There was a thread about this, but it seems to have been deleted... I thought that this was, on the whole, a really strong film. One thing that I find completely unbelievable, though, was that it took someone so long to figure out that Walt took credit for the Pink Floyd song. I find it hard to believe that even his parents would have been so out of touch with music, let alone an entire auditorium full of people. Why didn't Baumbach choose a more obscure song. If he had, it wouldn't have been such a glaring head-scratcher of a plot line.
absolutely, though the anna paquin and billy baldwin characters knew right away -- just didn't say anything. i would have known and i was 12 when this film was set.
if he'd chosen a more obscure song, he runs the risk of the audience of the film not realizing the lie. i think he chose it so that we're aware of his deceit, instead of having half the audience not realize it until later. but honestly, i think every time "what a pair he's got!"
what mystifies me, is how does frank feel involved? what changed about walt's rendition, that walt says frank helped write it? it seems a simple enough unplugged cover to me.
I think the content of the song is the main reason Baumbach chose it. The symbolism is very apparent in lines like "together we stand, divided we fall" and the repetition of the song throughout the film in both diagetic and non-diagetic scenarios is powerful in that it both foreshadows (is played before the parents divorce) and culminates (is played several times later on, I forget exactly when). I would be curious as to what people thought the significance of the song itself was...
There are obviously a number of ways that the lyrics could be interpreted in relation to the story, but i think the most basic and important one is that the song is a plea for help, exactly as Walt's taking credit for it is a cry for help.
As for the realism of Walt's getting away with it for so long. I think uncleosbert is right, its very important that the film's audience (for the most part) recognize Walt's deception. I also think that it's a part of the comic absurdity of this movie. I think we are supposed to find it absurd that, first, this kid has the gall to think that he is THAT much smarter than everyone else he encounters, and secondly, that he actually gets away with it for some time.
This movie clearly aims to parody the typical dysfunctional family tableau, and i see this episode as another example of that.
we all know that art is not truth. art is a lie that makes us realize the truth
The "Hey You" sequence squashed a great deal of believability for me in this film. As a product of a "joint custody" nightmare, I really identified with the premise of this film. But Noah Baumbach could have picked from a treasure trove of Pink Floyd songs ... heck, there are 23 songs on "The Wall" but "Hey You" was one of the most widely played of that era. Bad decision. Didn't ruin the movie for me, but reduced it from five stars to three.
Reduced the film from 5 stars to 3 jut because the song wasn’t obscure enough? That’s absurd. How does that change the brilliance of the film in even the slightest respect – there are cars in the exterior shots from post-1980 but it doesn’t make me go – ergh crap film – wasn’t set right. Who cares? It’s about the story.
No way: the most widely played was "Another Brick in the Wall", and if you didn't buy the album or listen to classic rock radio (which describes a LOT of people), it was the only one anyone heard. I didn't hear any other songs from the album until several years after it was released.
I also adore the way Walt rationalises his theft of the song to his (admittedly rather unbelievable) school therapist: "I could have written it." In many ways, it is just a logical extension of his literary theorising - he doesn't have to read the Metamorphosis to know it is "dense", or any Fitzgerald to declare Gatsby is his masterpiece.
If only that was how it worked, there are so many pieces of great art I think I could have produced!
Interestingly, a French writer has just written a book on the joy of talking about books you've never read...
I think that it was all part of the joke. To belive that everyone in the audience is so out of touch that they don’t recognize a song that was played on just about every radio station in the free world during the eighties. What I thought was even funnier was when Walt smugly says to the therapist “Well, I could have written it”.
In one English class I was in someone used Castles Made of Sand by Hendrix for a poem. They read it aloud and word for word. Other students, teacher: No one said anything. And who steals from Hendrix? Talk about a crime against humanity. Anyway, halfway through this galling theft my friend, a huge Hendrix fan, was about to explode, he just spoke the lyrics and finished poem for them. The person ran out of the room! What a chump. Funny!
In any case, yes, it’s trying to show how “pop” culturally clueless people are. The point of the scene. But I bet the actual song that was ripped that this experience was based on was much more obtuse. It seemed "Hey You" was chosen for the audience, so they could get in with how much the writer wanted to poke fun at people for not being “pop” aware. Well, oh my, people that work for a living aren’t aware of the hip music of the day! What a tragedy. How will we survive as a society? Please. And talk about a lame cliché: Pink Floyd as a music choice to show youthful rebellion and disillusionment. Cringe-ola. Why not go all out and really stick to it to “The Man” with "Another Brick In the Wall"?
What was truly was odd, if this ripping of other works is a sign of mental problems: 75% of current working artists should be forced to seek immediate medical attention.
Again, zurchpoet misinterprets Baumbach's scenes, which is mostly because he/she doesn't really think about the meaning behind the actions. Perhaps you are more pretentious than Bernard? We hear him sing "Hey You" and claim it is his. This is the biggest part. It's not about the audience not catching on. The scene is about the fact that Walt is taking things his father has said in the past and acting on them. He's not being genuine. Just like the book, he claims he read it, but really states word for word what his father said about it. His father is a destructive man. Anyone can see that he is not a role model, but Walt thinks there is no better person on the planet. This is why he sides with his dad throughout the separation. It's not because he doesn't love his mom (which we find out in the end he really does), but more along the lines that he takes whatever his father says, and that's that. It's something that most kids deal with when they grow up; they realize that their parents are not perfect, and they most likely have opinions different from them, which doesn't make the opinions wrong, it's just because they have a different personality.
It was supposed to be "Behind Blue Eyes" but they couldn't get the rights. Ironically (or maybe appropriately), Eisenberg had never heard of the song before the day they shot the talent show scene.