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Let's Get Real (SPOILERS)


I'm getting off the fence about this movie. I viewed it after it was recommended in a documentary on the IFC about sexuality in movies.

The director ruined what might have been a fine treatment on adolescent sexuality, sibling rivalry and the politics of beauty in the female community by tacking on one of the most ridiculous, out in left field, absurd endings ever put in a movie.

Talk about pretentious and heavy-handed. But Catherine Breillat's heavy hand was evident throughout. Some of the dialogue from the precocious mouths of both sisters, even the older one, was more the director than what each of those characters might have known to say. The problem with many adults is that they view precociousness in children through rose-colored glasses. They are charmed by the idea of 'out of the mouths of babes.' And when writing such a character, the writer, if too in love with this idea, forgets that children, even precocious ones ARE children and bound by the limitations of their own immediate experience. No doubt, some kids have keen minds, but part of their wise-beyond-their years ability is having learned to listen and retain information and apply it in the right situations. Their alleged wisdom is virtual wisdom. This dazzles adults to such an extent that it blinds them to the reality that these same children, when confronted with a life of experience of profound proportions, respond like most children because they simply do not have the life experience and perspective to be wise.

Some of the things that came of the mouth of the fat younger sister were simply defied credibility. I don't care if it was France and she was supposed to be precocious. Experience is the teacher that makes us wise. It's what forms perspective. Without it, you are just a kid.

But Breillat has this idea in her head of creating this girl who is so deep and so much more special than her beautiful sister that she manipulates the character in such specious ways that her specialness never comes forth. She is not the 'crystal' (Breillat's word) that shines in comparison to the bitch of a vain, cruel, exhibitionist sister. She simply looks like a greedy little, sullen, adolescent fat girl that when her mother slaps her you almost wish she'd slap her a few more times. I watched the interview at the end and there were a number of shots of the actress who played Anais getting fitted for costumes where she smiled the most enchanting smile. Breillat never captured even a single frame of that. Even sullen, moody adolescent girls have a moment of pure fun because they are, afterall still children capable of such abandon. It's the reason that that period of life is so difficult. It's the tedious transition into adulthood. And it's painful.

The ending. WTF????

What we're supposed to accept is simply the old adage that 'Sh_t happens.!' And yes it does. The rampant random violence in the world today is undisputable. And yes, it could happen this way. A family on the way home from vacation, coming from a life-changing revelation such as the loss of innocence of the older daughter, is brutally murdered by some nut on the side of the road. But really? Why choose that ending for a film whose principle discussion was of such validity?

If the point was to connect the end to theme of sexuality, all I can say to Breillat is SHAME ON YOU! If a male director had done that, this film would have been burned. Of course, the last scene was probably why she got the funding.

Too cynical? Not if you understand that men never tire of watching rape scenes in film. To men, such scenes titillate, stimulate and arouse. Rape is a sex act to men. If it wasn't, then the nut would have simply killed all 3 of them. No, he chose to get his rocks off with a little girl and an obvious virgin. For a woman director to fall into that trap is beneath contempt. RAPE IS NOT AND WILL NEVER BE A SEX ACT FOR WOMEN!

These 2 points are irreconcilable between the genders, which is why I gave up. If I never see a re-enactment of a rape in a movien again in life, it will be too soon. I refuse to watch. You've seen one, you've seen them all. If you're a woman, what's the point? To relive some other female's violation? (Actually, if Breillat had really wanted to make a point, she would have had the nut KILL Anais after he raped her. Showing how ugly rape/murder is and how little such men value a woman as a human being.)


There is no way to spin this ending. PERIOD! Anais says she wasn't raped. Is that supposed to be her way of coping? Excuse me, but the rape wasn't the only traumatic event happening at the end. A 12/13 year old girl witnessed her mother and sister being brutally murdered and her response is this? HELLO.... her mother and sister are DEAD!!!! The only rational thing you should draw from her response is that the kid has to be in SHOCK!!!

I'm not going to even go where someone on another board suggested, that the girl was glad he chose her instead of her sister. Sorry, but if that's true... then she has to be the most despicable character ever created in film. Not only is she an ugly fat girl, she's a miserable, contemptible, hateful little witch. (Wrong consonant)

If you want to see a few naturalistic scenes approaching the theme of adolescent sexuality, watch the film, then turn it off when they stop at the rest stop. The film is over. Breillat's 'ending,' is strictly for the boys.

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Not that you'll actually go out and find them, but the interviews and written materials provided with the Criterion edition of this film really shed some light on this film and the ending. Some people here are criticizing that the ending is not "realistic," and indeed they are correct. However, realism is not the intent of the director in this film. Indeed, in one of the interviews on the DVD the director actually says that she is "not a realist," and eschews realistic interpretations of situations. Maybe you appreciate realism in a movie, but that is not what the director was going for in the situation, or in the film as a whole. She was rather trying to make a point through a series of events, much like the Greek playwrights of ancient times.

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my problem with the film: how many teenage girls would actually engage in sexual acts in front of their little sister (or any people for that matter)? i know they had sibling rivalry, but it is so damn unrealistic and wrong on so many levels. if the director thinks its normal for teens to do that, she's out of her mind.
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if the director thinks its normal for teens to do that, she's out of her mind.


And if movie shows teens killing each other, robbing a bank, stealing and driving airplanes etc, it is normal teens behaving? Maybe there where you live...?

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im sorry, relevance?

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All these behaving is rather, in fact very extreme, rare (thank God) but that doesn't mean they (unfortunately) don't happen. Yet these behaving is rather often shown in movies, and nobody considers it weird. Why would any other behaving, including having sex in presence of sister - though I also believe not a common one - would be so impossible and unbelievable that it would ruin the whole movie? If they were a completely ordinary family, would they be worth making a movie (or, even if a movie would have been made, there would be a long line of posters screaming about the most boring movie ever made).

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"my problem with the film: how many teenage girls would actually engage in sexual acts in front of their little sister (or any people for that matter)? i know they had sibling rivalry, but it is so damn unrealistic and wrong on so many levels. if the director thinks its normal for teens to do that, she's out of her mind. "

While not an incredibly common situation, I doubt that it is anything that does not happen often enough. Think about how many siblings have to share bedrooms in their homes, I'd be more than willing to bet that this kind of thing happens.

Not quite the same as siblings, but I know plenty of people who in college had sex in their dorm room while their roommate was sleeping (or possibly not for all they knew...).

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On the contrary, being sexual around a sibling isn't very uncommon, at least in Europe (?). In fact, many siblings (regardless of country) experiment sexually with *eachother*, especially while in their formative years. Also, mzladymoon-1, about the rape...hmm, well, not *all* females are offended by viewing it in a filmsie. You'd be surprised by the amount of girls who would be *very* aroused by a scene like that. There are many girls who have rape fantasies and fetishes (Anousenka includedsie):9 It's not so difficult to believe that Anais was happy, on some level, that she was the one chosen to be 'raped'. She had been regarded as 'fat' and 'ugly', after allsies :s Well, Anousenka has been wanting to see this filmsie for quite a whilesie, nowsies! She should rent it from NetFlix, soonie ^-^ Yaysies! ^-^

<3, Anousenka ^-^

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The highest praise I give this movie is that it is realistic. It's the most realistic portrayal of teenage relationships I've seen.

The 15-year old girl who is isn't ready to have sex, the horny boy who keeps making up excuses for why they should do it. He then insists that she should settle for anal sex. He's left satisfied and she's left feeling abused and ashamed.
And of course how they think that they "love" each other and will get married.

As for the ending, what's unrealistic about it? If anything it's a good reminder why you shouldn't sleep in your car in a parking lot at night.

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Wow, is it 1974 again?

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Yep, could and would have been. Now just gratuitous, sensationalistic and cheap.

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How is the ending absurd when a sex offender drives to kill the people who are going to get him arrested? You think you'd see him coming before he strikes? Or you think he'd just give up? Just because the good guys didn't win may make it absurd for Hollywood, but this ain't Hollywood.

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Dear MzLadyMoon-1,

Let's get off the fence about this film, shall we? I'm going to discuss this with you point-by-point.

First: I must say I am shocked that you watch anything from IFC.

Second: The director made a film. If you believe she ruined anything ... well, let's just agree that everyone has his own personal beliefs, prejudices, and moral ideals on everything. In my humble opinion -- this is a beautiful film. Granted, I first saw it in 2001, 2002. My gut reaction was quite like yours. But I've recently revisited it. And ... now I get it.

Third: Let's talk about pretentiousness and heavy-handedness, shall we ...?

Fourth: The ending. WTF, indeed.

Fifth: ...Okay, honestly? I'm tired of playing this game. I really would like to watch this lovely, odd, and ironic film one more time, before my Amazon rental runs out. :-)

Namaste,
Debi Hagan

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