I think it's down to luck he didn't cause more damage, and any espionage no matter how great or insignificant a damage it caused would need severe consequences.

The movie wasn't very good, and I hope the one they make about the Russian who got killed in London will be better.
This one needed a touch of The Good Shepherd and The Good Shepherd needed a touch of Breach.
Alas, we are stuck with two mediocre movies.

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i agree. he shouldn't be spending 23 hours a day in lockdown, he should be dead. you say he didn't "directly" kill anyone? so, if i hire someone to kill you, and they succeed, because i didn't actually pull the trigger, i shouldn't be punished? FYI, betraying america, in the way he did, affects more people that killing someone. you should really think about what you're saying before you post.

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