zero dya vs elephant
which one did you like moore? Personally i think zero day is the superior film elephant is just too artzy.
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which one did you like moore? Personally i think zero day is the superior film elephant is just too artzy.
"How come even in my fantasies everyone is a jerk?"
Daria
"Lifes a bitch and then ya die"
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Zero Day is definently the better movie. It show's you the killer's in depth and what would provoke them to do it. Elephant is more of a reversal and show's the students and then the killer's dealing with them.
Zero Day owns you all.
April 5, 2005 ( i think ) dvd release. WOOP
OK, so it is agreed that "Zero Day" is the better film by those who have seen both.
But they are different films, as has been pointed out, and its unfair to compare them even if they allude to the same tragic event.
To me, art invites interpretation and "Elephant" does not do that. It is a straight forward story. No offense, but Van Sant likes young guys. His film plays on that, and honestly, it is the better for it. If "Elephant" had been directed by anyone else, there would have been no sensitivity.
Like someone else pointed out, the perspectives were different. These two films are like bookends, as if they worked together to present the point of view of the killers and that of those surrounding them.
But I believe "Zero Day" to be the more arty of the two because of its' use of the documentary form. One is hard-pressed not to respond as if they were watching the real thing unfolding whereas "Elephant" is a drama made to look as if it were happening in real time and fails on that level.
April 2005? I can wait. I will be buying "Zero Day". When I want to compare, I will just check out "Elephant" from my local library.
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This is better because it is more realistic and gives it from the perspective of the killers which is important to consider.
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i loved both movies to be honest. But i think Zero day hits you harder and leaves you with more of an understanding. I kind of liked how both of the ovies kinda touched on the characters sexuality, because sadly alot of the school shooting have occured because of people either thinking the shooter was gay or whatever, sexual confusion can wreak havok and while it's less obvious in zero day then elephant its still there. in the end elephant just leves ou with more questions then you really want to have. like i didn't uderstand why he killed his friend, it kinda didn't make sense to me. Where as zero day made things fairly clear and made you uncomfortable and also made you understand a little more why people do what they do. and for that alone its better.
shareZero Day.
shareZero Day by a country mile. I don't know how the goofs at filmfreakcentral could award Elephant 4 stars and say that the ''acting'' was any good and give Zero day no stars at all and say the acting sucks. Those 2 kids were brilliant and believable. It was an astonishing piece of filmmaking...and
I liked elephant for the record.
prefered elephant myself, was ages ago when i saw it so i don't remember it so well to say why though
shareboth are good films and pretty disturbing.
but i prefer elephant. it shows both violence victims and doers.
zero day is more like a tribute to the duo shooters.
both are good films and pretty disturbing.
but i prefer elephant. it shows both violence victims and doers.
zero day is more like a tribute to the duo shooters.
They were very different films that just happened to be based on the same event. Elephant was presented in a more neutral way, showing the point of views of the killers as well as some of the victims and survivors. Zero Day was more of a one sided view of the killers, we didn't meet any of the other students. I liked both for different reasons. Elephant was more artistic which I like and Zero Day was a lot more confronting. Conclusion: loved them both haha, completely pointless post...
shareI'd have to say Zero Day.
I watched Elephant first, unfortunatly it did not live up to my expectations.
The acting was slightly above average, and I really didnt see the point in introducing half of the people in it, just like the whole 'montage' thing with the piano music (although i like the tune). Gus van Sant makes great movies but this just isnt one of them. Its like its not his, know what i mean?
Zero Day, on the contrairy, was more than I expected. And it better stays that way because it took me long enough to get it. I dont know,... from the beginning of the film i was just captivated by this really great story not only about a 'big ass mission' but also about deep thinking and eternal friendship. It really touched me to see that a film can make that so real. Like you understand everything about Andre's excitement and aggrevation when something doesnt go his way, you understand Calvins embarrasment when Andre doesnt like his poem and how he insults the other poets to make up for it.
You also see the differences between the two of them. The only homemovie about Andre was taped by his father (the one where he got the camera doesnt count) en Cal taped a lot of things he did with his family and friends. It also seemed that Andre was focused on the attack itself, while Calvin tells you all these stories about dying and suicide and how to make the best of it. Andre was also reluctant to pull the trigger which was because he probably only wanted to execute the mission and than walk out of there denying the consequences.
Elephant...it's more subtle in the reasoning behind the shootings and it leaves you to make up your own mind why they did what they did..zero day is pretty in your face about whats what(the douchebags at the prom..who wouldn't want to shoot them)that being said I liked Zero Day just as much.
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ghost elliot, you say you don't understand why, in Elephant, one of the shooters killed the other. I believe this is an allusion to the rumour that Dylan didn't actually kill himself, and that Eric did it for him. As I understand it, this rumour came about because of how Dylan's body was found (he was lying on his gun, etc).
I saw Elephant first, simply because I discovered it first. The timing (in terms of my own thought patterns at the time) was not perfect, but was still pretty good. I didn't enjoy this movie as much as I could have, because I felt that many of the characters were completely superfluous. I despised that the shooters were given a motive for the shooting (ie. the bullying), because I hate the accepted conclusion that school shootings are always the result of bullying, which is not true (least of all at Columbine, which Elephant appears to be loosely based on).
I first saw Zero Day a year later. I was at first a little put off by the "documentary" style of the film, but this did grow on me as I watched, and I understood that you really couldn't show this kind of thing in any other way. This was Cal and Andre's world, and they had to show it for themselves. I loved that this movie didn't try to put reasons to the actions, or justify them in any way. There was no "let's blame this, that and the other thing", which was really refreshing.
While I did enjoy Elephant to en extent, I have to say that, given the choice, I would have to pick Zero Day as my favourite out of the two.
"His name is John. He's a very interesting person."
Elephant
Zero Day was 100 times better than Elephant. Elephant was full of endless "artsy" shots of people walking....and walking...and walking... and the shooters' portrayals SUCKED.
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