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Freddy never needed fear so why is this so widely accepted

posted 6 years ago by Bosdog6777 (817)
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Freddy Krueger never ever needed fear to power him

Nancy tries in the first movie and it doesn't work

Jesse tries essentially the same in the 2nd movie and it doesn't work

Pretty much every Dream Warrior in the 3rd movie tried and it doesn't work

Pretty much every character in the 4th movie tried it and it doesn't work

5th movie not so much but it certainly wasnt fear that powered him

Freddy's Dead: Freddy was the most powerful he had ever been due to having the highest number of souls (his real power supply) he has ever had at one time

Even the 1989 Marvel Comic story has a character who tries this and Freddy laughs at her mentioning all the others that tried this in past.

Freddy never needed fear the 1980's Freddy always laughed hysterically at this mindset and fed into it only to make the kill that much more sweet when they realize no New Age Mumbo Jumbo can stop Freddy.

The truth of the matter is Freddy vs Jason was a Special Attraction made 12 years after the Real Series had ended and were so desperate for a script after a decade of failed Scripts that they just took this Fear thing out of desperation and lack of understanding of the actual series

[–] AP (5288) 6 years ago

Both franchises reinvented what Freddy/Jason were quite a bit on their own.

[–] mav100000 (345) 6 years ago

...Jason never feared water either... He swam in 3, 4, 6, 7, 8. Don't look too seriously into this movie! Just enjoy it for the brawl at the end! (In which Jason also walks up out of the water calmly in the ending...!)

[–] hurricane (1960) 6 years ago

Nancy's kind of worked in the first movie. Freddy disappeared, and all the people he'd killed returned and were all fine. Then, of course, they changed the ending to some nonsensical thing where Freddy returned for no reason.

That aside, I wouldn't worry too much about it being consistent. They needed a way for Freddy and Jason to come together, and I thought Freddy resurrecting Jason to bring back fear worked as well as anything. Slasher movies with hundreds of sequels often fall down in continuity.

Freddy vs Jason was just meant to be enjoyed for what it was. A battle between two horror icons.

[–] Bosdog6777 (817) 6 years ago

The nonsenical thing is having her friends return after being killed. Wes wanted to make the ending stupid but thank God Robert Shaye saved it and the franchise by telling Wes to go to hell

[–] hurricane (1960) 6 years ago

The ending was stupid.

[–] GreenGoblinsOck8 (7701) 6 years ago

I know it's silly to respond to this after 6 months but from what I understand Wes Craven wanted the entire first Nightmare on Elm Street movie to turn out to be a stupid dream at the end. In other words Freddy was just a figment of Nancy's imagination and the entire movie was a dream. I'm sorry but that is stupid. It completely makes the movie a waste of time since that would mean Nancy was never in any danger. The Studio forced him to change it and I like the ending we got. Freddy shouldn't just be a figment of someone's imagination. He should be real. So therefore the ending is better with Freddy appearing at the end, taking out Nancy's mom and then taking out Nancy and her friends in a dream she thought she had control over. I really don't get how anyone can like that stupid happy ending where it turns out the entire movie was just a stupid dream. I admit some of the later sequels were bad but imo, Parts 2 and 3 were really good.

[–] hurricane (1960) 6 years ago

I thought 2 was a bit goofy. Not as bad as Freddy's dead.
3 was better.

[–] MillerJones (531) 6 years ago

That is much better story.

Why wouldn't she be in danger? the mind can be very dangerous and because something is in your mind doesn't make it not real also it would of left it open for sequel which could of gone in many directions.

Freddy vs Jason vs Ash is what it should of been but due to issues they couldn't do it blame Sam Raimi for that.

Freddy did live of fear not sure thread creator understood the original film.

This is a stand alone as well so it has nothing to do with all the other films it's in it's own universe as such.

[–] GreenGoblinsOck8 (7701) 6 years ago

If the movie is all just a dream and not real, there is no danger. If Freddy is not real he's not dangerous. Basically, Wes wanted Freddy to just be a figment of a girl's imagination and therefore he's not real. Nothing in the movie happened. It was all just a stupid dream. Frankly you'd have a point of danger if the movie was about an 85 year old woman who could immediately die of a heart attack if she received too much shock in her sleep. But we're talking about a really young teenager who that wouldn't happen to. Basically, Nancy was never in any danger in Wes' ending. His ending sucked!

[–] MillerJones (531) 6 years ago

You clearly do not understand the mind.

OK lets lay it out simple you are having a nightmare and then you wake up well most people will have a physical reaction it may only be mild as in heart rate increase and sweating but that is a physical reaction to something in your mind so the whole not dangerous is bogus (this does not even include people that sleep walk or have other health issues)

Because some one is young doesn't mean they are in perfect health.

I have not read the script for the version you say so if you could post it up that would help otherwise you may just be recycling what others are saying and missing a lot out making it not just a simple nightmare

[–] GreenGoblinsOck8 (7701) 6 years ago

I'm not arguing about the danger. To me the whole movie is pointless if it's just a dream. I honestly am not a fan of stories where a bunch of weird stuff happens and then it just ends with someone waking up and the whole thing's just a dream. The only time it ever worked for me is the Batman TAS episodes perchance to dream and over the edge (which could only be done as a dream anyway). But other than that not really fan of it. I don't see the point in a sequel either if it doesn't have Freddy. Which it probably wouldn't since he wouldn't even be real and the next movie would just be about Nancy dreaming of some other bad thing.

[–] vegan_voorhees (383) 6 years ago

I think the idea stems from the never-produced Peter Jackson script for Freddy's Dead where the teens weren't scared of him anymore so weren't in any danger and could go kick his ass in their dreams.

Neither series was particularly reliable for its consistency though. As the other respondent points out, Jason was never scared of water in several earlier Friday sequels.

[–] Bosdog6777 (817) 6 years ago

Well what gets me is how everybody tries to retro fit it into the series like Will the Dream Master was actually hurting Freddy but got scared.

Freddy came back in Dream Master because Kristin was afraid like they didnt see the house light up at the end of dream warriors. That Nancy defeated Freddy by taking away her fear like they didnt notice Freddy wasnt dead at the end. Joey overcame his fear and they all foolishly thought that killed Freddy next thing you know Nancy is dead.

I'll never be convinced Freddy was actually laying there dead at the hands of the Phantom Prowler but a sudden fear spike brought him back as Super Freddy. This fear thing has no place in the original series

[–] hurricane (1960) 6 years ago

It was just a convenient way of getting Freddy involved with Jason. I wouldn't overthink it.

[–] Bosdog6777 (817) 6 years ago

I'm not the one who tries to force it into the entire Freddy Mytho's thats everybody else

[–] GreenGoblinsOck8 (7701) 6 years ago

People getting upset over Jason being afraid of water refuse to accept that in his mind, he has that fearful memory of drowning in the lake. Dreams aren't like reality. In his head he still has that fear from when he drowned as a boy. So Freddy used it against him.

[–] hurricane (1960) 6 years ago

I think this is a good point.

People can have subconscious or repressed fears. It'd make sense that in a nightmare world, Jason would be scared of something that traumatised him in his youth. Doesn't necessarily mean that he'd feel fear about that in his day-to-day life. It's a decent enough explanation.

Though, at the same time I doubt that's what the film-makers were going for. As I said before. Horror movies that spawn many sequels often don't have great continuity. This is one mistake over many that you can probably notice if you overthink the series.

[–] catsidhe (1649) 6 years ago

I think the only bone of contention there is that he showed no fear towards water before.

[–] hurricane (1960) 6 years ago

I get it.

But as said, it could be a deep-rooted fear that only comes out in nightmares?

Though, I doubt when making this movie they put that much thought into it.

[–] catsidhe (1649) 6 years ago

Oh yeah definitely. Recurring nightmares.

I didn't mind the inconsistencies as the movie was a lot of fun.