I mean, look at the rating of the movie, it U!!!
And that means G here in America...
The movie has a couple of sex scenes and a couple of nude bare butts.
Not to forget the violence!!!
I believe no one less than 14, 15 or somethin' should ever watch this movie!
What do you think?
It should be for all ages. Children of all ages can watch this. The image of nudity never drove small children insane and the violence is just very real. They should encourage younger children to see stuff like this film, because they are in the age where they learn more easily and maybe some day they might understand that violence is wrong and sex is a moment of romance and intimacy.
I think Un long dimanche de fiançailles is fitting for 8 or 10 year olds, because the difference in timeline might be confused on a younger age.
Nothing is wrong with our (I'm French) rating system. We are used to seeing "nude bare butts" on TV. Nudity is not something you censor in France. I mean in the US, everybody got pissed off when Janet Jackson showed her breasts during the Superbowl whereas in France we just laughed.
It's just a cultural difference I guess :)
there really is nothing wrong with the rating system I'm not french but german... I would rather say that the american rating system is laughable. I agree that the violence is a factor but "sex scenes" and bare buttocks?? You've got to be kidding!
shareMaybe as "Nirvana is not dead" said: "It's just a cultural difference"...
But still the violence is kind of strong...
And in the US we're not used for this public Nudity,
But I still think that French movies rock.
Yes, certainly the violence was a factor and it was indeed quite strong at times. But there is almost no nudity.... All I can remember are two pairs of bare buttocks and Audrey Tautou undressing with her hands held before her breasts so... most people in Europe wouldn't even regard that as nudity.
The violence is a reason not to let anyone under 12 see this. But it is rated R in the US. that means nobody under 17 is allowed to watch it without parental guidance... that is quite a difference.
Yes, what's wrong with the French rating system and the violence in their movies ? That must explain why children use guns in French school and kill schoolmates, why there are so many weapons sold to people, to children...
Oh no no, wait, that's the US. So relieved that a child could bring his own gun in his school but is not allowed to watch "un long dimanche de fiançailles" by himself.
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Ok I was a little sarcastic.
The thing is I agree we should have a rating system but the US one is a little bit hypocrit. I may be a little subjective but I truly think there is more violence among young people in the US than in France. Therefore the rating system is much more strict in the US, but in the same time, it is really easy to buy any weapon in your country : it's like "there's no way a child could see someone killing somebody in a movie" but a child can go to the supermarket with his father to buy a gun and maybe have one for himself very easyly.
I guess....
But the main point, would you let your children see this movie(Or any other young children)
I showed it to my 13-year-old sister and she loved it, however she believed it to be a little bit graphic...
And since some of you are French I have a question, doesn't Aime mean Love?
Because they say in the subtitles Manech Marrying Mathilde...
And I thought Aime means Love, since my french is not as good as it was, lol...
yes. "Manech Aime Mathilde" means "Manech loves Mathilde". I Guess they translated it into "Marrying" in order to work out with the "MMM" wordplay.
well, I would not have any problems showing this to my 13-year-old sister. I wouldn't show it to younger audiences because of the violence but the nudity would be no factor what so ever. What sex-scene are you talking about, by the way? The one with Judie Foster?? Where was that graphic?
I agree totally : the violence may not be very appropriate for a child but the sex scenes? I don't remember the movie having so many explicit scenes.
Once again, you forbide movies to children because of a few sex scenes but in the same time, you are obsessed with your former president sex life (The Clinton Lewinsky thing), TV shows, news were only talking about that.
But believe me, I like the US...
explaination - The "MMM" written by Manech is like the "M(heart)M" that a speaker of English might write: the French word "aime", meaning "loves", is pronounced like "M". For the English subtitles, the initials were preserved by substituting the translation "Manech's Marrying Mathilde".
shareOh, I get it now! Thanks...
And I wish that we have this freedom in the US.
In regard of the issue, I found out that some Middle-Eastren areas finds that images of women who aren't wearing the black coverage or the veil to be offensive, and might be graphicaly nude to them, in other word our every-day clothes are believed to be nude to some of them, let alone real nude women. So I guess it's just about the culture.
About the MMM part : yes, it would definitely mean : "Manech Loves Mathilde".
However, I believe they were trying to keep that line of fluent logics from the first letter (the "M") so they chose to translate it into another love term.
As for the rating system, I'm French too and, honestly, I saw quite a few children going to the movies with their parents to see this film.
Maybe it is because Europe has been at the heart of the world wars of the past century, but war violence isn't a children-excluding factor for movies or books. There is, of course, a limit. Horror movies are mostly forbidden for the -16 years old.
Yet, the war violence in this movie was quite graphic and almost surreal due to its high resolution mixed with aesthetical photography.
Should I have been a parent whose child saw this movie, I think I'd simply explain that it is a movie and no one was hurt on the set, but however, it does relate real facts and the war was a horrible thing to live through. It's very important to tell children that what they are seeing is a mere reconstruction attempt but it isn't true. It's fake blood, it's dying, etc. They are not whitnessing real deaths and real pain... But it has happened and we mustn't forget that.
I'm not French, but you're right, aime means to love. But you don't have any "m" in "love" so how would you explain the "MMM" theme? It's only a good pun in French because "aime" sounds like "m"
About the nudity, well, I'm from Germany and we have commercials in free tv with the same amount of nudity... not that I would need nudity in a film, I could have done without it, but I don't mind either. Certainly I don't think it will harm children if they see a naked butt in a movie.
LOL very well said :)
shareIf you watch "This Film Is Not Yet Rated," you'll see the differences between U.S. and other countries' ratings systems.
As an American, I find it ludicrous to make violence acceptable but sexuality not so much. Most people at some point in their lives will engage in sexual activity; NOT everyone (well, we can hope) will engage in gunfights, car chases, and blood-dripping murder. Allowing violence and NOT sexuality in TV and films is absolutely absurd.
As for this film, I believe the USA: R rating to be ridiculous. But, at this point, what about this country ISN'T?
They are not insecure about their sexuality on a large scale.
My vote history
http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=21237198
i think the american rating system is wrong and not the French/european ratings.
When i was a child i bathed with my mom and saw my parents walking around naked. Thats completely normall if i saw this movie there would be nothing new that i would have seen.. but in the US they make a big fuss if a child see's a breast. (but they can watch how someone gets slaughterd without anyone caring)
Funny how the US acts so prudish but it has the biggest porno industry of any country.
fathmless said it well .
The rating system in the US is morally bankrupt , a bunch of prudish non-elected, accountable for nothing, people having the power to kill (effectively) a movie is just nuts.
I find this conversation extremely intriguing, and would love to continue the dialogue if possible.
Personally, I don't see this as a right or a wrong issue - it is simply a matter of cultural norm. As Rick1990 pointed out, the clothing preference in America, for example, can well be found unacceptable or even offensive in some parts of the world.
However, I am extremely interested in hearing some opinions on the issue of media censorship from people around the world. From what I know, people in Europe have a better acceptance of nudity in public media. What I would love to learn more is the stance your countries have taken on the issue of violence in public media.
From what I heard, Europe applies a greater restriction on violence, and there are a few gruesome scenes in the movie. I know many American-made violent "video games" have face problems in the markets abroad, the latest one I know being "Gears of War 2" skipping the German and Australia market completely.
So how does this really work in your country? I would love to hear your opinion, and I'll definitely come back and check on this conversation periodically.
Thanks :-)
funny you say that OP, since I first saw this film when I was 10.
shareTypical American Prudeness
whats wrong with some sex and nudity, its all natural and their going to see it one day while the violence is fairly real but nothing too graphic.
Cultural differences are very normal, but this is all so funny!
I did not even realize that there were so called sex scenes in that movie :)
I mean all those people who are shocked by this would suffocate watching so much european movies like Irreversible, La pianiste, The Dreamers or even more cute stuff like Love Songs (Les chansons d'amour) where we can see -warning! lol- two guys singing, crying, kissing and making love on a bed!!!
I don't know, for sure everyone has the right to have an opinion on those things, but it's very hard for me to understand this "American Prudeness" when the entire world knows about those sexist and violent rap videos, those always half naked pop singers, and people like Paris Hilton and cie, so trashy sometimes, with home made porn movies in their "résumé", pictures without panties, and astonishing cultural and educational emptiness... this is all so contradictory LOL
i also not from USA and i think that the american rating system is idiotic.
in my country there is no such thing F-word or stuff like that.
but nudity everywhere you will never see here. i dont know what its like in france but in here you will never see on the street a naked picture, there is some censorship but not so strict like in USA.
just like someone here said, cultural differences i guess.
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In English GR8 = Great
In French M = aime
A pronunciation thing only the French one is much older than texting.
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