anyone else ??? I can't believe he killed one of his best friends ! When Lem was at the same position he made the choice to save Shane's ass. And because of that he got himself into trouble. And the way he killed him makes me really sick. Like a chicken. I was happy when I saw him committing suicide.
shareDamn, shouldn't have clicked on this thread before finishing the series. Knew Lem died, but not Shane.
I feel bad that the ending was spoiled for you. But yeah, you really shouldn't be visiting ANY of these boards until you've seen everything.
shareThose blaming Vic for everything is what's wrong with this current generation of people.
It's always someone else's fault. I took drugs cos my parents didn't love me. I robbed that guy because my girlfriend broke up with me. I tried to kill myself because someone called me a moron.
There will always - ALWAYS - be someone to blame. That's society in a nutshell now.
To be fair, Vic is probably the single person most responsible for the events that unfold on the show as a whole.
Furthermore, he's the person least capable of accepting responsibility for his own actions, so your post is more than a little ironic.
He's the single person most central to the events in the show, yes. He's also the person least likely to get caught, if not for the shenanigans and stupidity of the people around him.
I wouldn't say Vic was the one accepting the least responsibility - Shane was. Even in the suicide letter, it was a backhanded compliment: it's like a crook admitting he committed the robbery but blames his struggling childhood like it was inevitable he would end up robbing convenience stores.
As a grown man, he could have walked away at any point - with dire consequences - but he could have. Vic never forced him to stay - Shane chose to because Vic provided a safe haven for him.
Vic is absolutely no saint and he's been smart enough to avoid all the BS WHILE saving his friends and family from their own BS. He's a criminal and an *beep* but he's nowhere near the likes of Shane.
Even in the suicide letter, it was a backhanded compliment: it's like a crook admitting he committed the robbery but blames his struggling childhood like it was inevitable he would end up robbing convenience stores.I don't think it's anything like that. He admits that he's no better than Vic, but he correctly points out that "Vic led and [he] followed". Whether one "likes" Shane or not is completely beside the point; I empathize with his grief, horror and desperation, and as a viewer, after 88 episodes I know that his assessment of their relationship is spot on. It's certainly more palatable than Vic's ludicrous indignation and hypocrisy.
He admits that he's no better than Vic, but he correctly points out that "Vic led and [he] followed".
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You should really put in a spoiler alert in the headline bud! That is good style.
I read your post before Lem was killed.
Shane committed suicide? Well, that makes 2 spoilers today.
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I spited Shane for not making amends with Tavon, he could've been a keychar on the show.
shareI was spoiled about Lem's fate, that sucked. But when it comes to Shane's demise, there is no need to worry, a single spoiler can't prepare you for seeing his final moments.
The box... you opened it, we came.
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Think about it - a hundred years ago people wouldn't be finding another person to blame for their own stupidity and failures in life.
They can try, but no one would agree. Saying you became a violent criminal because your mother did not hug you enough would be laughed out of the courts. Nowadays it's "worth a shot".
The younger generation really think their bad choices are the result of everyone else's mistakes. If it's my parent's fault I turned out to be a rapist, then I shouldn't need to control my impulses right?
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ok that was not directed at you. I just replied to yr comment.
shareThink about it - a hundred years ago people wouldn't be finding another person to blame for their own stupidity and failures in life.
They can try, but no one would agree. Saying you became a violent criminal because your mother did not hug you enough would be laughed out of the courts.
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Yeah, right. You'd be surprised what people blamed their failures on.
God, spirits, the cosmos, the stars.
Sure they could TRY. People have been coming up with creative excuses to blame their crimes since the dawn of time, anything to avoid or reduce their personal responsibility. The difference is people will laugh at their excuses.
Not so much nowadays, what with science proving more and more that people are not in control of their actions anymore. With the right lawyer, it's a distinct possibility to avoid prosecution for just about any crime.
It's like saying Heinrich Himmler (Hitler's right hand man who directed the killing of some six million Jews, between 200,000 and 500,000 Romani people, and other victims) was not as bad as Hitler.
Maybe he should have gotten more sympathy if he had written a letter blaming Hitler for his own weakness because he only "followed" Hitler? I'm almost certain if Walter Goggins had played Heinrich Himmler, people might be defending him as well.
The difference is people will laugh at their excuses.
With the right lawyer, it's a distinct possibility to avoid prosecution for just about any crime.
It's like saying Heinrich Himmler (Hitler's right hand man who directed the killing of some six million Jews, between 200,000 and 500,000 Romani people, and other victims) was not as bad as Hitler.
Maybe he should have gotten more sympathy if he had written a letter blaming Hitler for his own weakness because he only "followed" Hitler? I'm almost certain if Walter Goggins had played Heinrich Himmler, people might be defending him as well.
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Not so much nowadays, what with science proving more and more that people are not in control of their actions anymore.
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Welcome to the human race. Anyone who thinks a human being wouldn't kill their best friend, husband, wife, child, brother, sister for money, drugs, power, chits and giggles, etc. I have an underwater bridge I want to sell them. Humans are the most dangerous animal on the planet.
shareI wouldn't say I hate him, but what he did to Lem was unforgivable. Shane deserved to die after that. At the same time I feel sorry for him, you can see that he's fucked up by guilt because of what he did. Walton Goggins is amazing in the role.
One of the reasons I love The Shield so much is that the characters are so complex.