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So what's the moral of this movie?


That if you ever become a tv star, don't let a creepy hanger-on like John Carpenter stick around for sloppy seconds? Phrew! Thanks for the warning, Paul.

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Carpenter may have been the physical reason for Crane's violent end, but Crane had already bludgeoned his awareness of self into oblivion and though the conclusion rendered him a severe beating, the blood was bloodless. As for the 'moral' of said story, isn't it enough that a story was told, a portrait painted? The 'moral' of any golden thread is it's own existence--- you take away what you bring to it--- it should be about recognition, not realization.

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yours was a great observation. thank you. 42

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or according to bob and john themselves, " a day without sex is a day wasted."

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Maybe the moral is that some people can be so consumed with their addiction that they can not see that they are destroying themselves and the people around them.... That and never hang out with Richard Dawson




"They killed Fritz"

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Sex is one of the life's great desserts -- don't try eating it as the main meal!

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Pornography and sexual addiction is just as destructive as alcohol or drugs. I personally thought the "moral" was right in your face and no problem discerning it at all.

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It was the origin of the Clinton philosopy: Don't take any pictures, don't write anything down, and above all, deny, deny, deny!


Just kidding (kinda). I see it more as a case study, than a mroality tale. Because of my own life experiences, I can relate to the character, but never really pitty him. I saw a lot of parrallels between this and Leaving Las Vegas (another character I can relate to, but do pitty a little). Basically, both movies followed the self destructive, downward spiral of two individuals.

When it comes to compluslive behavior, you get to the point that you're doing it because it's what you do. The enjoyment, or thrill that you originally derived from it may be completely gone, but you still do it anyway. really, it becomes a sort of self perpetuating hell.

I left this movie, not thinking, "How sad," or "what a waste of talent," but instead, "that was a farily pathetic legacy to leave behind." In other words, this is how he'll be remembered: The star of a t.v. series, that was a kind of pop culture icon, who turned out to have a freakish personal life. I wonder if he really would even care.

Strangely enough, in today's society, this discovery would be a career builder rather than buster. Paris Hilton has made a killing at simply being an air-headed, you-know-what. I guess he was just born a few decades too soon.


If you was a mo-ron, I suppose you cd'almost andmire it. (Sheriff, kbv1)

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Strangely enough, in today's society, this discovery would be a career builder rather than buster. Paris Hilton has made a killing at simply being an air-headed, you-know-what. I guess he was just born a few decades too soon.
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I don't think standards have changed all that much.

Before Paris Hilton, there was Mamie Van Doren, and Jayne Mansfield. You could probably also put the Gabor sisters in this category, and perhaps Stella Stevens as well.

Sure, they had "careers", but each was mainly famous for being famous. Can you remember any Stella Stevens movies...?

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The Ballad of Cable Hogue. She was pretty darn good in that.

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Apparently your life experiences did not involve you learning that you do not start a sentence with the word "because" you dolt.

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i think the moral is to not film yourself haveing hardcore sex

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Lock your doors before going to bed, dont leave camera tripods laying about the house, and dont hang out with people named John Carpenter.

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Always wear a helmet while sleeping.

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There's no moral to this story.

Schrader treats Crane's story as trivial early in the film, then attempts to make us feel something for the destruction that happens after. Why should I feel anything when it's presented in such a light?

At first I thought that this was Schrader's fault, but then I realised that he's probably doing his best, but there just isn't enough of a story here for me to care about any of it. Sorry.

And I never thought I'd say it, but Badalamenti's music really doesn't help.

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I like Schrader's claim that the moral is "Hollywood doesn't turn Good People into Bad People. Bad People go to Hollywood to be even worse."


-i think it is interesting the way Schrader never really paints a complete, decisive, moral view of this 'decline'. i.e was it celebrity that corrupted Bob, or did his fame and fortune give him the opportunity to explore these other(darker) sides of his personality? was it always in him? i think the film yields towards the latter, but again, it isn't conclusive.

-somebody else mentioned that nowadays Crane wouldn't have received the B.S he did for his 'personal life'. true. And i think that's part of what makes him a sympathetic figure, and in addition, makes us question exactly how much we, as a society, have fallen ourselves.

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If he was alive today, maybe he would get a second chance on Dr. Drew's Celebrity Rehab - but that would just be career suicide. I haven't seen Sean Young in anything lately after her appearance on his show.

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Also hilarious, but not as funny as: "Men gotta have fun" line. LOL!

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Does there have to be a "moral"? How about a "thesis" or a "theme?

I'm an adult, capable of looking at a film (or a story from someone's life), and making my own moral judgement. I do not have to have it spoon-fed to me.

As a result, I didn't look for anything as simplistic as a "moral". I did look for themes and a thesis.

Here's what I came up with--

Some themes:

1. Bob Crane had some talent, but was not gifted. Had he been able to control his appetites and get his priorities in order, he could have made a nice career for himself in TV, radio, and as a voice actor. There are, and were, people who have done great things with meager gifts. The key was that they didn't squander them the way Bob did.

2. Anything can become an addiction if it is allowed to take center stage in a person's life, and obliterate everything else.

3. Bob Crane's life was not ruined by sex. It was ruined by his shallowness, his selfishness, and his complete lack of insight into his lifestyle and how it was running roughshod on his career, his relationships to his family and friends, and the other important aspects of his life.

Thesis:

It was not sex, but his relationship to it, that killed Bob Crane.

Much has been made about how this movie doesn't show how Bob developed his addiction.

I don't think it matters. The point of the movie is not about how it happened but about how, no matter how disastrous the consequences were for him, he didn't see how bad his addiction was.



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Snerk!!!! (Milk and Pepsi spew out my nose as I attempt to not die laughing!!!)

Good one!

I'm adding that one to my "tell everyone I know" file, if you don't mind.

I meant to make a general reply to the thread, and accidentally made it to you specifically.

I'll do better...

Cheers,

M

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Thanks!!!!

This is one of my favorite movies. I'm a Paul Schrader fan in general, but this movie really resonated with me.

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"Bob Crane's life was not ruined by sex. It was ruined by his shallowness, his selfishness, and his complete lack of insight into his lifestyle and how it was running roughshod on his career, his relationships to his family and friends, and the other important aspects of his life."

very well said.

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definitely agreed.

hasn't anyone ever told you that smoking was bad for you?

no..no one..THANK YOU.

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Moral? I guess it's this -- If you're a dude, and you find yourself in a group-grope in which you're not the only dude, don't grab something without looking first.

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G'day all..

The Moral, Um...

HaHa, Cheers BullSm, very apt...

But Addiction, i reckon that's the Moral, any form of Addiction is destructive, be it Booze,Religion, Hooch, Pro/Anti Abortion,Sex or World Peace..extreme ANYTHING will slay ya!!

Cheers
D










Beam me up Scotty, i'm in heaps of s***down here...

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If you want to send messeges to someone,than post a letter or fax.Messeges are not for film.Films are here to put us to an other world for 2 hours not to be moralistic.Tough if you look for morall you will deffenetly find it.Auto focus is a strange little film of a strange little man or two strange men Bob Crane and John Carpenter.I even say the film is a masterpiece,Paul Shraders best efford as a director.Very close to its big brothers Taxi driver and Raging bull.I like Bob Crane, he probebly was a fun man to now.I also like Travis Bickle or Jake Lamotta.Why? Becouse we see who they realy are without a mask,as human beings altough in a downward spiral.Bob on the end of the film wanted out of the world he loved,wanted to leave the extravagant lifestyle of weird sex and concentrate back to his acting carreer and privat life.Ironicly that is what killed him. There is almost no escape of the traces you leave begind in live. It is also a murder mystery, who killed Bob Crane?
Because it's never a honderd percent shure who did it i think we all can figure out why he was killed.
This film aslo has one terific score. Angelo Badalamenti's score is one of his best.I can't think of the film without hearing Angelo's music.
The performences of the entire cast is absolutly stunning.Greg Kinnear and Willem Dafoe are giving there best performences.
So what's the moral of this movie?
You'r kidding right?

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Hey D/Eater,

Can see your point, Yet....

This has one awesome script, dark & intriguing, bleak yet brilliant, love the way it shows a decline of anyone ,It could be you, me, him, her, whatever might cause a shift from one's everyday zone to someplace that lets(or forces) you to act another way, in this case Crane's slide from a respected actor to a sordid shadow trading on his glory day's, a question posed is it caused because of his waning stardom, or vice versa???


Cant really recall the score ringing bells, but thats exactly my point, Morals, like Memories are where you find them, Sure send a fax,letter Etc, but wouldnt you agree that the screen has been projecting messages since day one??
A letter to many??


Pauly Shore's flick Bio-Dome could easily be written off as juvenile fluff, but consider the Environmentally awareness theme of it & it sends a message...

Cheers
D


Beam me up Scotty, i'm in heaps of s*** down here...


















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It doesn't have a moral. It is a complex drama, not an episode of The Brady Bunch.

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Aw, Gee's BoB...

Ya dont get around much these days, do ya???

in one way or another movies have been telling stories since day one, i suspect ya think flicks like, The Longest Day, The diary of Anne Frank & that Hollywood classic... Jay & silent Bob strike back are simple works of fiction!!!!!

Live a little...Snootchie-bootchies....

DAryl








Beam me up Scotty, i'm in heaps of s*** down here...

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