Was anyone else offended by this movie? - Frailty (2002) Discussion

[–] loco_pescados 19 years ago

Dad: Are you afraid?
[Fenton nods]
Dad: Of who?
Young Fenton: You
Dad: Only demons should fear me... and you're not a demon are you?

don't slit a man's throat, don't harm a young girl, be nice to your mother, eat your veggies and no meat on Fridays.. think you know the rest...

but to call it a cheat for the script? think it's the other way around. couldn't have the same movie without validate'ing Adam's story.

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[–] susannedesic 19 years ago

Well... I was not *offended* by the movie, but I didn't like the message at the end, either. Like: it's okay to kill people when you got an order from god? I mean: how can you be sure the order was from god and not from your *beep* up mind... Imagine a real psychotic person watching this movie - next time that person has a weird hallucination that person interprets it as an order from god and... you know... Sure, for me this was JUST a movie but I was wondering how certain other people perceive this movie and thought "this could be dangerous..."
Or imagine, let's say, a religious extremist watching this movie. Wouldn't he think: oh great, now the people finally understood our battle, they understand that demons (sinners, unbelievers, whatever they regard as a demon) have to be killed in the name of god, because he ordered it (in the bible for example). I don't know... the more I think about this movie, the more the message scares me...

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[–] enbilal 19 years ago

I was offended by the movie, and you weirdos can call me a demon as much as you like. And I can just think how people feel who have someone in the family killed by a serial killer. There are those people out there. Should they accept this movie as a piece of fiction? How about someone makes a movie about Holocaust, with a twist ending, all those Jews were in fact demons who deserved to be killed. Well, the director could always say it is a fiction. Or someone makes a movie about 9/11, where all those who died were demons. Would people be offended then?

This movie has a message that there are two kinds of serial killers. Those who are evil and those who are good. I refuse to believe that there are good serial killers, who do it in the name of God. And I am deeply religious person, and that is why I am offended. This is perversion of religion, and I think that those who are really religious people know that religion and God have to do with good things, not serial killing. Just as I am offended by Bin Laden when he says that killing of innocent people on 9/11 was God's will. Although it is clear that this movie promotes serial killing, I refuse to believe what it says. I don't want to accept that that lunatic father was really God's messenger, even in fictional terms. I still think that the older brother was right and innocent, and that he never killed anyone except his crazy father, and that the younger brother was a murderer of all those people. I repeat, the movie is not telling us this, but I don't care. From what I know, this movie could be demonic for perverting God like that.
What also shocked me is that the message of the movie is that it is o.k. to put your little son in a dungeon for weeks without food and water, for whatever twist predictable ending in the world.

Now, why would someone make a movie like this? Is it because Paxton (who also directed) wanted to make his character good after all? Or because someone wanted to make a movie with suprise ending, in the style of The Sixt Sense, but because of the lack of talent gave us the ending as cheep as it is? Are these people aware how immoral the message of this movie is, for the sake of sensation?

Just up until he kills the agent, I was of the opinion that I am watching one of the most intelligent horrors of recent years, but how I was wrong.

Now please someone tell me that this movie has an open ending, and that we were in Adams crazy mind, from the moment he kills the FBI agent, and that we were seeing his version of reality. I just hope it is like that, it would totally change my opinion of the movie. Even if there is a smallest hint at it, I am ready to believe it rather than the fact that there are filmakers either this evil, to make a movie that abolishes serial killing, or that there are film makers this stupid not to be aware of it. It would be all o.k. if this was a Buffy episode, which this movie would be if it didn't take itself so serious. I repeat, this movie implies that victims of serial killers deserved to die. And a serial killer is a metaphore for Christ (God's messenger). I would rather see a metaphore of Christ in a tortured boy than in a madman with the axe. That is why I cheered when the boy gave the old rat what he deserved. He is my hero. For me the movie ended there.

But then again, maybe the amorality of this movie is the point. Maybe that is the horror element of it. The scary part of it is that somebody decided to make a serious Buffy episode or a movie itself concieved in evil.

AND FINALY, TWO LARGE PLOT HOLES:
1)"Only The Innocent Survive" tag line doesn't make any sense, because, the old sherif was killed (it is confirmed that he was a human, not a demon). What is he then, a collateral damage? And on top of that, he didn't even have to die, because he wasn't believing the boy after all. Was it also God's will? This is either a plot hole or a hint that maybe majority of people are wrong by interpreting this movie and that the sides of good and evil are the opposite from what is suggested. And we never see the older boy kill anybody except his father. We know that he is a murderer only by Adam's story. I would like to believe this theory. It would make the move intelligent after all.
2) Why would a demon (FBI agent) want to capture another demon (older brother)? Wouldn't he try to cover him up, because they are on the same side? Buffy is more inteligent than this piece of garbage. Or maybe not?

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[–] c_b0b-1 19 years ago

" What is he then, a collateral damage? And on top of that, he didn't even have to die, because he wasn't believing the boy after all. Was it also God's will?"

It was God's will, and it was collateral damage. Why? Because as their father said, if Fenton told anyone about it, someone was going to die. Fenton told someone about it, thus, someone had to die. I think it was supposed to be God testing Fenton, essentially, by showing the consequences of a lack of faith: IE, a good man's death.

Secondly, why should we assume that the FBI agent knew that someone he never even met was a demon? Sure he was one too, but there's nothing in the movie that leads me to believe that demons have a sixth sense for knowing who else is a demon, especially when they're two demons who have never even met. I mean, they didn't even know who the killer was; how should he have known it was a demon? And if he assumed it was a demon, what was he gonna do? Tell the FBI to call off the investigation?

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[–] PLKing1986-1 19 years ago

Um...offended, I'm not. Intrigued, I am. This is a fiction story that takes the idea of good vs. evil to the utter extreme, and then meshes the lines to confuse anyone who watches it. And, clearly, some of you were confused. I.E. This is a fiction story, not actually having taken place, or, for that matter, encouraging any acts that occur within it. In this day and age, writers in Hollywood have to create these odd, major twists to keep modern audiences at all interested. This, interestingly enough, means that they are choosing to make contraversial statements so as to attract an audience. Not to demonstrate personal beliefs or bash others, but simply to create a form of entertainment.

Now, I agree that there are nut-jobs out there who may misinterpret this to their own messages, but, sadly, these nut-jobs will find a way to do this no matter what. I hate to sound stereotypical, but I fear that being an American it is inevitable. This is an American film, written in America, and there is a lovely thing called the first amendment. So, you can piss and moan all you want about what this movie promotes, and complain about the media's affects on our society, but about all that will come of it is an amusing argument for on-lookers.

And, I suppose, being that I have just bashed this screaming-and-whining-until-one-is-blue-in-the-face-only-to-have-nothing-come-of-it style and in fact joined in the screaming and whining that I am behaving hypocritically. But, oh well. It's my freedom to be as such, my friends, and so it shall be.

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[–] geneticmonster69 19 years ago

Freedom of speech doesn't mean that we can't criticise other peoples speech cracker.

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[–] koffeenkreame41-1 19 years ago

" What is he then, a collateral damage? And on top of that, he didn't even have to die, because he wasn't believing the boy after all. Was it also God's will?"

It was God's will, and it was collateral damage. Why? Because as their father said, if Fenton told anyone about it, someone was going to die. Fenton told someone about it, thus, someone had to die. I think it was supposed to be God testing Fenton, essentially, by showing the consequences of a lack of faith: IE, a good man's death.

Secondly, why should we assume that the FBI agent knew that someone he never even met was a demon? Sure he was one too, but there's nothing in the movie that leads me to believe that demons have a sixth sense for knowing who else is a demon, especially when they're two demons who have never even met. I mean, they didn't even know who the killer was; how should he have known it was a demon? And if he assumed it was a demon, what was he gonna do? Tell the FBI to call off the investigation?
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Yeah, I agree, c-bob. I mean, there are many clues to Fenton's future, I mean, he didn't want to sing the gospel song with Adam in the beginning, the first time Dad brings him in the help in the demon slaying, it goes wrong, he tells the Sheriff, when Dad clearly told him, if he had told anyone that they would die, then he kills his dad, then, he buries him and becomes a serial killer and thus is a demon. Listen to the commentaries of Paxton and the writer, Brent Hanley.

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[–] sgnova 19 years ago

@enkibilal
I agree with all you said.
In any way I can't imagine God as killer comander.

So I have a theory that Fenton lied in Thurman Rose Garden when he said to agent Doyle that he is Adam. Through whole story all normal people could identify themselves with Fenton only, so I think that Fenton survived.
After many victims, mad Adam killed himself too.

After his younger brother's suicide Fenton took Adam's identity and came to FBI headquarters "as Fenton" to finish Adam's mission (the last name on the list). In future investigation they should search for Fenton but he's living with Adam's identity.
It's not so perfect theory cause Doyle's death makes Fenton as killer also but he is the last one, so I can accept it as it.
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There's no any sense if Adam is telling the story, cause the main story point is about disagreement between Fenton and father, so how could Adam know all these things which can explain Fenton only.
Adam was too young to choose what's good what's bad so he beleived to his father, Adam couldn't has own attitudes, finaly Adam couldn't know what Fenton feels inside to tell it about, and if you look whole movie and story/idea from a distance who is Adam's character at all, he is just a character for completition the family scene.
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Once more, movie is about father on one side and Fenton on oposite side, Adam's character is not important at all, he was just lunatic killer as his father was.

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[–] greensweater 19 years ago

Well said enkibilal, the whole ending and message (if there is any) of this movie just felt wrong on so many levels IMO. I guess if this movies main goal was to make me feel disturbed, it achieved it's goal, but I doubt it was the writers intention to make me feel cheated.

It could have been The Hills Have Eyes disturbingly brilliant, but for some reason they decide to take the silly way out and say "hey they really were demon hunters!" They could have been at least campy and fun about it. It's like they were trying to bash us over the head with the "twist ending that everyone will talk about". It was like ok, you're trying to be controversial, we get it, we really do.

I tuned in because the movie sounded good, and seeing as it only got two stars in the tv guide, I was all in for a b- horror movie. Then I started watching and decided, ok, it's not a b- horror movie as I thought, even better, a realistic horror movie about what really goes on in the world. Then we get the aforementioned Demon Slayers! cop out. Needless to say, I was offended I spent my time on this. And upon visiting this imdb board to see if I was missing the big picture, am even more pissed to find out I was right.

Well, at least it wasn't as bad as Maxium Overdrive.

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[–] kongen-6 18 years ago

Hey enkibilal! You should seek help! RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It only a FRIGG´N MOVIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It just made for entertaining purposes! Not to get your religious mind working overtime!!!!

ARGHHHHHH!!!!.....im actually offended by people who thinks like this....And BEAT THIS...Im religious too...I truly belive in GOD myself and i thought this was a brilliant movie! it just hinted that "what if...."

It was ment to tell a different story about serialkillers...a totally new plot angle!

Some people can not do anything today because some "crazy religious lunatics" (Dont take this personally : )thinks its offensive.....I think Jesus and God is ALL about good and love...and if a Director makes a film about "the jews are all demons...Thats actually just a different way to tell that story....Its NOT made to MAKE YOU SEE THAT AS THE TRUTH!

If i would take everything that happens personally...Oh boy.....Religion is about myself and my personal life.....Its not about forcing it on to anybody else!

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[–] grrrdevin 14 years ago

I was offended by the movie, and you weirdos can call me a demon as much as you like. And I can just think how people feel who have someone in the family killed by a serial killer. There are those people out there. Should they accept this movie as a piece of fiction? How about someone makes a movie about Holocaust, with a twist ending, all those Jews were in fact demons who deserved to be killed. Well, the director could always say it is a fiction. Or someone makes a movie about 9/11, where all those who died were demons. Would people be offended then?

... And all those slasher films, where the victims of a serial killer are portrayed as degenerate, reprehensible teenyboppers are so offensive to the families of ACTUAL serial killer victims! The movie Clue is likewise offensive because it portrays murders in a comedic tone!

This movie has a message that there are two kinds of serial killers. Those who are evil and those who are good.

Because the God's Hand victims were totally innocent and not murderous demons themselves. Oh, wait...

In all seriousness, despite your idiocy, I agree about the plot holes.

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[–] taz98027 19 years ago

for crying out loud.. all you Phucktards that got offended by this.. it's a F'ing movie.. you mean to tell me you would get offended by Jason Voorhees(scary man in Goalies mask and a machete) for killing all those teenagers because you like Hocky and you think it's unfair to all the hocky goalies.

thats just Flippin Stupid..

get a F'ing life people.. you shouldnt get offended by a story.. if you were so offended why did you watch the wholet thing? or at all for that matter.. dont you read the summery on the back of the DVD case or in the tv guide or better yet on here???

you can always turn on the god channel and watch benny hin and the lady with the cotton candy hair.. or even PAX..

your the same phucktards that blame the media for why our kids are acting violent.. it has to be the movies and games right? it's not the fact that you dont pay any attention to your kids or know what they are watching.. stop blaming the freaking media and start acting like a responsable parent.

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[–] Kimberwyn 19 years ago

I wouldn't get offended if a movie said God didn't exist or something like that. Because you know why? Its just a MOVIE. Its FICTION, and at the end of the day I still have my beliefs, so who cares? Once you gain a stronger sense of self you'll no longer rely so much on other people's beliefs.

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[–] ramencigar 19 years ago

I'm offended by the fact that I spent 2 hours of my life watching a movie with a crappy ending. Is that what you mean?

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[–] ramencigar 19 years ago

Uh, okay. It says someone posted in this today, but I don't see anything. Was it the deleted guy?

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[–] greatballsoffire 19 years ago

No one can imagine god as a killer commander. Only because thats not how he is intended to be taught. All this ingenious script really is, is another take on what God might really be like. Whos to say the bible wasnt told "right". Whos to say it was. Thats the point. No one really knows. UNLESS YOU RECIEVE A VISION FROM GOD, like Bill Paxtons character. So change it up, i even read some freaky old guys manuscript if you will, about God really being Lucifer, and Lucifer is God. Like switch thier places and names. God is in hell and Satan is in Heaven. If any of that makes sense. lol. Anyways, it was freaky. Its all in what you want to show an audience. and i believe frailty is a perfect suspense film.

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[–] cuttingedgenyc 19 years ago

People who are offended by the idea that *A FILM* is *pretending*
demons may really exist probably shouldn't go and see any kind of horror movie. Just saying.

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[–] delicatedream 19 years ago

I wasn't offended, but I do agree that it might be a little insensitive to families of serial killer victims. The film tells the story of the serial killers and so as a viewer you develop a relationship with the personalities of the killers and the victims remain practically unknown. This film in no way tries to suggest that their "destroying" demons was justified, even after revealing that they were in fact acting out god's will. It just so happens that it's an unhappy ending for the victims because the killer(s) get away with it, which does happen in reality. but IMO dad is totally schizo, and adam is an impressionalbe kid who loves his father. so when adam kills the "demonic" FBI guy, it's just a climax, a quick and easy (and predictable) way to end it and satisfy viewers... And it's sort of symbolic that evil people can disappear into the system and land very important and high paying jobs. you wonder why this world is so messed up, maybe our leaders are "acting out god's will."

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[–] uber-zebra 19 years ago

maybe? :P

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[–] Cheesoboy 18 years ago

Haha I could not have said anything better.

I am truly confused how people who are apparently so enraged and easily upset about "immoral" imagery and suggestions are watching HORROR movies in the first place. I mean, what did they expect to see...a bunch of smiling happy people holding hands and singing psalms? I have the DVD and it clearly has a tag of "horror" clearly across it...there was no deception in advertising.

I guess my opinion on the matter is: If you are the type that is going to get easily offended by HORROR movies that almost by definition are meant to disturb, disgust, and frighten people by taking commonly accepted concepts and turning them upside down or adding a downright freaky aspect to them, you probably should just rent/acquire/watch the latest romantic comedy or Disney movie instead.

Finally; admittedly this is because I have always enjoyed Bill Paxton in movies and just wanted to point out horrible illogic brought to the table by all these easily offended conspiracists: Bill Paxton directed the movie and Brent Hanley WROTE the movie. In case these off-kilter conspiracists are confused...a writer comes up with the idea, and the director, helps bring them to reality. Thus, all those people accusing Bill Paxton of being a Nazi or secretly plotting to change the ending intentionally offending all overly sensitive believers in God just to make his character a good guy are clearly IMO just trying a little too hard to reach for conclusions. The man is just directing the script that was approved...that's how a director works. Come on...at least use some logic people. Sheesh...

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[–] uber-zebra 19 years ago

I was enjoying the movie, and I foreshadowed at the beginning that the man confessing to the officer was witholding something, I even predicted the twist. I still think it was very well acted and a very clever horror and drama movie. And then along came The End. What an ending, what a dellarious piece of crap: YES I am offended, as a viewer because I was deceived, I was watching a clever movie and it comes up with a sassy X-Files ending. And I am offended as a person because the movie ends up condoning God-fueled-killing. I have my own prejudice towards religion and God, I see it in a way of my own, but nevertheless the religious bias of the viewer: to guide a movie with all that class and then to fall from such high ground to such a immoral ending is a shame. But it is not black and white, the movie leaves two little clues that the ending may have another layer of meaning, altough it's interpretation can't be changed (it really sucks, but I think it was made to suck, in order for the viewer to hate it and question it, read below).

The piece of redemption is when the movie itself goes against the ending, that is when young Adam and young Fenton watch in the TV a cartoon in which the following message is stated: "God doesn't make you do anything, God lets you decide what you should do, you don't have strings, you're not God's puppet." This lines in a way go against the Adam & Father paranoia.

Another point can be taken, that the ending is rather grim, the lead character ending in the position he ends, with the ideas he has, no matter his said powers and his said visions...

Let me put it this way: is it human to kill a demon? After all Fenton was a Demon to his father, and if he did anything wrong it was because his father completly destroyed his brains, so if he was a demon and his deeds were evil, they were provoked by his father. So if demons are peoples who commit evil deeds, don't they have the right to stand trial and justify their actions? Isn't the judgement of God done when one dies? Is anyone truly innocent?

While the islamic fundamentalists (the kind that bomb places and crash planes into towers) simply say "no" to all this questions, in the Christian world (USA specially) faith and fear like to blend in subtle ways, and to escape answering such a question series like Buffy are made.

Back on the point I wanted to make, the ending is grim and it seems the "true" God Hand will have a son. Why? Why to have this shown if not to reinforce the message that the doing of Father and Adam were wrong and that the new child will either be completly brainwashed, turn crazy, or killed (perhaps destroyed)?

I believe the movie contradicts itself and that it does so for one of two reasons:

It does so with the intent of subtle messages like those I underlined above to be taken, with the intent of the ending to be heavily debated (altough it can't be interpreted in more than THE way) and pointed as immoral, and for the apparent meaning of the movie to be contradicted (being that, the contradiction, the true meaning)

OR there is no intent and they're just there by accident and the film really sucks.

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[–] ramencigar 19 years ago

Yes! Thank you! Finally someone who gets it. What I loved about the first 80-odd minutes was the idea that this could actually happen (okay, maybe love is the wrong word). But then, just- ARG.

I never understood why they used that clip, knowing that they were going to end it the way they did.

The demons seem to be portrayed simply as "evil" humans, not some sort of supernatural beasts, which is why it's so strange that they never explain why God's suddenly taking hits out on them.

Oh, and I never liked how the father and Adam (killing because God told them to) are supposed to be the "good guys", while Fenton (killing for some unknown reason- to be killed?) is supposed to be the "bad guy" (even after we spent the greater portion of the movie sympathizing with him and wanting him to axe the father). Sure, Adam and the father were removing dangerous killers from the world, but does that really make them any better?

Hope at least some of that makes sense; I just woke up. Yeah, that's my excuse.

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[–] Lopsided55 19 years ago

What I loved about the first 80-odd minutes was the idea that this could actually happen (okay, maybe love is the wrong word). But then, just- ARG.

I never understood why they used that clip, knowing that they were going to end it the way they did.

The demons seem to be portrayed simply as "evil" humans, not some sort of supernatural beasts, which is why it's so strange that they never explain why God's suddenly taking hits out on them.

Oh, and I never liked how the father and Adam (killing because God told them to) are supposed to be the "good guys", while Fenton (killing for some unknown reason- to be killed?) is supposed to be the "bad guy" (even after we spent the greater portion of the movie sympathizing with him and wanting him to axe the father).

What you said. Up till the last few minutes it was a moving, scary film about mental illness & child abuse. I like twists, but not when the movie's better without them! (see also: High Tension)

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[–] reeseradu 15 years ago

ramencigar says'I never understood why they used that clip, knowing that they were going to end it the way they did.'
IMO they used the clip as a teaching moment for Fenton, who didn't get it, chose not to listen to his father(like Davey does in the clip) refused to pray and ignored G-ds will.

ramencigar says 'The demons seem to be portrayed simply as "evil" humans, not some sort of supernatural beasts, which is why it's so strange that they never explain why God's suddenly taking hits out on them.'

The father states that they are in disguise as humans, but are in fact daemons. They do explain why G-d is suddenly putting out hits on them when the father says the angle told him Armageddon had started and Satan has recently loosed thousands of daemons.

ramencigar says 'while Fenton (killing for some unknown reason- to be killed?)'

Fenton is early on revealed as a daemon, but his father doesn't want to believe it.

ramencigar says 'Sure, Adam and the father were removing dangerous killers from the world, but does that really make them any better?'

Yes, that does make them better because they are following G-ds revealed will. Beside which they are in fact human, unlike Fenton, so are not already judged as evil.

I respect the right to free speech, particularly when it exposes ignorance!

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[–] thegoodnamesweretaken 19 years ago

This is by far one of the most interesting threads I've seen lately..

I was NOT offended by this movie.. it was a great concept.

The father recieved a message from 'God' a when he touched the 'demons' he could see the evil they had commited. Does this give him the right to kill them? Maybe, maybe not. He certainly believed he was helping the world by weeding out the so called demons.

Some people have said that it was actually 'Satan' posesing the father to kill, but I don't believe that's true.. I think it would change the whole movie if that were true.

Anyway.. I don't really understand why people would be offended by the movie.. after all that is all it is, a movie. It is fictional.

Victims... aren't we all

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[–] uber-zebra 19 years ago

the question is simply who is more likely to incite murder? Here the concepts of religious Gods and Satans blend, it's a matter of how evil one thinks of killing, I think that's what the movie ultimately questions, what is Good and what is Evil? In my view, Adam and his Father are as evil or worse than those they killed. It could be God inciting them to murder (old testament kind of God, venguefull God, not what I concept as a christian God), it could be God testing them, but why would God test a faithfull servent just to see if he is trully a puppet? I do think that so would be an evil deed, for it to come from a godly entity, it would rather be Satan. (if we insist in such God/Satan terms, for if one steps out of christianism and puts religion aside, wouldn't the supreme creator of the world and etc, wouldn't he who is omnipotent be capable of evil and good alike? anyway another topic I guess)

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[–] irishpunk8 19 years ago

what i don't get is how people wan't to bash this movie. than they wan't give praise to hostel and saw and other types of movies this is just a movie. second of all the whole God using others to judge and put to death was just that God had tried them it was sort of like they were just taking care of the rest like todays death penalty if that makes any sense if you notice in the new testament with ceasar and kings it was then their job as governing officials but in the old testament it was the men of the church who did it. you don't here to much of apostles or anyone from chrisitan churches. oh yeah just cause you don't believe in religion doesn't mean you can't believe in God oh and about the whole executing thing if anyone else has an opinion let me know that was just an idea

"gasp" people who believe in God don't really mean to harm "gasp" but the mass grave sites found in iraq were real murder to clean up!

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[–] ramencigar 19 years ago

No, I'm pretty sure there really are demons. That, or the FBI likes to hire people with short-term memory problems and guys who spill things on their AV junk.

Wish it was up to the viewer to decide, though...

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[–] CptHowdy87 18 years ago

The movie made it clear that the people being killed by Dad were demons because of the acts they have committed like the old bald guy who lures children into his car with ice cream then drags them off to rape them and probably kill them and the woman who poisoned that guy, so this crap about everyone having right to a fair trial doesn't count in this movie with the people being killed because according to the movie they are demons who deserve to die.

People are reading way too much into this film, if you weren't satisfied with or didn't understand or appreciate the ending then you obviously have missed a point in the film in which certain things are explained clearly to the viewers that no Dad wasn't a wacko killing people he was being ordered to kill demons disguised as people.

As someone who has seen this film numerous times and fully understands the concept of the film I say that the only people who say they were offended by the movie or dissatisfied with the ending are people who a) didn't see the whole film b) people who don't understand the concept of a MOVIE or c) people who have missed the point and are simply confused.

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[–] gosundancekid 18 years ago

mattitude45,

hi, i strongly disagree with you and with those who share your view about the film Frailty

imo, the film does not support the meiks family's activities, and viewers who came to this conclusion are wrong. there are many clues in the film that suggest that the film is opposed to their activities

peace,
andrea

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[–] PipeAllSummerLong 18 years ago

care to elaborate?

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[–] gosundancekid 18 years ago

to Pipe,

if it's addressed to me, elaborate what?

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[–] atheistpeace82 15 years ago

well put CaptainHowdy187, I completely agree!

This movie is not offensive in any way. It was pure entertainment. Good script, good acting and very original. The twists were great.

On a side note: If God or an Angel of God (which as you can tell by my username, I don't believe in at all whatsoever) really appeared to me in some awesome revelation and then told me that I was now a chosen servant to do his will which included killing demons disguised as humans, I would totally do it.

I mean what else is there to do but to obey. Who am I to defy God, right?

Maybe I'd go see several doctors and get myself checked out first just so I could rule out the possibility that I somehow became mentally insane overnight. But If I was deemed sane, then i'd just wait for my demon list and follow it through.

I would have like a V.I.P pass straight into Heaven! And I could feel good knowing I took out some crazy freakin demons on Earth and saved innocent lives. I'm just saying it'd be hard to turn down a request by God that's all.

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[–] hippocratesfirst 15 years ago

I don't really understand why people would be offended by the movie.. after all that is all it is, a movie. It is fictional.

People live to be offended by anything and everything nowadays.

Happy Days are here Again!!

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[–] CONFEDERATEYANKEE 19 years ago

Anytime God or any other name for a higher power is used there will be debate. Not all agree that's how life is. As far as the movie, take it however you decide what is right for you. I think that is supposed to be what was meant by making it in the first place. Was it entertainment or was it insightful. Did it bore you or challenge your mind? These are the kind of questions I base my movie likes and dislikes on. This is why I thoroughly loved Frailty. It makes me think and post all over these boards trying to understand why others see it so differently.

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[–] dippy727 19 years ago

yea I was offended......that I didn't get to portray the pregnant wife of MM...I would have liked to have tried a little "method" acting ....hehehe

where ever you go....there you are

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[–] CONFEDERATEYANKEE 19 years ago

Must like the way he carries the 'fire arm' huh?

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[–] srobi280 19 years ago

Alright, let's cut the religious *beep* First of all, its a movie! What are you so offended about? Go to church! I am a complete atheist, I don't believe in god or the devil. I still found this movie to be chilling, dark, and very enjoyable. Just because I don't believe in god, does that mean I should hate this movie because the father turned out to be right? The truth is, this movie kicks ass! Period.

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