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I think its a generation thing


I'm 19, this came out while I was 14 or 15 I think. I've noticed that my generation seems to love this movie and prefer it to the original, and the generations in front of us seem to loathe this movie. I think part of it depends on how much you love the original.

I'm a huge horror fan, and I respect and appreciate the original for being such an important movie for the genre. But I find it kind of corny and boring.

and this one definitely isn't perfect, theres a few things I hate about it
-too many of the characters talk the same. too much cursing
-some of the violence is unnecessarily graphic
-I thought the rape scene was pointless, and it was just added to be shocking

but overall, I LOVE this one and actually prefer it to the original, just my opinion. But I definitely think its a generation thing.

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It's defiantly a generation thing. I'm 18 and my friends don't like the original and that's because its moves have been repeated so many times. That's the only reason. I love the original. I was lucky enough to see it when I was young so it was scary. And I've loved it and the genre for years. When I saw the remake I also thought it was great. Its a good horror movie in its own right but also respectful of the original. Though I don't think you can technically pick a better one if I had to compare I actually think I like them both about the same. But from what I see I'm the minority. The older generation cant look beyond the power and originality of the original in 1978 and the younger generation is just so used to seeing its copies and can't be blamed.

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I give them both a 6/10.



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I haven't seen the 2007 version yet, but surely it can't be worse than the original (which I just watched). I give the original a very generous 5/10 because quite frankly it is a below average movie.

I'm sick and tired of people giving high scores to a movie just because it's old and they feel nostalgic.

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In your opinion, which is highly biased and flawed, I might add, which only says more about you as a person than anything.

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I was 17 when this first came out and I didn't like it at all. Rob Zombie ranges from terrible to mediocre. The original is great and I gave that one a 7, this however deserves a 5 at best.

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I think time will tell. I didn't think it was a pimple on the ass of the original personally. However, I remember older people hated John Carpenter's "The Thing" ,which was a re-make of a 1950's movie, when it first came out. Now it's a cult classic and more highly regarded than the original. I don't see that happening with Zombie's "Halloween" (although it is far, far better than his "Halloween 2"), but someday pretty soon the old people like me will be dead or drooling down their chin in some nursing home, so if the Zombie film is considered the classic then, you're view will be vindicated.

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I'm sick and tired of people judging an older movie by modern standards. You have to look at a movie within the context of the time period in which it was made. Movies were generally slower paced back in the day and up until the 60s and 70s acting was much more 'stagey' than it is now. It doesn't mean they're worse, just a different style, which often doesn't appeal to today's low attention spanned internet/cell phone generation. Judging an old movie the same way you would a modern movie would be like judging a 3 year old child on the basis of what a 13 year old can do.

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Very well put.

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No, it wasn't. It's rubbish.

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No we don't "have to" look at the sociological/economical/political context of the 70s-80s, no we don't have to take technological limitations and low budget into consideration. All of those things are only EXCUSES and you know it.

The truth is any terrible movie can be elevated to "good for its time" if you use any or all of those poorman excuses. e.g. 30 years from now nostalgic fanboys and simpleton hipsters like you will say that Sharknado and Clash of the Titans 3D are classic masterpieces and were great for their time considering the context and X excuse + X irrelevant factor that has nothing to do with how crappy the movies actually are.

We all very well know that a movie can have high budget and still suck just like low budget movies can be great. And we know that a movie can create great ambiances and believable/effective effects without using cheap CGI/3D or whatever "new unfamiliar tech" is cool at the moment. So if a movie decides to use CGI or 3D instead of using puppets, models and costumes, that's their choice. We don't say "hey it was still ok for their time, it's not their fault if CGI/3D was bad at the time.", no. They very well knew the limitations of the technology and still decided to try it. Just like everyone is currently jumping on the 3D bandwagon even though it's really stupid and doesn't add anything.

YOU made the decision to attach importance to time-relative excuses and use those to elevate the score of a bad or under-average movie. That's your opinion and no one elses but your opinion doesn't matter to me. You can try to sell me any excuse as to why the original Halloween is supposed to be a masterpiece but I'm not buying it. To me it will always be an under-average movie. Because it is if you unbiasedly consider all the movies faults and don't try to excuse/justify it or elevate it because of silly reasons like being one of the first iconic slashers and being a successful low budget independent film.

Do not make the mistake again of thinking that your opinion is more right than mine. I will not be responding to your bigotries in the future.

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When did I say that my opinion was more right than yours? An opinion, by definition, can't be right or wrong. And if you think I was implying that my opinion was more right than yours by saying I was sick and tired of people judging older movies by modern standards, then I don't see how I implied that any more than you did by saying you were sick of people saying older movies were great just because they are old and feel nostalgic. Seems a bit hypocritical of you to chastise me for basically doing the same thing you did. I really can't stand people that can dish it out, but not take it.
And I don't quite understand your logic. Since the technology of the time was limited, they should have known better and not bothered?? And I highly doubt anyone will be saying movies like Sharknado are classics 30 years from now or even 30 minutes from now. What a ridiculous comparison. With Halloween, we're talking about a genre-defining classic. Nowhere near the same league that the movies you mentioned are in.
If you don't personally like Halloween or think it is a good movie, then fine. That's your opinion. One which I disagree with because I do think it is a good movie. And I don't think that just because it's old and I'm nostalgic. Halloween came out before I was even born, so there's no way I can be nostalgic about it. I didn't have a problem with you disagreeing with the mainstream opinion of this movie. What I had a problem with was you saying that people only say that because it's an old movie, which is ridiculous. And you DO have to look at the time period in which movies are made when judging certain aspects of them. It's not an excuse. It's common sense. For example, Psycho was an extremely shocking and graphic movie when it was released in 1960, because up until that time, nobody had ever seen that degree of violence in a movie. But obviously, by today's standards, the violence in Psycho is tame. And anyone with any sense can tell you that you can't watch it and judge it by the standards of a modern horror movie as far as the violence goes.
In closing I would just like to say that if you are no longer going to respond to my 'bigotries' in the future, then I would like to thank you because it will save me the time of arguing with someone who can't process simple concepts, not to mention someone who is hypocritical for calling me a bigot, when what I said was no more bigoted than what they said. I supposedly can't tolerate the opinions of people who judge old movies with modern standards and you supposedly can't tolerate the opinions of people who like old movies just because they are old (although I must confess I don't know a single person who likes any movie for this reason and this reason alone), so I don't see how I am any worse than you. Also, I know you're closing statement isn't true. You will still respond to me, no matter how unfounded your argument is, because you seem like the type that always has to have the last word. Looking forward to hearing from you again! :)

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I agree that all movies should me measured with the same measureing tape.

And the original has some pretty cheesy scenes, like the sex scene and such which are embarassing/awkward/painful.

But I still think it's better, it is way more atmospheric and creepy, even if it's overacted and cheesy at turns. Neither film is a masterpiece but I'm 25 and I prefer the original.

And a film such as The Godfather, or 12 Angry Men, they hold up against a new film in every category, acting-wise, storywise, skillwise.

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What is this nonsense post? You sound really dumb...

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I judge older films the exact same way I do modern films. I'm not going to give something a pass because it's older. A great movie will be a great movie no matter how much time has passed.

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Well, that's not a very smart thing to do. Black and white films, low budget films aren't as CGI heavy, colored, better actors hired. Technology, money and most importantly, the mindset of the writer, which changes *drastically* from 1978 to 2014, should all be key factors in respecting a film. Love a film for what it had to work with at the time.

"He came home." - Dr. Sam Loomis from the original HalloweeN

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I disagree. Sure, I'll look at a certain older film a bit differently than a newer one, but all the rules still apply since at the core a great movie has a great story and great characters. If we're talking about Halloween, I respect what John Carpenter and everyone did when making it on a pretty low budget, and I respect what it did for the genre. But, as much as I enjoy it, I don't see it as the perfect horror movie, or even the perfect slasher film.

For example, movies like Casablanca or Citizen Kane are great even by today's standards. Hell, the best movie I've ever seen is Harakiri, which is a black and white Japanese film that came out in 1962. I'll put it up against any film that has been made before or since and Harakiri is still better.

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Yours is a unique perspective, and I respect that. There are people out there, though that throw older movies under the bus because they aren't as elaborate or sophisticated/complicated as movies are now. Some even go more for the gore factor than the storytelling style. A lot of things to consider when it comes to older movies. A lot less to work with. Plus it's on the backs of these older, simpler movies, that other films are able to thrive.

Halloween wasn't a slasher film as far as blood, guts and gore is concerned, but it did pave to the way for others to try to emulate and surpass it's style.


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Yeah, it upsets me when people dismiss an older film or a black and white film and consider them inferior to modern movies. The age doesn't factor in how I judge it, I just love movies.

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The director was in his 40s when he made this and most likely a fan of the original. Maybe when you get older you will also realize just how much of a stinker this movie is.

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I was 37 when Rob Zombie's version of "Halloween" came out and loved the original John Carpenter version growing up (it had been the benchmark for all other slashers for me for years). Having said that, I will agree that the original appears dated and simplistic since the plot, style, etc. has been done again and again ad nauseum in many knock offs over the past several years not to mention the sequels and reboots that predated the remake.

I detested the Zombie version at first but have come to appreciate what he was attempting to do in making it more gritty and visceral. I feel that he went too far with the sleazy, redneck aesthetic (even moreso in the wretched "Halloween II"). What he could have done well with was cutting down the back story and making Michael Myers more enigmatic along with his family and what worked for me in the original was the evil/death figure lurking in the midst of the security of suburban Mid Western America. Rob Zombie made everybody sleazy and unlikeable in his version and I did not really care about any of them. The Laurie Strode and Dr. Loomis characters are good examples of this. Laurie in the original was the unlikely heroine who uses quick thinking to escape the Shape and save the children (although she should have left with the kids) and I loved Donald Pleasance as a man of science who has accepted that Michael Myers is supernatural and must redeem himself by destroying the "evil." In the remake, Laurie is a loud, obnoxious, whiny brat and Dr. Loomis is an arrogant, self-serving cad. There was a part in the movie where Laurie is escaping Michael Myers in the remake and it hits it's stride only to fall flat.

I look forward to when this trend of remakes and back stories for Boogeymen ends and someone comes up with a new, innovative horror film that incorporates suspense and horror perfectly.

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I'm 42. I love the original, and I love RZ's versions as well.

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I'm 22 now and I grew up with the original Halloween, Friday the 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street. The NOES remake was TERRIBLE. That's all I'm going to say. The Ft13th remake was good but didn't do anything different, it was too safe. However, the Halloween remake was amazing I think. Going into Myer's backstory was a great idea and the film was extremely unsettling. Only Requiem for a Dream, Hellraiser, American Psycho and Clockwork Orange have given me similar feelings. However, there were things I didn't like about it.

Pretty much every character was white trash. This greatly annoyed me.
The main heroine was a slut, which makes you lose respect for her.
Too much rape. Really, was that necessary?

Other than that I loved it. Michael Myers aside, this was a *beep* film. However, Myers' story arc was amazing and he elevated his status from generic slasher villain to a much more deeper, rooted character. His story arc is possibly my favorite out of all horror movie villains, maybe with the exception of Alex DeLarge. I think some people (NOT all) just hate on the originals to seem "older and wiser" as in "you kids don't know what you're talking about, the original is the best". I guess they think they're cool, I don't know.

The sequel, however, was trash.

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LOL oops I meant I think some people (NOT all) just hate on the REMAKES to seem "older and wiser" as in "you kids don't know what you're talking about, the original is the best". I guess they think they're cool, I don't know.

That was hilarious.


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Good post, dream_demon. Expectations, loyalty (sometimes misplaced) to originals, and cynicsm about remakes all play into it. The reason I think this movie is every bit, if not more, of a masterpiece than Carpenter's film is because it isn't a cell-by-cell re-write. It is "here's the story from the inside point of view." Following Meyer's disintigration in the institution was brilliant, and only when it became a hack and slash at the end did it fall into the same old same old. Carpenter's original was brilliant too, but for different reasons. If younger people (I am in my 50's) like this film, that says a lot more about their ability to get into a character-driven story than I would have thought, and that's a good thing.

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I'm 22 now and I grew up with the original Halloween, Friday the 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street. The NOES remake was TERRIBLE. That's all I'm going to say. The Ft13th remake was good but didn't do anything different, it was too safe. However, the Halloween remake was amazing I think. Going into Myer's backstory was a great idea and the film was extremely unsettling. Only Requiem for a Dream, Hellraiser, American Psycho and Clockwork Orange have given me similar feelings. However, there were things I didn't like about it.

Pretty much every character was white trash. This greatly annoyed me.
The main heroine was a slut, which makes you lose respect for her.
Too much rape. Really, was that necessary?


What movie did you watch? Laurie didn't even have a boyfriend and didn't sleep with or make reference to having slept with anyone. You have to be thinking of a different movie.

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I'm 18 and I was 12 when it came out.

I think it's an okay movie, nothing beats the original. I feel like if anyone else directed it, it would've been so much better - it's too white trash for my taste. The female characters were great, but the males, they just didn't execute it well enough, in my opinion.

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I'm 103 and I was 94 when it came out.

I think it's a decent movie, nothing beats the original. I feel like if anyone else directed it, it would've been so much better. It's just so darn trashy. I was 65 when the original came out, and I thought it was great even though it was considered somewhat shocking for the time.

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Michael is a cry baby pussy who no one understands in the remake.

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I saw this again on AMC last night. It's already seven years old...I think the movie had some real meat on it. I think if we forget about the original Halloween to stop making comparisons this is a good horror movie. The problem I had is most of the acting was horrible. But I do think Scout gave a kick ass performance during her lengthy chase scenes. The over all movie had a lot of meat on it....

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I saw this for the first time last night on IFC, I think it was.

It was good enough to keep me watching, but I didn't like the overuse of cussing, the overuse of gore, and the way they tried to make us sympathize with Michael. Part of what I like about the original is that Michael was just evil and we don't know why, and I didn't feel like he seemed to have grown up in an abusive/trashy-talking household. To me the normalcy of the family made it all that more creepy.

I thought the best recast of the teens was the Linda actress. Laurie was a decent actress, but she seemed too perky to me, I felt like I was watching Beverley Mitchell play the part. Not that I have anything against Beverely, who I associate with upbeat roles/personality, but I'd like a more serious, quiet Laurie like the one in the first movie.

Also, I felt the first movie seemed faster paced. And Michael was so big.....I liked the more ordinary looking build of the first movie's Michael.

And didn't like that they let Loomis die at the end.

So, all in all, it wasn't terrible, but I like the first movie better.

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