Who was more awful, Adam or Polly?
Which character do you think treated May the worst? And why?
Mari
http://www.sisto-act.net
Which character do you think treated May the worst? And why?
Mari
http://www.sisto-act.net
[deleted]
Yes, I agree
shareMe too. Polly was nice, but extremely insensitive. Adam was a major *beep* "Who taught you how to kiss"? That was just mean.
"I'm an expert on tits. Tits and peanut butter."
Adam's reaction when he said "Who taught you how to kiss" seemed to be suprising, not rude. Due to the fact that May told him just minutes before they first kissed that she's never had a boyfriend, Adam probably already assumed to it that she's probably never even kissed a guy as well. So, she goes all over him, coming off impressed that even though May's never been in a relationship before, she certainly knows how to kiss. Hence, him saying "Who taught you how to kiss" as if he was impressed.
shareHanh? That's so definitely not what I got from it.
"I'm an expert on tits. Tits and peanut butter."
That's how I felt his reaction was. Why else do you think he ended up kissing her again?
shareCause he thought he could get laid? Seriously. If I thought someone just might put out for me, you'd bet I'd overlook a minor kissing issue. In fact, I have.
"I'm an expert on tits. Tits and peanut butter."
Yea. Why did she kill Polly? Adam deserved it cuz he was cheap bastard.... But Polly... she was so nice. She had no idea May liked her... taht's why she went to Ambrosia.... I felt bad 4 her. the obnly characters that didn't deserve it were, That guy with teh tattoo, the poor cat, Polly, and Adam's new Gf(she was bitchy but she didn't do anything to May)
sharethough i haven't seen the movie in a couple years, i believe it's because polly had a nice neck.
shareI think that Polly was so much more awful than Adam. Adam gave May another chance after the kissing incident (the first one on their first date) and then she ends up biting his tongue like the cannibals in his film and spreading blood all over herself. Are you "guys" saying that if a gal did that you would not get up and freak out? I thought he was really sweet to her and had ever right to not want to see her again after that.
Polly was completely insensitive to May. Even if a guy did what Polly did to May with her insensitivity, that guy would definitely be considered an a$$hole. Plus she kind of used May to take her cat for her. She set up that whole dance scene and everything....
[deleted]
Adam was pursued by May! She is the one who sets her sights on him! Adam was being a very nice, sweet guy, and he happened to learn that this was a seriously deranged woman! You don't remain friendly with a person like that! I think she had begun upsetting him when she told him the story about the dog, but he overlooked that because he had asked her to tell him a story and had said that nothing bothered him. He was never "on the prowl" with her and treated her as a delicate~though odd~girl, very gently and thoughtfully. I don't think he was being cruel when he made the remark about kissing; I think he was surprised by her approach because she did seem shy and inexperienced. Face it: She's rather at odds with things such as personal space, normal behavior, and any sort of social interaction.
I think warning flags really went up for Adam when he saw May's responses to his film. Obviously, he expected her to show some distress or shock, not lust! He could pride himself on being daring, but May is far beyond what he ever could be ready for. This is not a guy who wants to leap into bed, not with this very strange and scary girl. BUT, May continues to pursue him! He tries to be what she wants, but, when she bites him then smears blood on herself... He DID try, but, if she's that scary so early in a relationship, he has to wonder what it might be like if they proceed, especially if he recalls her behavior with the trick knife.
As for what she overhears later, don't you think that's the usual type of talk people can throw around, saying things they might never say otherwise? I think May frightened him enough that he wanted to move on and forget about her. He did try to chat with her at the Laundromat, but, even then, she began pushing for more. He left only when he realized that there was no neutral ground with May.
I have had a couple of people come into my life over the years that, while they weren't as disturbed as May, made me feel uneasy around them. One was a guy who became a stalker, so I could understand why Adam would be creeped out at learning that May had stood in front of his door for two hours, hoping to see him. My stalker would park at the end of the block and watch the house.
Don't be mean to Adam! He did the best he could, giving the relationship several tries. He definitely was not the user. May was! Remember: He was asleep when May began her advances. Reverse that. What if he had done that to her when she was sleeping? Everyone would have been upset I imagine.
As for Polly: She admitted that she had been after May since she first saw her. Obviously, her pattern is to use then toss aside. She didn't deserve death, but she toyed with May's emotions more than anyone, and she had been doing that everyday at work, all day long. She made May feel as if she was important to her then~Oh! She ran into someone she couldn't pass up! She even invites May, doesn't she? That's not a caring relationship. Polly is a user, with no concerns as to the damage she might do. At least Adam was concerned, even wondering if May should talk to someone. Think about this, too: One bite has Adam frightened; Polly tells May she likes the cut and asks to be hurt again.
So, it's sad what happens to Adam and his girlfriend. Polly was just one pickup away from having something bad happen, and May was that pickup.
I'm really exasperated that male bashing is so common, even when it isn't deserved. It's unpleasant to hear females be so prejudicial. I'm much older than most of you, so perhaps it's having lived life for more than half a century. Women did not do this in years past: assuming the man is to blame or always does the wrong thing or whatever other accusations they want to make. I feel sorry if guys have to hear this too much. Male bashing is just as bad as how some rappers and assorted other guys trash women. Both are equally mean and nasty.
~~MystMoonstruck~~
I agree about Adam. I don't understand why a lot of people who like this movie think he was a big jerk. He was my favorite character, if I had to pick! While she was pathetic and lonely and no matter how hard she tried, really WAS just way too weird -- she also was deranged and scary and he was wise to step back from her. But he was a lot nicer to her for a lot longer than I would have been! I mean, I'm a girl...but you get my point. She was a giant red flag but he seemed a little intriuged and was trying to be nice before she got scary-weird. And you're right about her pursuing him. He was just being nice and was also a little interested, I thought. SHE's the one who objectified HIM, big time...all into his stupid "hands" as if he was just a beautiful object and not a human being.
And this is what her problem is. She didn't seem to value the worth of everyone as a human being, only how they relate to her and their "beautiful" parts.
Polly didn't deserve it either, I don't think. May was just way too unstable to handle real life and real people. Polly was a player, or just a free-spirit sexually... and May was just too naive to see that. That doesn't mean Polly deserved to be murdered.
I don't think any of them deserved to die, not even Polly's hot girlfriend. I can see her snapping with that dreadlock guy, but he didn't deserve it either. It's like, because she was so weird and psycho and couldn't get on like a normal human being, everyone else who came in contact with her had to be punished for it...which is just not fair.
Adam was worse, and here's why.
When they're in the park he asks for a disgusting story, when he gets one, he is freaked out.
Then May tells him freely that she is weird. He tells her that he likes weird. A Lot!!
He knows she's never had a boyfriend, yet when she doesn't know how to kiss, he gets mad.
He shows May his room full of 'weird' stuff, including a plastic knife, then acts turned on when she pretends to use it.
He then ignores her for a while, He could at least tell her he was busy.
Then he shows her a movie that he made, where the main characters eat each other while making out.
Then while making outshe bites his lip, and he freeaks out big time. Come on, yes its a bit weird, but he was leading her on with all this stuff. He got what he asked for then he dumped her for it.
at the laundromat, he couldve at least talked to her for 30 mins, it was so obvious he faked his macgine nopt working to may.
Everything after this is fine though, after he saw her at the park a second time, i understand why he wouldn't wanna see her ever again lol.
Polly wasn't grea either. But i don't think she intentionally hurt May at all.
May wasn't really into polly, she was just mad at adam both times she went to see her. Sure Polly told her that she was serious about her, but she did offer to send her peice of ass home. And i think she really thought that May didn't mind (and she wouldn't have if Adam hadn't rejected her the same day), It was more just a cumulative effect, after being rejected already. Polly was insensitive, but not a bitch.
Any ho, niether or them deserved to die by any stretch of the imagination, but then again May deserved better than she got. She deseved a friend that wasn't a doll, or made out of mutilated body pieces sewn together to form a single corpse.
I loved this movie
hey, yoda needs to give some better advice, or yoda needs to shut the *beep* up
I don't know, i just don't see Adam leading her on. It's more like he gave her a chance (more than I would have) until it really just got too creepy/intense for him to feel safe and comfortable with. Like others have pointed out -- she was deeply disturbed and I doubt many people here honestly would be all "whoo hoo I want to date someone deeply disturbed"
She asked him to see the movie, if I remember correctly. Yes, perhaps he should have been more upfront but he probably knew she was very fragile. The washing machine thing...yes, he did that, because it WAS totally awkward and he didn't want her hopes all getting up again.
I don't know. I just don't see him really doing anything wrong. Trust me, I have strong distaste stringer-alongers...but I'm just not seein' it here. She accosted him in the cafe, and for some unknown reason, he was intruiged and gave her a chance. When it got DISTURBING, and she injured him...uh, he's like get me out of this. Might as well escape before it gets even more intimate/intertwined/deepened.
As for the dog story...I thought he was hoping for bloody diarrehea or weird stories...what was disturbing about her story was the pleasure she took in describing the poor man's dog burst open on the porch, bleeding into the fence, all with a twinkle in her eye. Her attitude, to me, is what crossed the line there.
She just didn't understand boundaries, social cues, what's appropriate or not...etc ad infinitum. And...oh yeah...she was unstable and psycho. It just took him a few times to really be convinced of this.
Adam defender for life!! lol
I totally agree with you on Adam but I wouldn't call Polly a user. She is more the "we are all just having fun here" type. She thinks that they are all just doing things that they like and while not interested in being too deep, she doesn't understand May and her needs. She isn't using her or trickign her in any way, she just operates differently.
share[deleted]
[deleted]
He didn't sound impressed at all. He sounded disgusted and angry, especially with the expression on his face
shareAdam was worst.
She and Polly were not dating or anything, to Polly need some kind of serious commitment with her.
i would say adam cause there was more rudeness and like that *beep* you to feeling you got from him. I don't think polly was so mean but she did sleep with another woman which made may go nuts because of more "perfect" body parts she saw and deep, deep hurt in her..
Wow! I'm amazed that people judge the character of Adam so harshly.
From his first scene, I was expecting him to be cruel and/or insensitive. I was actually surprised by his gentleness and his acceptance of May and her quirks. When he blurted out the bit about who had taught her to kiss, I felt it was an innocent comment that an OVERLY-SENSITIVE person might react to.
Also, I can't blame him for backing away from the relationship after SHE BIT HIM (deeply enough to draw a disturbing amount of blood.) At that point, he realized that her problems were deeper than he had imagined.
After a little time has passed, we see Adam showing compassion to May (ie: the scene in the park.) It seems obvious to me that he felt bad that he hurt her and was trying to show kindness to her.
Polly never hid the kind of person she was. She like weird and she meant it. When Adam said he liked weird he was playing a part...later he says "not this weird". I was really hoping that their relationship would work out in the end, because it was just so sweet up until the part she bit him and he pulled away. I mean in normal life I totally understand his behaviour, but in the context of the movie I thought he was an ass. Part of me wanted him to be into her weirdness.
sharethe idea of this movie is that every person May came in contact with has some kind of social issue, and it conflicted with May's already awkward mentality. when May became close to Adam, Adam pushed her away due to her awkwardness and distanced himself and ended their short relationship with her in the most half ass way. Polly in no way was considered innocent. She pretty much took a emotionally torn May and had sex with her only to later sleep with another person. She alone already new to the idea of love, she couldnt grasp on the idea of how serious Polly took their relationship. When she realized she found another freind she became crushed. and as for the cat, the cat wanted nothing to do with her, so she killed it. all in all, i think that they both treated her unjustly and only if they were more vocal and less exrteme in their attitudes, they may have survived.
wow... lol would u really stick around with someone who bit ur lip, and then rubbed the blood all over herself? i would have avoided her too.
tell me when the relationship was ever sweet. to me, the whole thing was awkward. how was he an ass when he gave her a chance from the VERY beginning? and despite how weird she 'seemed' to be, and even after all her craziness, he still showed he cared when he came up to her at the park. but then her weird ass was too obsessed with his hands to take notice... if he just wanted sex, i dont think he'd have done that.
and i liked polly, she was cute. it was different to see her play a more 'serious-ish' role. (love scary movie :) neway, could u blame her for seeing someone else? it wasnt like her and may were serious neway. and that girl was hot. i'd take bitch over psycho any day. well, if i was a guy.
pretty interesting movie all around... it kept my attention.
"...all in all, i think that they both treated her unjustly and only if they were more vocal and less exrteme in their attitudes, they may have survived."
or maybe if she wasnt so demented???
"I can't blame him for backing away from the relationship after SHE BIT HIM (deeply enough to draw a disturbing amount of blood.) At that point, he realized that her problems were deeper than he had imagined."
You must not be doing it right then.
Since when did fidelity become sexual repression? I was under the impression that it was merely the right thing to do.
Mary had a little lamb...for dinner.
[deleted]
I'm surprised so many people are saying Adam. I thought Adam was extraordinarily tolerant of May's quirky anti-social tendencies and was willing to accept her for who she was. His limits were tested--and rightly so, I think--by her drawing blood from his lip. Even I would be freaked out by that. Plus, as others have mentioned, the scene in the park illustrates that he felt guilty for just abandoning her and tried to patch up their relationship, but by that point May had ceased to search for any personal connection and instead was consumed by her fixation.
Polly, on the other hand, led May into thinking she was serious about a relationship with her (she even says as much in their love scene) just so she could sleep with her. Even after she sees how upset May gets after catching her with Ambrosia, she doesn't take any action to remedy the situation.
Mary had a little lamb...for dinner.
Maybe Polly means poly-amorous? I could never get really serious with a poly-amorous woman because I don't like to share, but I do understand that personality, and that having an emotional draw to multiple people is real, and that that was probably about how Polly was.
shareI can't believe that someone would consider Polly a "whore," while saying that there was "nothing wrong with Adam." Really, what did Polly do that Adam didn't do, except perhaps be honest with May? Both Polly and Adam expressed an interest in May. Both then became involved with someone else. Polly at least told May what she was doing, and offered to get rid of Ambrosia once she realised that May cared. Adam didn't even tell May that it was over.
If Polly is a "whore," then Adam is a dishonest whore.
"Human beings have been oppressing stuffed animals for centuries." --Jerome Murphy
[deleted]
It wasn't obvious to May. That much was clear. And that still doesn't explain why Polly was a "whore," but there was "nothing wrong" with Adam.
"Human beings have been oppressing stuffed animals for centuries." --Jerome Murphy
[deleted]
I hope not. I don't consider a woman a whore if she does exactly the same thing a man does.
"Human beings have been oppressing stuffed animals for centuries." --Jerome Murphy
[deleted]
And when Polly understood that May DID mind, she tried to make amends. I think it's pretty freaking cowardly of Adam not to tell May that he felt it was over. Just avoiding her is not enough, and it left May hanging, a horrible thing to do to do anyone. Very junior high school.
And it STILL doesn't explain why you think Polly was a "whore."
"Human beings have been oppressing stuffed animals for centuries." --Jerome Murphy
[deleted]
No need to direct your animosity at me. I am married and faithful.
Anyway, the relationship wasn't alive in Polly's mind. She didn't think that it mattered to May, and when she realised it did, she tried to make it up to her.
As for Adam, even if the relationship wasn't alive in his mind, he knew full well that it was still alive in May's mind. He didn't have the balls to tell her otherwise, he just talked about her behind her back and took up with somebody else. That, to me, is reprehensible behaviour--there is something wrong with it.
"Human beings have been oppressing stuffed animals for centuries." --Jerome Murphy
[deleted]
Religion? When did I bring up religion? I am not particularly religious, and my husband is an adamant atheist.
Have fun.
"Human beings have been oppressing stuffed animals for centuries." --Jerome Murphy
[deleted]
It was a poor metaphor. And if I won't what? I don't recall saying I wouldn't do something.
I thought you were leaving.
"Human beings have been oppressing stuffed animals for centuries." --Jerome Murphy
Neither of them treated her all that badly.
Polly was insensitive, sure. To me it seemed obvious that she was interested in May but their relationship was casual. She didn't realize the depth of May's affections (which by the way...she only went to Polly AFTER being rebuffed by Adam).
Adam claimed to be into "weird" but we see that after May tried to engage in some blood play that maybe he wasn't really ready for the real thing...maybe more the idea of it. Because he was creeped out by her behavior (which is understandable) he avoided her. Yeah, he could have been more upfront about it but that's a weird conversation don't you think? "Listen May, I like you but you're too freaky and disturbed for even me." Maybe it's one of those "it's cruel to be kind" situations but I can't say I'd want to have that conversation either.
May wasn't "normal". Her extreme reactions weren't justified. I still felt for her though.
Hasn't anybody else noticed that May was carrying on two "relationships" at the same time?
Neither of them deserved to be killed, even though they weren't always the best people. I have to say that I liked Polly better, mostly because she was hilarious. "Shut up, Hooker!"
share[deleted]
I still don't see that Adam did anything wrong (as in 'awful').
To review:
He met May, liked her, and assuming that her quirks were no stranger than his own, started seeing her. At that point in the relationship, they were still getting to know each other.
When she BIT him as severely as she did, he realized that she was disturbed and he backed off from the relationship. After some time had passed, he tried to show her kindness, and all that did was encourage her fantasies and her fixation on him.
People seem to be missing the point that...MAY WAS CRAZY.
I think that what was done to May wasn't the nicest thing in the world. However, it's not their fault that she was so socially inept that she couldn't figure out that Adam no longer wanted her and that Polly was moving on as well. I can't stand people who just don't get it. I try to go by the saying "he's just not that into you". You can't help who does or doesn't like you. So get over it. I'm sure May would have rather been with someone who REALLY cared about her.
share[deleted]