MovieChat Forums > The Last Samurai (2003) Discussion > why were the samurai rebelling

why were the samurai rebelling


one of the best movies ever in my opinion but i still dont understand why the samurai were rebelling in the first place, does anybody know.

reply

The movie wasn't very good.
They were rebelling because they felt the modernization of Japan wasn't in their interest.

reply

how could a person not think this movie is good?

reply

thomasww92 simply didn't like the movie and he's already made that point on several threads.

Regardless, as to why the samurai are rebelling, the English linguist/narrator character explains to Cruise's character that the country is modernizing too quickly for the samurai class' tastes. So, in the old tradition of taking drastic action in order to point out a superior's error, Katsumoto's samurai opt to rebel.
Further, as Katsumoto explains to the Emperor Meiji, he rises up not against the Emperor directly, but rather those in the government who 'advise [the Emperor] in their interest'. The very same who, as it happens, are pushing for rapid modernization of the country.

This theme would be also touched up on in the Japanese samurai film The Hidden Blade, also set around thist ime. In that film, one young, forward-thinking, but low-ranking, samurai discusses with his elderly uncles on how the country needs to modernize by embracing Western technology. In response, his uncle disgustedly disagrees, saying that, in the olden days, it was far more honourable to pick up your sword or spear, challenge your opponent on the field of battle, and leave all up to your individual skills. Firearms, in his view, were dishonorable. That they're used at a critical point in that movie seems to underscore his uncle's point.

reply

Consider the history of the US. One could make a very strong case that once the Civil War ended, Lincoln's concerns about corporatization materialized. Gold was discovered in California in 1848 but the great middle of the nation remained untamed. After 1865, there was a mad dash at exploitation. We gave away millions of acres to the railroads, we passed a mining law in 1872 still in effect that permits anyone to exploit public land for its mineral wealth, we dammed rivers and drilled wells for massive agriculture before we had the slightest clue about effects, we gave away timberland and grazing lands for pennies on the dollar. Easterners and city folk visit the west and see its grandeur but what they don't understand is what they are really seeing is a pale reflection of what the land looked like in the 1870s. Sure, dozens of families become wealthy but the exploitation of the wealth of the American west did not really benefit the majority of the US population. We're told that it did. That's the popular story we're fed from birth but in truth the ecological damage done to the west by development that was too rapid and too mindless has left us with many serious problems that may never get resolved. Perhaps if we hadn't killed off a few million Indians and listened to what they had to say about the land we might not be facing the ecological disasters we are today. Development is a double edged sword. Sure, it generates wealth and gives people jobs but how often do we ask ourselves at what cost? Whose to say that if Japan took a more deliberate path to modernization their nation wouldn't be facing the ecological crises that it is?

reply

Before 1860s the Samurai were still very powerful, they shaped the government of Japan, enjoyed high status and were very much respected by the common populace.

After the Imperial Family were given more power they started modernising Japan and this new system did not require the Samurai and thus they lost everything their status allowed them.

reply

Actually it's funny how in this film Hollywood managed not only to botch history but completely reversed it 180°

In reality it was the Shogunate that was rapidly modernising (aka the samurai clans). The price for this was very unfavourable trading terms with the west which led to a lot of widespread poverty and misery amongst the general population. This in turn gave rise to strong populist nationalist sentiment.
The emperor was the figurehead to channel this sentiment onto by those who sought to profit from this - basically other members of the bourgeoisie/ruling calss who did not have as much power as the ruling samurai (in many cases they were samurai as well, just from lesser clans).

In the end there was a civil war and the shogunate was overthrown and imperial Japan installed in its place.

Of course since lofty ideals and emotions are not what really keeps the world going the new rulers beyond paying lip service to popular nationalism continued the "westernization" just as much (if not more) as those they fought against. After all isolated feudalism has no chance against global capitalism.

reply

So many morons talking rubbish in thread trying to sound clever. I cant stop Loling.

Wiki detectives who think they are historians but manage to get it all a little wrong.

reply

Please enlighten us.

reply

[deleted]

[deleted]

Using modern weapons isn't the same thing as modernizing the country.

They didn't embrace modernisation until the rebellion was underway, but the point of the rebellion was what the Samarai thought was the removal of their status. Making them equal to peasants.

There is a bit more to it, but thats the basic idea.

reply

They mention it very briefly, scattered over a few scenes throughout the whole movie if I'm not mistaken. You better watch it again. I know I understood it well enough on my first viewing, which must mean it was clear enough.

reply

In older days samurais were able to execute commoners and get away with it like it was nothing, that sort of powers were stripped from them. Samurais were relics who did not belong to the "new world", and i'm quite sure that most Japanese at that time were happy to see them go away...

Samurai image what people know now days (like this movie) is heavily romanticized.

reply


Because they were losing there land and being killed.

Cult Leader my mind's frightening, I drink blood from a human skull like a Viking

reply

Umm... what? The Samurai weren't losing their land, they still have their land! It's just society had moved on and is no longer respecting the Old Tradition where Samurai was the head of their society.

You have to remember that Japan had been in a state of feudalism for over a thousands year.

reply


They were being killed by the Japanese Army, there own people were killing them. That is what I meant.

Cult Leader my mind's frightening, I drink blood from a human skull like a Viking

reply

To be fair, it was the Samurai who started the rebellion in the first place to preserve their old way of life. The Japanese government responded by sending troops to crush the uprising.

reply

The movie makes it clear the Japanese were killing off the Samurai because the Samurai were rebellion to prove to the Empire they were still useful for modern Japan.

In real life, just do research into the Boshin War.

reply

Feudalism was a thing of the past. Samurai were an elite and priviledged class who's power lay in their entitlements and ability to fiht. They were no more noble than knights of mediecal europe for instance. This film depicts them as noble and just, whereas in real life they would have been considerably more corrupt.

reply

I am not sure about how corrupt they were but for the samurai's, it is no doubt in any of your minds they believe they were the ones meant to rule Japan because they are superior in every way.

reply

It's important to know not ALL Samurais rebelled. This film focused on Katsumoto and his band of Samurai who happened to be rebels.

With that said, the Samurai rebelling was used as a plot device. For example, the gatlin gun was a weapon that changed the tide of the war with the Samurai. But the battles between Samurai and the government were long before and after this weapon. This movie just throws it altogether.

Another example was the scene where they banned Samurai from wearing swords. Now this ban was already imposed around Japan but we see it only at the end to serve as a plot device that Katsumoto's days are coming to and end. Which is exactly what he says in the following scene.

Most things just need time...

reply

Because Meiji loyalists like Katsumoto fought against the Bakufu (Shogunate) for the Emperor when the Shogunate opened Japan to the Americans under pressure from the Black Ships. And felt betrayed when the Emperor after being restored by the loyalists and after all their cries of "revere the Emperor, expel the barbarians" during Bakumatsu did the same and are now abolishing their Samurai way of life in exchange for a modernized Japan.

reply

[deleted]

Oh my, where to begin. How about you try to watch the movie again and "listen". I believe it's explained in full by Algren's white guide when he arrives. Also, Ken Watanabe provides incite into this question while Algren is living with the Samurai. 19th Century progress in Japan conflicts with the Samurai lifestyle. I hope I'm not being rude to the OP, but did you sleep through history class?

reply