The biggest problem with the movie.
The fact both men were involved with other people. The real "forbidden love" here was that they were both cheaters. How can really "cheer" for their romance? I felt bad for both women.
shareThe fact both men were involved with other people. The real "forbidden love" here was that they were both cheaters. How can really "cheer" for their romance? I felt bad for both women.
shareThe biggest problem with this movie was portraying two mentally ill men as victims of their own bad decisions in life, and acting like they should have been glorified for behaving this way. There's a reason many people, including my dad, have called this film "Brokedick Mountain."
sharebased and gaypilled
shareAnd what is the reason that many people, including your dad, have called this film "Brokedick Mountain"? Seriously I don't get the joke. Do you think gay men break their penises when having sex or is there something more subversive I'm missing?
Pleasant as always, AmeriGirl. You're a peach.
I've seen parts of it on TV and the problem for me was the 'ageing' of the characters. Hard to make guys in their 20s look middle aged.
shareThey were with other people (i.e. women) because they were in denial over their sexuality.
They didn't set out to betray their wives, but because of the stigma of their sexuality (which, remember, was still illegal in 14 U.S. states prior to 2003) they felt compelled to repress those feelings.
But still actively chose to be with those women knowing what feelings they were harnessing.
shareBecause they believed they could suppress their feelings.
Remember, until recently, homosexuality was seen as an illness (some bigots still believe it is). Few people wanted to accept they had this 'illness', and so they forced themselves to live false lives.
Of course they were wrong to live this lie, but society pushed them into that lie. If they had openly lived as homosexuals they would have been imprisoned, sectioned or killed, as Jake Gyllenhaal's character was.
I'm not denying that the were wrong to live like that and that it was society's fault, but why be with a woman at all?
shareBecause that was what society expected of them, at least in Ennis's case
shareBut they still dragged innocent people into it. Both wives did nothing wrong.
shareIt was not a matter of the wives doing anything wrong. It was a matter of needing to appear straight to blend into society and be accepted. As society has changed over the years, it happens less, but still even happens today.
And both men, like most of the time in real life, did care for their wives. It is not like they 'used' them. They just had sexual desires that could not be fulfilled by their wives.
A lot of the time, because society, historically speaking, raises everyone assuming they are straight, they do not even realize they are gay until they have an experience that awakens that side of them. Look how long they both denied it, esp Ennis.
I felt the theme of wanting something so badly but not being able to have it is what really made this movie one of my favourite romance stories of all time. The longing and desire but having to do what society thinks is right just tugs on my heartstrings and makes me really empathize with both Ennis and Jack.
It is not like they 'used' them. They just had sexual desires that could not be fulfilled by their wives.
there wives werent good wives quit being hateful
shareThese guys didn't see any options, other than to suppress their feelings, and do their damndest to BE straight. Homosexuality just wasn't part of the world they knew, Ennis at least didn't know any gay people or anything about gay culture. Maybe he'd heard of gays coming together in San Francisco and campaigning for gay rights, but that was thousands of miles away, in an environment as alien to him as Antarctica, and where he'd have as much chance of fitting in as if he'd gone to stay in an Emperor penguin colony. So, they got married, had kids, tried to live what they'd been told was a normal life and the only respectable way to live. And if they had the occasional weekend together, well, they weren't the only man in town who was cheating on his wife.
And no, these men weren't presented as idealized or heroes, they were presented as people whom fate had given no good options.
But still it's deceitful. These women were with men who didn't want to be with them. Their entire marriages were a lie because their husband were scared of coming out. Let's just say Ennis and Jack were attracted to other women and kept it from their wives because of fear what their wives would think, would that be any different? No one would want to be married to someone who is living a lie but this movie expects us to be okay with it because it's gay cheating instead of straight cheating.
shareLet's just say I have more sympathy to their situation than you do. I work in the helping professions, and deal with real people who have no good options, and who have to choose between courses of action that will all lead to unhappiness if not disaster. That's how the world IS for some people.
Yes, they were doing wrong by their wives, the best thing I can say is that they made an attempt to do the honorable thing, and BTW they probably knew quite a lot of guys who were worse husbands. Yes, that was a bad option that led to unhappiness for themselves and their wives, but there just weren't any good options. Staying together probably would have resulted in social ostracism or being murdered by their neighbors, going to the city without education or job skills would have meant poverty and alienation, staying bachelors in rural Wyoming would have meant wondering when a longing glance would give them away and the righteous neighbors would get out the tire irons.
"I work in the helping professions"
I have never heard anything more self-important and smug.
I've actually been using that phrase for years now, because I've always had a blanket policy of not telling anyone on the late IMDB or current Moviechat boards anything personal about myself - not even what I do for a living. I do that because there are, and always have been, some real nutcases on these boards.
And some real assholes.
i never watched this gay movie but i would guess the biggest problem with the movie is it is too gay...
shareActually, the biggest problem is that Ennis never found another guy to have a little cheaty fun with.
Sure, nobody was out in rural Wyoming, but that doesn't mean that there wasn't any quiet action going on.
some men arent interested women its a not mental illness its a choice
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