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Oregon does NOT have clear, blue rivers!


I think I saw in the end credits where they filmed this movie in New Zealand. The clear, blue rivers they show do NOT exist in Oregon. I should know, I live here. All of the rivers in Oregon are either dingy green or muddy brown, and definitely not clear. No one should ever get the idea from this movie that they can enjoy such beautiful pristine rivers if they come here. Such do not exist. Also, they show several palm trees along the shore of the river which do NOT exist in the Cascade Mountains of Oregon. I think it does Oregon a disservice by filming it elsewhere and claiming it is Oregon, giving people the wrong idea. If you are going to have a movie set in Oregon, then by golly come up here and actually film it here. It certainly would be a lot cheaper then flying an entire film crew and equipment clear down to New Zealand!

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Um, OK. I guess you could boycott all movies that aren't filmed on location and don't look EXACTLY like the locations they're supposed to represent. You aren't going to see a lot of movies, then.

I don't think the makers of the movie were going for absolute realism here.

Besides, the costs of filming a major motion picture on location in THIS country are often prohibitive. Why do you think so many films are shot in Canada and elsewhere?

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I don't think the makers of the movie were going for absolute realism here.


You don't think?

Was the town scene shot in New Zealand, too?

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You say you've been all over Oregon, did you ever get out of the car? There are miles and miles of wild rivers in Oregon.

No state comes even close to Idaho, of course, but... Oregon's nice in places.

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I've lived, worked, played, camped, hunted and fished all over Oregon for the past 38 years (since 1970). While Oregon's rivers have beautiful scenery, and an abundance of natural resources, they simply do not have the pure blue rivers that are depicted in this movie. Which is okay, I'd just hate to have someone watch the movie and say, "Cool, let's go there on vacation and enjoy those blue rivers." Or worse yet, "Cool, let's sell the place and move to Oregon where we can buy a house on the banks of one of those pure blue rivers."

I would be interested, though, in knowing why Oregon's rivers have an Army green color, and are not clear at all, while New Zealand's rivers are clear and blue like in the tropics. Both are about the same latitude in distance from the equator (albeit in opposite directions). So they should have about the same amount of sunlight/seasonal changes.

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Oregon may not have a river like the one in the movie, but it has some clear running water in places. Not as big as the one in the movie, but I didn't notice anything really different about that river. The appearance of water is mostly a factor of viewing angles, time of day, where the sun is, the sky, etc.

The tropics? C'mon, tropical rivers are full of tea. Decaying plant matter.

It's mostly a matter of viewing angle. Bet you could see the Willamette as blue as the sky right in Portland, IF the sky is blue, and you're lined up right with the river and the sun.

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The Willamette in Portland is one of the most polluted rivers in Oregon. It has industrial sites on either side running for miles, and the mercury content makes the fish totally unsafe to eat. I should know. I worked at the Blue Heron Paper Company on the banks of the Willamette. Their industrial sludge dumped in there late at night when no one was looking. Industrial waste has been dumped in there for over 100 years. That river was ALWAYS brown, regardless of the season, time of day or weather.

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Sure, I know it's polluted. I lived nearby in the early sixties. I remember one time walking across the Burnside bridge toward the west, on the north side, and looking down and seeing the reflection of a big puffy cloud. Only it wasn't a cloud. It was effluent coming from the White Stag factory.

What I'm saying is that the "color" of water us often the reflection of the sky. I sure wouldn't touch any river where the water was actually blue in color. Water's supposed to be clear! BTW, I tossed a penny in the ocean one time from a boat, and watched it get too small to see. It didn't fade into the murk, it just got too far away. That's how it's supposed to be.

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On the Wikipedia page of the movie it says "Although the the film details an ill-prepared camping and canoe trip into the Oregon wilds, Without A Paddle was filmed in New Zealand to take advantage of tax rebates." Not sure where they got that from but it's easy to believe, the government here wanted to attract movies to be made here.

I believe the rivers around where the movie was made are snow fed and have a rock/gravel bottom hence the clearness of the water.

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I can't believe it was cheaper to film in New Zealand than in Oregon! Oregon needs to offer more incentives to filmmakers 'cuz you know the international flights, lodging & transportation for all the gear, etc, cost a pretty penny. If it was still cheaper than filming it in Oregon after all those costs were factored in, Oregon needs to make it more lucrative to stay in the states.

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I live a 2 minute drive from where the movie (the river scenes) were filmed!Awesomeness.I remember reading the local paper while they were filming and it read something like 'US Actor Seth Green Almost Drowned' as he nearly died from being caught in a rip or something like that, I also heard they were at the LOTR Return Of The King Premier but don't remember seeing them on the red carpet?..Anyway, Go New Zealand!

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Congratulations, I think you are the first person ever to spot a movie that doesn't exactly portray real life. In case you can't tell, I'm being sarcastio.

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it was filmed outside of Taupo i think i thought i could see a four square (corner store) in the back ground

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I have never been to Oregon and live in New Zealand, and i think its important to take into account that this is actually a movie based on a camping trip that goes wrong but in a funny way that is completley unrealistic, and for viewers to enjoy this adventure to the fullest they want to see lush green surroundings with crystal clear rivers. New Zealand was able to supply this to the filmmaker for a lower cost and was most likely influenced by Peter Jackson's LOTR trilogy whch showcases our natural surroundings. I think the movie is based in Oregon to contrast some of the pollution there currently (from what i've heard,im not judging) and create a sense of nostalgia in the cleaner times the world has seen which still exists here in NZ.

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It's still odd to base it in Oregon, they could have set the movie in Florida or Giorgia or somewhere a little more NZ-like. The Writer must be from Oregon. Every movie I've seen that's featured Oregon it's been cold, wet and brown, but then again I've only seen the Goonies.





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I don't get why they filmed in the Hutt river i live 10mins away.

Its a *beep* river NZ has way better to offer

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So what?? It's just a movie.

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Well i live in New Zealand
and i could tell straight away that the movie was filmed in this country.

Either way does it really matter that the film was filmed down here and not in Oregon even though thats where the story was set?
Not really.

Anyway,
Yay for NZ! We're such a small country on the map, and its nice to have a bit of thunder yknow?
Go the little country!

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I knew sooner or later someone would come up with a "Yay for NZ!" type comment.

Sho 'nuff, they did.

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Nobody cares. Never leave Oregon, we don't want to see you anywhere else.

Chris J. Nelson

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A few reasons movies are filmed in NZ (and there are a lot) - Tax incentives for overseas film-makers, crews that are known for working harder than their american counterparts, and diverse locations all within easy travelling distance of each other.

There are plenty more.

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First of all, I didn't think they took the trip in Oregon. I just thought they grew up there.
Secondly, dude, nobody in their right mind would move somewhere just because they thought it looked nice in a movie they saw. Get over it.

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Yea, it's supposed to be Oregon. That's where DB Cooper jumped out of the airplane in RL.

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even though it's on a different continent, it is still cheaper to film it in New Zealand

you can thank your state government for that

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