I hated it. Here's why.


Before we all jump to the "technical brilliance" of this and the "that's how Korea was back then" that, allow me to say why this film irked me to no end. First off, it was LONG! And for that long, I wanted something real good out of it.

The main characters had no discernable depth. Park: irascible, stupid even in his pompus belief of his clairvoyance in picking out the guilty, was constantly wrong through most of the film. His methods were coercive, brutal, unintelligent and at time, down-right superstitious. OK. So I don't care for this character.

Next, Jo. The high-kick side-kick. First, from a realistic film standpoint, his kicks are a bit over the top. It looks more like a fantasy Matrix kick than how cops actually beat people up. But I'll put that aside. He is at least consistent. He is hot-tempered, do as Park tells him, and a single-dimensioned side-kick. He's fine. But I don't care for him either, that's the point.

Next, Suh, the cop from Seoul. From the special feature, I learned that he had a personal vendetta to gripe with, which would have made his character a lot more interesting had that aspect been made clear in the film. The film, as presented, did not mention it. OK, so again, I hoped he was the voice of reason. And for a long time, he was. I was happy with that, all the way till the end, he suddenly flips a switch, and decides to ignore DNA lab test result and shoot the guy. Now, if the film had made it clear that this last suspect was indeed the killer, then fine, Suh is in the right. But the Film NEVER made that clear, which I could only draw the conclusion that Suh is acting immorally. Despite pressure, right is right, and you can't kill someone before you are sure they are indeed a murderer. So again, I don't care for Suh.

Chief police. He knew very well the operation of Park and Jo. I mean, that was pretty much implied when he talked about how the reporters are always crowding around and why so many protesters come around. So, the chief is just as backwards as Park and Jo. While I give him credit for reprimanding Jo in a later juncture of the film, he is by no means a character with the credibilitiy to be a voice of reason.

So, you see the problem here? There's no one character for you to hang onto. Perhaps this is the American in me talking, but when I watch a film, especially a long one, I want to empathize, sympathize and like at least one of the protagonists. Here, I've got nothing. This leads to the point, what the heck is the point of the film? To tell me how corrupt that society was and that's why they couldn't catch the serial killer? Or, is the film attempting to be a Mockumentary? No is the answer to both.

I've learned in the 2nd grade to not write something unless you've got a point. Not just a bunch of facts. Even documentaries have points. Here, i've got nothing, except 3 hours lost. This film was utterly unenjoyable, dissatisfying for me. I will say this much, I know I am able to be this brutal and harsh in my review of the film because I am not a Korean, so I do not have all these nostalgic links to the subtler points to the film. But what is a film? It's a story with a point. That's the basis. Here we are just presented with a bunch of facts, some awkwardly acted, and overall, dissatisfying.

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Plz, before judging any foreign movies, plz do some research on the country's history and the society, also the most important thing, to understand the way of how people think.

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i think you should take a film class or two. i don't say this to be funny, but rather, to help you understand story tellling in film in a deeper manner. the open ending (no resolution, murky meanings) are things that have a root in the french new wave, which wanted to have a more realistic, true to life feel, to the point of denying the viewer's expectation of everything tied up by the final act.

it's a lack of understanding of film that comes thru in your comments. first with the gripe that the movie was long. that's not really a solid reason to dislike a movie. it's subjective, and says to me, that you didn't take the film on IT'S OWN TERMS. you were looking for something else from the begining.

this also holds true for your earlier assesment of "no charecters to hang on to." there is no law saying you have to like the people you meet, and absolutely no law that you have to like the people in a movie. the people in this movies, and plays like richard the 3rd, are purposely repulsive, to distance you, and make you look at the situation with a bit of perspective.

i don't think this movie is merely "technically brilliant" it's brilliant in everyway. the story is a serious look at police brutality and police impotance. no easy answers, no neat endings. it's smart funny, the mood and acting are solid. the charecters are complex, in a way that is different for most cop/detec movies in that they aren't pure good guys. they are very flawed. their hearts are kinda in the right place, but.... and the story keeps you on edge-- dark, black humor, sillyness and deadly seriousness. it is a rollercoaster.

everybody sees films and thinks they understands them, but taking a class shows you how to glean a deeper meaning. not to make it an elitist activity-- it's not, but like books, you can find much more complex things going on under the surface, it you look.

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I liked this movie a lot. However, you might want to check Citizen X which is an American movie and it looks more like the type you are looking for.

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A bit anti-semitic, aren't you?

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Now here's a post that deserved the abuse report...

Nadine :)

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Really, I didn't read your article - and I don't hate jews. I live in the UK and I think your country has a problem with anti-semitism. OK, your country might be the "world leader" but it doesn't mean that you don't have problems. It's well known that there are many rich Jews in the USA, especially in New York - the economic centre of America.

Now really - I have seen this film and I didn't hear anything about Jews - what's the *beep* problem???

OK sure there are many rich Jews - who cares. Most of the world didn't care when they were fighting for WW2. I am talking as a half scottish, half Korean living in the UK.

I HATE racism - forget Jews - every race on earth has done something outrageous - always remember that. Long live earth - long live the human race ( the good ones!!! lol)



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Racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia and anti-Semitism aren't warring factions to be pitted against each other. If a Korean Scot is not to be dismissed or stereotyped, then neither are Jews to be dismissed as "rich" or insular (read: members of some imaginary Cabal). Your ethnicity doesn't make you immune to charges of prejudice.

Fighting prejudice will never be a popularity contest. Even though the Left isn't enamored of Israel at present, and many feel the American government targeted Iraq unfairly, embracing the idea of a free Palestinian/Israeli state doesn't justify parroting the anti-Semitic swill of extremist factions in Palestine, neo-Nazis in Dusseldorf or the Identity Movement in the USA. Treating Arabs and Muslims fairly should never be an excuse for spewing cretinous crackpot theories about Jews running the world. I repeat: broad-mindedness is not a popularity contest. If you don't have a problem with Jews, then stop making us/them distinctions about them. "They" are you no matter who you are.

Besides, the faces of the truly powerful are never so homogenous. Worldwide greed has no ethnicity, gender or religion. Efficient greed scapegoats obvious suspects, then stands behind the curtain as misdirected retribution ensues. The history of Jewish persecution is weighted with examples of cunning, powerful and wealthy factions scapegoating Jews to divert attention from their own attempts to starve out citizens and amass wealth for themselves. As Joe Woods once said, "anti-Semitism is the socialism of fools."

But let's return to the topic. The twit who began this thread disqualified his assessment of Memories of Murder by resorting to argument by authority: "As an American, I found this film to be pointless." Apart from embarrassing every thinking American and helping to further polarize nations, the twit in question failed to realize he was citing irrelevant qualifications for appreciating a film: "As a five-foot-seven eunuch with eighteen eyes, a retractable head and a kinetic mustache, I found Memories of Murder to be boring!"

As an American, you found the film boring, the characters, unsympathetic? Really -- then why did I as an American find the film to be fascinating and haunting? Why did I find the characters to be sympathetic AND hypocritical AND morally incoherent, living as they did under a hypocritical and morally incoherent regime? The haste of Song's initial detective to nail someone for the first two crimes is no different from the zeal of a typical Hollywood director to wrap up a complex story with a chase scene and an epigram. Fortunately, films like Memories of Murder expose that approach as empty posturing and then proceed to explore the complexities of the actual event and its repercussions on the characters, the region, Seoul, the States and beyond.

In a time of repression, political irony is evoked most poignantly between silences and choked-back tears. No mean accomplishment, that Memories of Murder manages to achieve all that and fold in perfectly timed humor throughout. As an American, I'd like to say, "Bravo. Nicely done."

I'd also like to add that my opinion has nothing to do with being American, Greco-Roman or part-time neo-Byzantine.

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Well said again, jneedleman!

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"So, you see the problem here? There's no one character for you to hang onto. Perhaps this is the American in me talking, but when I watch a film, especially a long one, I want to empathize, sympathize and like at least one of the protagonists."

Yes, that's definatly the american in you talking. I'm affraid this is why american movies ended up being so formulaic and predictable over time, with one lead chracter undistinguished from the other. This is why i like the boldness of certain foreign movies from europe and asia, that take risks in making mvoies with main characters that are not "sympathetic" or that they represent and project a certain "type" of audience trait to the target audiences. I rather have an interesting protagonist, be he/she a good or bad person, then a "sympathetic2 but unintesting, cliched and deja vu protagonist i have seen in so many other movies before.

I'm not korean, i didn't got the finer points about the korea of the time the movie story is set, and yet this movie totally enthralled me and rapured my attention form begining to end. I don't need to be korean to know when a good mvoie from korea is good. Good movies are good movies, regardless where they came from. It's not a big toll on anybody's imagination to watch a movie from another culture and not be absorved by it, if one is sufficiently willing. In the end, it's a film, and the language of cinema is universal.

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"Here, i've got nothing, except 3 hours lost."
Dude, Memories of Murder didn't run for 3 hours... are you sure you saw the right film?

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I've learned in the 2nd grade to not write something unless you've got a point.

If you thought this movie had no point, I (respectfully) suggest you to rewatch the movie. There's a very clear theme throughout the whole movie.

As for the characters: I could relate, sympathize and empathize with all of them. But probably that says more about me than your lacking says about you.

And BTW I'm European, so to me Korea is just as "foreign" as to you, so it doesn't really have anything to do with that.

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i think one way in which we relate to the detectives is the fact they are genuinely really desperately trying to catch the killer. whether you question their thinking or methods doesn't matter, the fact is there were so many things against them, there was not much support - it was not a good time, and almost impossible for them to get the guy. it was just three guys, working on a big serial killer case.

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Your review of this film was very unique. I thought you offered an accurate analysis of the film and proved that you weren't criticising it due to incomprehension. Ironically, you started subjectively criticising the filmmaker's very intentions that you seemed to catch so well!

Reading on, I found that the objective conclusions you'd reached from the movie parallelled my own.

"it was LONG"

I hadn't really thought about it until reading this line, but it's very true! It was a very involved procedure involving three suspects that each took up a substantial amount of time. Of course, since I enjoyed the movie..I chalked up the running time as a profit instead of a loss.

"Park..belief of his clairvoyance..constantly wrong..coercive..unintelligent..superstitious..I don't care for this character."

Like many others have already suggested, I doubt this character was meant to be empathised with. It's probably safe to assume the director is also part of this majority. Why should we care for Park or fear for his safety? If this movie was about Park fighting for his life, this would've been an issue..but the audience is simply following Park's journey. Would making his character identifiable really get more of the audience involved in his investigation? If so, what if we made him funnier? What if Park was an attractive young woman instead?

"Jo..single-dimensioned side-kick..I don't care for him either"

Yet again, I agree. His compulsive violence and thoughtless obedience frustrated me. Yet again, probably intentional..yet again, I appreciated it.

"Suh..personal vendetta..the film, as presented, did not mention it."

During the movie, I remember being pleased that his backstory wasn't spotlighted. It was never discussed but it was suggested through his actions and frustrated body language. Never giving us a visual of his background was the freedom this subtlety gave us. It seems as though general audiences are catching less and less of these subtleties. I'm not going to blame Hollywood, but having a movie spell everything out through explicit flashbacks and omniscient narratives is making it almost trivial to look for the finer points and subtler clues of a story(as we have to do in life).

"when I watch a film..I want to..like at least one of the protagonists..there's no one character for you to hang onto"

I hadn't conciously thought about what there is to hang onto in these types of movies but I think I know which character it was. This might be stretching it, but I believe there's an implied character in any story that we can choose to hang onto--the basic principle of justice. During the "interrogations", I wasn't fearing for the suspect's life or the policeman's career;it was more about the loss of justice and morals. I found myself wondering if justice was completely lost on the characters or if she would survive. This was the character I was rooting for..the character I empathised with as she was being defeated.

I'm not citing this movie as some unprecedented piece of art. I doubt it'll become one of my favorites. I posted here because your logic was congruent with the intentions but didn't trigger the desired emotions.

"Here we are just presented with a bunch of facts, some awkwardly acted, and overall, dissatisfying."

This line seems to pertain as much to your own review as it does to your opinion of this movie. You're looking at the movie from all the right angles yet still being disappointed with the outcome. Maybe these types of movies simply aren't for everyone..but I would like to think that when people get their feet wet enough, the water's fine.

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Great movie. Btw, I am American and in love with Oriental movies.
I would like to say this; why the light insults when you folks have different opinions ?

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