anyone else ??? I can't believe he killed one of his best friends ! When Lem was at the same position he made the choice to save Shane's ass. And because of that he got himself into trouble. And the way he killed him makes me really sick. Like a chicken. I was happy when I saw him committing suicide.
shareI really hate !!! Also ????
I don't squander hatred on fictional TV characters, and certainly not ones as memorable as Shane Vendrell. He's a flawed man, but it was Mackey who broke him, and in the interim he fought hard to breathe free air and collect his share of ownage. Like Vic, he loved his family. Unlike Vic, he managed to hold on to them -- if in the most horrifying way possible.
shareBoth did alot of *beep* And i would say the breaking point started when Shane killed Lem.
If he wasnt so selfish thay could have made it to the end.
As I already said that's the reason I feel so angry about that character. Vic was one of the most hateful characters from the very beginning and he was ment to be like that , he was ment to be the bad guy of the show , so I never liked him. But at least he wanted the best for his team and he was looking after for them. Shane was the one who betrayed everyone , the loyalty of the team , he destroyed everything. he was almost always the reason of every problem they had 'cause he was acting stupid all the time and he was thinking most about himslef and how to earn more money.
shareIf you don't match yourself with the characters of a show what's the point of watching it at all ? I said why I feel like that. because of what he did to Lem. Vic is also evil but at least he took care of his true friends and never betrayed them like that ( except from the last episode when he gave up Ronnie )
shareIf you don't match yourself with the characters of a show what's the point of watching it at all ?It's an interesting question, but a very "of the moment" one.
Some shows focus in real life. In relationships between people , about hate love dedication morality etc.
Ι believe in that kind of shows it's inevitable not to match yourself with the characters because some things that happen in the show reminds you a lot the reality and even your own life or a similar situation that you or some other person you know once lived.
So you feel anger sometimes or sympathy and all other kinds of feelings. I believe that's the purpose of these shows. the script writer trys to make the viewers get attached with the show and the people in it.
I don't like Vic either. I didn't like him from the day one. But Vic had always a plan to protect his loved one's ( friends and family ) Shane is the reason that the team collapsed in the end because of his stupidity and his insurmountable need for money. He cared more about himself than the others and even when he put others in trouble because of his brainless actions. Lem for example got in trouble because of him because he wanted to save him from prison and death and he didn't appreciate that. Maybe Vic broke him but Shane always had inside him an evil part. Vic was just the right person to help him start his evil actions. Βut he was something that Vic was'nt. He was a traιtor.
That's why he's so hatred to me.
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How did Vic break Shane? They were both dirty. Only difference is that Shane was too greedy and not nearly as smart as he thought he was for most of the series. Also, Vic isn't exactly a saint but if we're splitting hairs he has more compassion than Shane. Shane was his own worst enemy from day one.
shareI guess it comes down to whether or not you believe what Shane wrote in his suicide note. I do.
But it's the way these threads inevitably pop up to claim that "Vic is more X than Shane" or "Shane did Y and Vic didn't" that gets me down.
The Shield has the most powerful conclusion in the history of television, full stop. It puts the lie to satisfying piffle like we saw in the final episode of another dramatic show about men behaving badly. It's so good that reductive debates about which characters we "hate" and which characters we don't suggest that some of us missed the point.
To wit, the OP felt compelled end his post with this nugget:
I was happy when I saw him committing suicide.If this is accurate, well, I don't know what to say. share
I think Shane said it best when he wrote about Vic: He led, but I followed.
Can't stop the signal.
Well maybe 'happy' is not exactly the right word to use but Ι think it was the best end for Shane's closure . He couldnt bear the burden of all the bad things he've done. I felt sorry about his unborn child and his son though. It was really sad that they had to pay too for his wrong actions.
shareI don't think he felt the weight of his actions. To me Shane took the coward's way out like he did throughout the show. He so no more moves left so he took his own life. He was also self-serving and disloyal to the end. After spending god knows how long leaching off his friends to help him and then blackmailing them when they got tired of it he tried to burn them after his death when he saw no more use for them.
The problem with Shane was that he thought he was a leader but he was truly a follower. When he had someone guiding him that knew what and when to do something, Vic, he did well. When he had someone guiding him that was also self-serving and incompetent, his wife, he did very poorly.
When he had someone guiding him that was also self-serving and incompetent, his wife, he did very poorly.I don't think this characterization of Mara is accurate, particularly the self-serving bit. She had several opportunities to give up Shane in the final episodes, essentially skating on the accumulating charges, and she didn't.
Finally, if you're going to wave the disloyalty stick at Shane and give Vic a pass, let's not forget Ronnie Gardocki.
Shane certainly didn't. That's my point -- I'd say he did feel the full weight of his actions. We've all done things we've instantly regretted, and it's obvious that Shane recognizes how far he's fallen immediately. He'd rather it was him.
The fallout from this, where he becomes self-destructive, begs his wife for forgiveness, gets it, tries to move on, then runs face-first into Vic's ludicrous righteous indignation (the scale of which I don't think he anticipated)...that is some of the most interesting character work on any show in history. But I don't think the people playing a game of "Team Shane vs. Team Vic" quite understand that.
Lem's tragedy is Shane's tragedy is Vic's tragedy is the tragedy of the whole Shield universe. I empathize with all of them, because I feel like I've been all of them at some time or other. But the Shane-me can look himself in the mirror and own up to his deficiencies of character; the Vic-me walks around oblivious, doing all sorts of terrible stuff and rationalizing up a storm.
They've both earned a nice, cozy spot in hell. The difference is Shane will feel right at home, knowing he's earned it; Vic will spend the entire time with that incredulous "how did I get here?" look on his face.
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I was going to voice my disagreement with some other stuff you wrote, but instead I want to call out how great this comment is:
They've both earned a nice, cozy spot in hell. The difference is Shane will feel right at home, knowing he's earned it; Vic will spend the entire time with that incredulous "how did I get here?" look on his face.
Hey, just looking ahead.
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I agree with the last words of Shane in his suicidal note. If he never met Vic he wouldn't do any of these things. He always was a greedy person in the inside but he was too stupid to act like that by his own. He needed a leader to trigger his viciousness and Vic was the right one.
shareOnly difference is that Shane was too greedy and not nearly as smart as he thought he was for most of the series.
I seem to remember Shane wanting to do worse things than Vic. Vic was the one who kept him on the semi sane side.
share@livefreeordie-154-825860 Does anyone not hate Shane?
"So once again, I'm the asshøle."
- Shane Vendrell
There're people that sympathize him because they think that in the end he was just another victim of Vic's viciousness.
share@livefreeordie-154-825860 Those people are morons. Lem and Ronnie were also part of the strike team and neither of them did half the terrible crap that Shane did.
shareDisagree about Ronnie. He murdered in cold blood too.
Can't stop the signal.
Ronnie was the quiet one but I think he was sneaky. He didn't care for justice. and he also cared about himself a lot. He was'nt as bad as the other too of course but I believe only Lem was the good guy of the strike team and because of that and his kindness he end up dead.
share@livefreeordie-154-825860 He didn't care for justice.
Prove it.
and he also cared about himself a lot.
Heaven forbid!
You haven't changed my mind: neither Lem nor Ronnie did half the terrible crap that Shane did.
Then you're overlooking the facts and don't want to admit that Ronnie became just as corrupt as the others. Just because he stayed in the shadows throughout the series doesn't make him less guilty than his colleagues. The only question Ronnie was concerned about was "When does it all end?" He was perfectly willing to do anything it took as long as he and Vic had a solid end game in sight.
I highly doubt Lem would've went along with Vic's plan to have Shane killed if, let's say, Shane had dropped a grenade in Ronnie's lap.
@ShadyMcGrady Then you're overlooking the facts and don't want to admit that Ronnie became just as corrupt as the others.
I didn't say that Ronnie wasn't corrupt. Obviously he was - that's why he got arrested by Dutch.
What I'm saying is that Ronnie, for example, wouldn't have dropped a grenade in Lem's lap. Neither would Vic.
I highly doubt Lem would've went along with Vic's plan to have Shane killed if, let's say, Shane had dropped a grenade in Ronnie's lap.
I'd provide a rebuttal to this, but I'm too stupid to understand it. Sorry.
You're supposed to hate him after that! I was screaming at the tv when that happened.
shareI dont hate shane per se....If theres really anyone to hate in this show I would enevitability choose Mara, the Yoko Ono of the T.V. world.
As to the argument about Vic being worse than shane or Vic being the reason shane turned out as he did I really gotta disagree....
For that I will point to season four and beyond where Shane was finally out on his own, not taking orders from Vic and yet he started to do even WORSE things then before.
I think Shane would have become this monster with or without Vic. As others have noted Shane is Greedy, un-empathetic, impulsive and not too bright.
Every single issue Shane has been ever had can be traced back to one person.....Shane Vendrell
To try to put that blame on Vic is just short sighted.
"What color is the boathouse at Hereford!?"
-Sam
The problem with that speculation is that none of the members of the Strike Team were dirty until they met Vic. I forget which season it was, but there's an episode that's basically an hour-long flashback that shows what everyone was like during their first day on the job. Vic was the only one who started off with a reputation of being dirty and, as a direct result, he used his influence to corrupt other members of the team by telling them, "We'll do this one little thing, this one time, and then we'll go back to doing things the right way." Fast-forward 14 months later, Vic doesn't even make good on his promise and gets his team into even deeper sh-t.
That was the beginning of the end right there. In fact, I'm pretty sure there's an episode (in the final season, I think) where Vic admits that he created a monster and maybe it can be turned around. That just proves that Vic played a pivotal role in Shane's downfall.
It's like Shane said, "I was just following your game plan, coach!"
Shane and Vic were partners well before the strike team. They even knew That guy that was their saviour in season one and then turned on them. So whether Shane was corrupted by Vic or not is inconclusive.
If I recall the thing that started all of their problems, the money train, was something that Vic wanted to bow out of when the site got changed. The other three wanted to go ahead with the plan even without Vic.
Really?
Damn, I guess I'll have to rewatch the series one of these days, because I don't remember the two knowing each other before the Strike Team.
Yeah Gilroy was the guy that was protecting them and knew them from before. Then he became an ass, but both Vic and Shane were partners and Vic asked to start the strike team from Gilroy.
shareThe problem with that speculation is that none of the members of the Strike Team were dirty until they met Vic.
Vic doesn't even make good on his promise and gets his team into even deeper sh-t.
lol from the pilot episode. "Fire in the hole!!" :-)
Gotta admit though I was kinda rooting for him at the end of beat Vic.