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Questions and spoilers ahead - What did the ending mean?


First of all my wife and I enjoyed this film it was lots of fun.

We think that John was on the other world at the end, or 'The other side' as Neely called it. That is probably why all the suitcases were opened when he woke up in the desert. You open your suitcase when you arrive...and all those others had arrived with him. Also, his luck changed after the incident in 'The Big Empty' (desert), he was out of debt, he got a part though not the lead, he and Grace were together and he finally saw grace as beautiful, agent Banks made up all the excuses for him to tie up loose ends and start over. Both he and agent Banks have that band-aid on the back of their necks. Grace said he had been in the desert for three days, to him it must have seemed like one night. And most of all after he kisses Grace and bowls that last frame at the end his eyes turn from brown to blue right in front of us. Graces eyes are also blue now in the bowling alley (earlier they were not blue), the same stunning shade of blue as Neely's eyes were at the beginning. John now has the #11 bowling shoes on (the cowboy wanted him to put them on) and he is at lane 11 at the alley. After the 10th frame Grace said they were starting another game. John says he had never bowled two strikes in a row before. What that all means beats me, the fun now is figuring it all out...assuming there is something to figure.

Only problem was we were left with a lot of questions TO figure out. I hope one of you has some answers.

-Neely had that neck brace on when we first meet him. Later his head is cut off...or was the brace holding it on in the first place? Or was the brace to hide something about his neck, maybe to protect it.

-Why did Neely feel he would die for raising John's fee to 27K+ instead of 25K? He even pulled on his neck brace like he knew he would lose his head for it.

-Volkswagens seemed to show up, likes John's Volkswagon bus, the junkyard full of mostly volkswagon beetles later. Maybe it represented for John getting rid of his old volkswagen (putting in in the junk yard too) and starting new.

-Was Ruthie really from the other world? Stella (Daryl Hannah) said she had been found in the desert and was adopted by her.

-The color blue played an import role, blue eyes, blue sweatsuits, Blue cases, blue blowing bowl at the end.

-References to Hawaii seemed to show up a lot too...perhaps a reference to our concept of going to 'paradise' as the cowboy described the other side. Stella's dream was to go to 'Hawaii'. The hotel was 'The Royal Hawaiian' and all that.

-What was the significance of the circle. John used a circle to represent a new head shot for himself. And the circle of suitcases in the desert. The Indian also had the paper with a circle and Johns name in the middle.

-The cowboys neck noticably changed in front of johns eyes during the circle scene. Another neck/head reference.

-The cowboys reference to his job never being done. Perhaps there were so many people in need of leaving 'the big empty' or their empty lives to start new.

-The bowling bowl going out into the desert at the end as yet another flare goes up into the sky. I guess the Cowbow was continuing his work.

-The sky drawn in the umbrella John used at the end of the film to walk out of the desert. Looked like the umbrella Ruthie used earlier in the film. Did Ruthie leave it for him.

-At the beginning Neely asks John what his shoe size is. Evidently it is size 11 since that is the size on John's bowling shoes at the end. The same size shoes that the Cowboy gave to Ruthie when John didn't want to put them on at the circle. Later he IS wearing them. Ruthie had also put on size 11, since they were the ones he turned down and the cowboy threw to her. At one point I thought that Ruthie was taking John's place amoung those leaving. She seemed happy to be getting the shoes meant evidently for John. And she even thanked him for her being there.

-Why did John and agent Banks have those bandages on their necks? Another neck reference like the neck brace on Neely and seeing the cowboys neck change in appearance.

-What was in each of the suitcases? Perhaps it was what each person needed to start life over. For John it was the money he thought he needed to begin a new life by getting out of dept.

Anyway, it was a fun movie and we enjoyed it. I hope some of you may have some thoughts on the meanings to what we listed above or on the movie as a whole. I know very well I am asking questions and have few answers.

Oh yeah, I loved that music during the end credits 'He was a honky tonk maniac from Mars' !!!! Very catchy. BTW it was also playing earlier in Grace's apartment when John stopped by to say he was going to the desert.

Mike and Elaine


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$27,987.06 debt.

2+7+9+8+7+6=39

3+9=11


Something I just found:

"11:11 - Eleven-Eleven

11:11 is said to be a pre-encoded trigger placed in our cellular memory banks prior to our descent into matter which when activated, signifies that our time of completion and ascension is near. It is believed that one knows when this particular gateway opens for them by continually seeing the numbers 11:11 in their every day lives as a continuous ocurrence. Activation of other gateways may be symbolized by other digits."


Source: http://www.greatdreams.com/eleven/num11.htm

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3 + 9 = 11? How about 12?

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hilarious!

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wsf-5 you crack me up. OwlCritic not so good at maff.

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You're getting too hung up on the eleven thing. I think it all comes down to the fact that(as has been mentioned in an earlier post) the eleventh frame in a game of bowling is, essentially, an extra chance. And also, hasn't anyone here ever heard the superstition that if you look at the clock and it says 11:11 then you get to make a wish? I've heard that particular saying on all courners of the US.

I also think the bandaid on the neck (as well as the briefcases) was an homage to Quentin Tarantino as WELL as an allusion to "Invaders from Mars" in which people who had been...conditioned(with a giant drill/needle to the back of the head, no less) concealed the fact with a bandaid.

Eleven is really nothing to write home about;especially since it's actually only two, numerologically speaking.

Now Five, on the other hand...THERE is a number.



-D


"All Hail Eris!"

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"All hail discordja"

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fnord

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I also really noticed people having things on their necks.

Like the obvious one with Neely, but also Elron(or whatever his name is) has some weiird neck thing on, and Stella has a think chocker.

So there really was something weird going on with Cowboy's neck at the end? I thought it was just my eyes and the shadows fromt he flare gun.

Somebdy mentioned people preferring the alternative ending. I must say I fall into that group.

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My question about the ending isn't about what happened to John who stayed behind but what REALLY happened to the people that went? He asks Cowboy who he really is and is told "I'm just a cowboy John." Now a cowboy herds Cattle, and at the end of the ride what is it they do to the Cattle? Were the people moving on to a better life or being herded in as feed stock?

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Eleven. Exactly. One louder.

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I just got really confused at the end. It mad me sad (cause I was confused). Anyways I really got confused when I saw Agent Banks waling out with the band aid on his neck (I really don't remember too much, I watched this film quite a while ago). Anyways, yup, I was confused.

Oh and I loved that earlier.

"3+9=11? How about 12?"

Funny stuff.

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I thought the movie sucked... seriously, the story was crappy... it looked like a 12 year old kid wrote the dam thing. Thats why I didnt think it would end the way it did... but it ended with no twist... lol, I could write a way better story... no wonder these days 80% of the movies are pure crap.

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Well, why don't you try writing a better story and show us?

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Just to say,
after watching the film and your comments here,
I looked on watch-
it was: 2:54 -
guess, 2+5+4=11
Coincidence??
Looooool

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"-What was the significance of the circle. John used a circle to represent a new head shot for himself. And the circle of suitcases in the desert. The Indian also had the paper with a circle and Johns name in the middle."

Someone may have already replied with this observation...But remember how John tells Neely in the beginning that if he gets $27000 (or whatever the sum was) for taking the suitcase out in the desert, it takes him back to zero? Well, it did. The suitcases make on big zero.

I don't know hot it factors in with things as it was pretty crazy there at the end...Just an observation.

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"-What was the significance of the circle. John used a circle to represent a new head shot for himself. And the circle of suitcases in the desert. The Indian also had the paper with a circle and Johns name in the middle."

Someone may have already replied with this observation...But remember how John tells Neely in the beginning that if he gets $27000 (or whatever the sum was) for taking the suitcase out in the desert, it takes him back to zero? Well, it did. The suitcases make one big zero.

I don't know how it factors in with things as it was pretty crazy there at the end...Just an observation.

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Glad to see there are still responses to it.

Funny thing is I watched this film again for the first time in years. It was on IFC last night (direct TV). I only meant to watch a few minutes of it, but I was hooked till the end. I still love the movie. Unfortunately I still have many questions about the ending too.

I wondered if the showing last night would stimulate discussion here again. I guess I have my answer on that.


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Did anybody else think that Agent Banks looked an awful lot like Cowboy as he walked out the door? Especially through the glass.

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> -Neely had that neck brace on when we first meet him. Later his head is cut off...or was the brace
> holding it on in the first place? Or was the brace to hide something about his neck, maybe to
> protect it.

My guess on the neck brace is that Neely's been siphoned of his sperm a few times too many. I'll also guess that the suit case is Neely's, and he knows what's going to happen to him at the circle, so he offers to pay John to deliver the suitcase so John will go instead of Neely.

Neely's cross of the aliens results in his death, and they decapitate him to hide the evidence of sperm collection, leaving his head in a dumpster where there is 'wild animal' destruction which further hides the evidence of alien activity.

Why aliens get eggs and sperm from the neck is never explained, and I associate that function with the change to Cowboy's neck - we're seeing an alien disguised as a human.

My guesses don't explain why adding a couple of thousand to the price puts Neely's life in danger - looks like his fears were justified, huh? - nor what was actually in the suitcases at the circle.

Remember Heaven's Gate? Thirty-nine people killed themselves in the belief they would be resurrected as aliens on a space ship hidden by the Hale Bopp Comet? Some descriptions say they were dressed in identical Nike track suits, some say they wore identical black shirts, sweat pants, and Nike track shoes.

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