When Ray tells Marabelle "Now I'm your watch" when he removes her watch at the restaurant, what do you believe this line implies?
I thought maybe that (sub)consiously Ray is telling Marabelle that she can turn to him for advice, and that he wants to be more like a fatherly figure towards her, as in how one turns to a watch before they do anything to make sure that that they are "on time".
Dantak,
Interesting interpretation. I always loved that line. :-)
My boyfriend was quite cynical about it. He said, "See how he did that trick, seeing what the size of her wrist was so he could buy her a new watch or a bracelet." I always thought it was romantic, though.
"I feel like a dirty scotch glass."
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i kind of thought the same idea as you but in amybe a less creepy way. That he was going to watch over her. MOre of a protective thing. AS a female, alot of us gravitate towards safety and something we are comfortable with. AS the movie progressed it seemed that he was providing a false safety to keep her close, but yet have her at enough of a distance ( as steve MArtin says at the ends) that he wouldnt miss her when she is gone.
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I just kind of thought of it as his excuse to touch her, and for him to be able to evaluate her reaction to his touch. So he could feel if she's receptive to him.
But I like your interpretation better. Did you read the novella?
no I haven't, yet. But after watching the film, I decided to go out and get it. I actually just bought it yesterday. The cashier said, "good choice." From what I hear, I won't be disappointed. I'll see if the book gives any more insight into that scene.
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i don't really buy that seeing how he only wanted a sexual relationship with her in the first place. this scene was still pretty early in their relationship. at the end he admitted that he did love her, which i do not buy at all. he truly missed screwing her, thats all. ray was a creep, and this scene was indeed creepy. the way he put his hand around her wrist and said "now i'm your watch" ??? if i was the girl, i'd leave on the spot.
ray was a creep, and this scene was indeed creepy. the way he put his hand around her wrist and said "now i'm your watch" ??? if i was the girl, i'd leave on the spot.
What you state is the very reason why you are not girl actually. What Ray did was exactly what most women desire to. The man that represents the protection, safety and tenderness. The touch itself was so gentle and romantic i nearly started crying when he did that.
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I don't agree that most 'women' desire men who will take over or to whom they can surrender. It's not 1890 after all. We don't need men to 'rule' us.
Throughout my life I have had men who wanted to 'take control' of me, rich men who thought buying me 'things' would somehow keep me from leaving, or get addicted to their gifts. BALONEY!!! Although there are women who DO want a man to be their boss, I do not think for a SECOND that it is 'most women'. MANY women want a man to be a partner with them, which is entirely different to having a man take ownership of even such a small thing as 'paying attention to the time' so that a woman can 'relax' and not worry about schedules, let the man do that.
I think Ray was seeing the GIRL for the very fact that she was a GIRL, not yet a woman, could be fooled by him. Ray was not a kid, he was fullon in the middle of middle age, heading towards old age, and thus death. He was also probably fearing death and only wanted to see 'youth' in those he dated/scr*wed. Apparently, he didn't have the courage to actually date a REAL woman, only girls. Why? Someone hurt him sometime in his past? Sure. I know men like that, and I have nothing but disdain for them, because EVERYONE has been hurt emotionally sometime or maybe even frequently in their life. I thought this movie was 'trivial' at best, and I only had it on for background noise, basically, while working on my latest book. Steve stepped outside what he knows and wrote something very 2-dimensional, too bad. The gynocologist he was with at the end was probably just a friend, not someone he was sleeping with. Ray was too emotionally juvenile to be attractive to a real woman.
As for the shopgirl, I doubt she'd have gone back to the younger guy, as he wasn't much, even after listening to audiobooks on how to make love to a woman. She was a much deeper thinker, and I don't think she'd have gone backwards in time by dating a kid.
Just my opinion folks!
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I mostly agree with you, viweed (except for your point that the film is "trivial"), although you seem to have misunderstood my comment, i certainly didn't mean Ray as a character that "most" women longing for, not at all, because he was severly flawed as a man, and i already wrote this somewhere else on this board, i meant that gesture at the dinner in particular, his manners at the beginning, his touches and gentle approaches to a woman... simply masterful, there was definitely proof that he had good basics, he just didn't know what it means equality and honesty in a good relationship.
From Mirabelle's point of view, and only hers - at the beginning, i strongly believe he represented exactly what about 90% of women on earth desire to. Unfortunately no one's perfect, and as a personality he turned out to be kinda semi-flawed.
I thought it was the worst line ever in the history of film.
He was better off saying..."Oh and by the way, I have pancreatic cancer, lol"
That is how bad that line was.
"now i'm your watch"
i think it was like what someone else above mentioned: a protection thing. Especially considering how important that protection is for mirabelle. and we know this because she's listening to that tape in her car, about different ways men hold women after sex and the 'safety" factors there. also, at the end, the "new" jeremy tells mirabelle "and i'll protect you" after he tells her she was his inspiration to become successful .
Haha. I don't think it's the worst line EVER, but I definitely cringe at it. It's just...creepy. Ugh.
shareI actually thought it was kind of sweet. I agree that he may have been trying to get a sense of her reaction to his touch. And, did so without it being something too intimate. I also think it kind of shows a more boy-ish side to him. Like, if Jeremy would've delivered that line it could have been interpretted as nervousness and may have actually been endearing. It's kind of a fine line, though. Because if she wasn't that into him in the first place and he said that, it could've pushed her away completely. But, you can tell she liked him enough that when he said it, she felt charmed.
and, how hot was their first night together when he went to turn the phone off and came back, she was lying there with nothing on. I thought that part was so telling. too bad it couldn't work out for them. she deserved someone that would be committed to her and to their relationship.
I felt that line was very, very strange. I half expected her to get up then and there and walk away ... but she seemed so desperate for companionship that she was willing to put up with a lot.
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That line is so creepy, if someone did that to me I'll either smirk at them (out of confusion) or laugh at them because it was so awkward.
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I really like your interpretation!
When I first saw the movie, I thought "Hmmm...weird line, but kinda sweet"
But the second time I saw the movie, I thought "Hmmm that was kinda creepy". I got the feeling he was trying a cheezy line in order to have a decent excuse to touch her.
Then I wondered wondered HOW many women he has told this line to throughout the years. Surely this was the first time Mirabelle had heard it, so it's like he thought "Hmm I think I'm dust off the ol' watch line for her". ha ha
I thought the undertones of his line implicated that she could take him with her anywhere, and he could be with her at all times.