The lame use of the CCTV footage - it woulda been beter if they went close up with a proper film camera even if it broke away from the use of the cameras used earlier, there wasnt really enough killings on screen...and the calls to the cops and the way people were running round in unison was almost comical
What the HELL was up with that 911 operator droning on about Andre to pick up the phone - that was making me so angry and then when they kill themselves she is like 'oh, they may be down' lol.
IMO nowhere near as good as ELEPHANT film/entertainment wise.
Also there is no trivia on imdb for this film ATM - there must be some?
I thought the ending was very well made. It didnt show much, but then again, I really dont want to see some innocent kids getting shot with full gory detail. The 911 operator didnt actually see the boys commit suicide, and I think the 911 operators are trained to be calm no matter what the situation is.
This movie is, in my opinion, way better than Elephant, mainly because the actors were bad in it and I really didnt care for any of them. Pretty nice camerawork though.
I agree with the first reply. The ending was quite shocking, and stayed with me for sometime afterward. The calm talk of suicide and then the act itself was tough to watch. The whole movie was excellent imo, and different enough from Elephant that the two can not really be compared.
that 911 operator was extremely annoying. if he didnt answer you the first 2 or 3 times, why would he answer you the next 100 times you asked him to pick up. i wanted to jump into the tv and punch the 911 operator.
but yeah, i dont really compare this to elephant. elephant was more like movie. zero day was kinda like a documentary. anyways, i like zero day better. elephant was really good too, i just prefered zero day.
I totally agree that the 911 operator was annoying! I kept yelling at my tv "SHUT UP, SHUT UP!" because I wanted to hear what they were saying. Other than that, I liked the ending because I thought it was more effective and a little more disturbing because it followed that theory that the less you see, the more it effects you. Between the screaming and the images on the screen, you get scared and disturbed enough without closeups. The only problem I had was that I couldn't really hear what they are saying because of that STUPID 911 operator.
Well I must say that the prodcuer of this film, as well as Elephants, got it all wrong. Why tell everbody thats chool shooter are homosexuall? For example Eric Harris And Dylan Klebold (columbine killer) werent gays they actually had girlfriends and then in Elephant, which is based on it and also Zero day as well, u find out that the killers are homos. That made me angry cause they werent. WHy do school shooters have to be gays? that messed the hole *beep* up.
Neither Elephant or Zero Day were totally based on the Columbine shooters. They were both fictional school shootings. And I haven't seen anything in Zero Day that implied they were gay. I could understand where you'd get that from in Elephant though I don't think that particular scene had anything to do with them being gay but just the fact that he didn't want to die without ever being kissed.
Do this movie actully show them blowing there head's off because that would be diffrent to see and not something you always see in the movie's oh yea and how good is this movie really because i have it on order.
My memory might be jogged for Zero Day, but in Elephant they arn't necessarily gay. Just because they kiss does not mean they were homosexual. Although I don't know where Gus Van Sant stands on the sexuality scale, My Own Private Idaho also dealt with gay issues. In that respect that might have just been a message Sant was trying to send out. I really don't think they were gay in Zero Day, though.
alright, first off, in Elephant, the reason they kiss, if you listen. One says to the other 'I've never kissed anyone'. I don't know if I would go as far as kissing my bud, but I still think it was just to get across their situation. And when in Zero Day do we find out that the two are homosexual. I don't remember anything even hinting to homosexuality.
nofear_89, the killers in Elephant weren't gay. I saw a review of the movie somewhere and some idiot put that Eric and Alex actually had sex after the kiss in the shower. That's completely wrong. They didn't kiss because they were gay, they kissed because they hadn't kissed anyone in their lives and they wanted to have that experience before they died.
i thought that the whole shower situation in elephant was really strange. just because he had said hed never kissed anyone before and thats apparently why they had kissed but it had been when they were showering together. i just dont get why they were showering together in the first place even though they apparently werent gay and had never kissed.
When did this movie say they were gay? The one guy went to prom. they weren't gay. Elephant made no sense because the shower scene comes out of nowhere but this never said they were gay.
i thought it would just show them walking to the school then cut to like the evening news....but do they show the killings? and are they in black and white
The audio of the 911 operator should have been removed. The coda with the crosses also didn't gel well with the rest of the movie. They should've just shown the shooting from the security cameras, then after the suicides, cut back to the rolling camera in the parked car. Then the tape ends, as does the movie. That would have been better, IMHO. But the rest of the movie was great.
I was counting and it appears to me that 9 people are killed in the library, I believe you see 8 of them get killed and just assume that one girl running gets killed by their laughing. In the end their is 14 crosses (one less than Columbine) so if nine were killed in the library and the two boys, then that means 3 people were killed before they reached the library, the same amount as Columbine, I just thought that was kinda cool.
I hated the 911 thing, but the movie was great, don't you think it must have been a let down for the Columbine killers, or the killers in zero day, they had grand plans to end so many lives and then in the end they had killed a dozen and realized it was over, mind you I think they just lost the heart for it in Columbine because there was still 30 or so people in the library.
Seems like I remember reading that after they shot the last person they wandered aimlessly through the school for a little while before goin back to the libraries and killing themselves. I think they were dejected and disappointed and decided to end it. They definitely could've killed a lot more people so I think they just lost the stomache for it.
in the end scenes, when they are in the library, I couldn't help but constantly star that the uper body of the dead student lying under the table in the bottom left corner area...
I didn't think they'd show the shootings, I thought it would just be them walking off and that was it...
After seeing this (I've never seen the columbine shootings, I've never really wanted to, kind of scared to watch them because I get paranoid easy), I can't help but truly imagine what would have happened at my school if the threat made near the end of the last school year went through. actually, there were 2.. and then a bomb threat... It's discusting... i can't fathem the though of, planning, and coordinating something like this. How can you justify doing that??
Please don't take what I said above as I hated the movie, because I didn't. I was very disturbed by it. I think thats what they wanted. To scare the audience...
Good grief, and the suicide at the end. The first time they said they were going to but stopped I couldn't watch, then I didn't know when it was going to happen, then they conccured on the timing, and I couldn't take my eyes off of it... oh my heck... the fountain of blood out the top of their heads....
according to the "official report" promotional website, you are correct. 9 were killed in the library and three in other locations, two students and a security officer.
I loved the movie and I thought the ending was a perfect way to end it. Why would you want to see that up close, and the whole movie is like shot through camera's, so how else could they have done it? The 911 thing was done well and it didn't annyo me because that's how 911 operators actually talk. I thought the thing with the crosses shouldn't of been there though.
Only thing I didn't like about the end was when the students ran through the computer lab section of the library. It was pointless for them to run around that one part, and they didn't seem to be very frightened. Other than that, not too shabby.
I thought the whole movie was very realistic - considering I thought it was real. I even fast forwarded through some of the ending. The part where the girl was under the table screaming and he shoots her, that was unbelievable.
I have to disagree with this. I thought Zero Day was by far one of the best movie I have ever seen. It's funny, it was all I could talk about for days, and my parents actully started to worry about me because I was so interested in it. The ending was chilling, how calm they where about death, but I do have to agree that the operator was a bit annoy, though she added to the effect of the whole sence.
Next, when I mentioned at school what Zero Day was about, almost everyone I knew was like 'well, that sounds like Elephant', and hearing this I thought for sure that I would love Elephant, so I went out to rent it and watched it with my friend. I would have to say that I was MAJORLY disappointed with it. We found that nearly the whole movie was just the actors walking around, there wasn't exactly much of a plot, and once you actully got into the movie, they ended it. They introduced to you people, then killed them off, as if showing you who their where was completely pointless, and even though once it actully got to the kids shooting up the school it was somewhat interesting, it was still quite a bore. Me and my friend ended up make fun of almost everyone, something we do in movies we're not injoying.
Also, what we noticed was that, it seemed that in Elephant they where trying to protray the fact that the kids where somewhat unaffected by killing people, mainly because of video games, which seemed to be the only thing that they really showed you in the movie (there was no reasons as to why these kids where doing this except a small scence where one is getting spit balls hurled at him), while in Zero Day it's majory based around the fact that there are no real reasons as to why someone would attack their school. I think I liked that message more then the one giving by the movie Elephant, mainly because I hate people who blame tragedy on something petty like music and video games.
It definatly makes you think, and think about what is beyond me. It's like they show you a shooting though the kids eyes, and in a sick way, you understand why their doing it, and yet you don't WANT to understand at the same time. What I also noticed is at the end, how Calvin is so different then he was during the rest of the movie. He just comes off as one who's quiet and shy, but at the end it's like he finds something in him that completely and utterly terifing. When he was yelling at the girl under the table to shut up, I was literally sobbing inside because it wasn't the same Cal that I had been introduced to during the first part of the movie.
Cal and Andre where just so real to me, I connected with them from the very first scene because their like almost any other teenager.
And i liked the fact that I got a few laughs out of the movie. Elephant was so serious all the time, it was like you always knew something bad was going to happen, while in Zero Day they give you this false sense of sercrity then hit you with the ending.
And i think I'm probably the only one here who actully thought the cross sence was a good ending. I'm not completely sure why I liked it, but I'm not sure if the movie would have been the same with just ending on their suicide.
Maybe if I would have seen Elephant FIRST, I would have liked it better, but in my opinion Zero Days was amazingly better made.
the whole point of elephant was to show how normal of a day it was and van sant allowed you to get to know the characters through his brilliant shots.
it seems that most people who don't like elephant are watching these movies for the violence or because they think that klebold and harris were "cool".
Yes, but a normal day at high school isn't so serious, me and my friends laugh constantly at school yet everyone in Elephant seemed to be totally serious. I liked Elephant, but I liked Zero Day better.
I love Zero Day. My parents actually got worried about me, to be honest. I've never seen Elephant. I think that the cross scene was brilliant. It really got the message across, of how it had angered the survivers. I thought the 911 operator was alright, but I hated the beeping. When the boys shot themselves, I was nearly crying. Afterwards, whenever we watched it, me and my friend skipped the ending, it disturbed us so much. This movie actually caused my best friend to spend the whole holidays fighting with her parents. I think they've banned her from watching it now.
hahha - after all this time I just came back to check the replies to my original post. To be honest I have totally forgotten everything that happened in this movie (not a good sign) but yet I still remember being angry at the 911 operator, lol.
Thats how annoying it was!!!
(i then noted i actually saw this film in may 05 and not 06 - so that explains why i forgot everything!)
Zero Day was a great film. I thought Elephant was a good movie too, but the fact that Zero Day was so crudely made and through the eyes of the killers rather than the victims, the cops, whatever, was what made it great. The boys were true to life in a theatrical kind of way which somehow made it seem more real. I felt closer to them than most people I know or interact with because they were real. They lied, plotted and killed like a normal person would.