This Movie Caused the Downfall of the WCW
I don't think I'm alone here. I mean, c'mon..it comes out. Then the WCW shuts down operations. C'mon guys...Look....at...the....facts.
shareI don't think I'm alone here. I mean, c'mon..it comes out. Then the WCW shuts down operations. C'mon guys...Look....at...the....facts.
sharethis didn't caus ethe downfall of wcw that fagget eric bischoff did when he decided to be a dumbass and sold it to vince mcmahon in 2001
shareBischoff didn't sell WCW to Mcmahon. The new guy in charge of Time Warner's entertainment department decided that they did not want to put wrestling on the air anymore. Bischoff was trying to buy WCW up to this point, but after the news that they didnt have a cable channel to show it on, he backed out. Thus prompting Mcmahon to buy the company.
shareActually he had no control over the selling of WCW. AOL had taken over the company (TIME WARNER) and the execs felt that their networks needed to be more upscale, thus wrestling was canned. Its a shame, while the promotion had degenerated into a shadow of its former self, the subsequent lack of competition led to many workers being laid off.
shareInside disorder cuased the downfall of the WCW, with Eric Bichsoff and othgers vieing for power over, and people it was Ted Turner who sold WCW.
shareHey now, no need to get all pissy. I am just saying...David Arquette wins the title and then shortly thereafter, poof! WCW is gone. It is a tragedy.
And damn it...Sting is gone now too. Damn you's David Arquette. Damn you's.
Sting is still wrestling-- jut not with WWE.
The movie didn't hurt WCW... they were hurting already. But it wasn't the big bonanza that they hoped it would be either. There is an entire book out there on why the WCW went under and apparently there is a lot of blame to go around. David Arquette is probably the least guilty here..
this movie did nothing to harm WCW, WCW where already pretty much dead at this stage, theyd been dieing since a year or 2 before hand
shareWCW's downfall was the fact they got all the old wrestlers like Hollywood Hulk Hogan, Macho Man, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, Bret Hart and so on and just kept them at the top, Goldberg, Sting and Ric Flair were the only WCW guys added to the top and no one else was given top spot. So fans were just seeing what they watched in WWF years before. WCW had talentless backstage guys that didn't know what to do with its superstars like Steve Austin and Bret Hart. WWF got new stars like Austin, Hardy Boyz, Edge and Christian, Triple H, Mick Foley, Kane and took the old missused WCW stars like the late Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit, Perry Saturn, Dean Malenko and so on. So Ted Turner's money and missuse of stars was the Downfall of WCW. Long live WWE!
shareQuite frankly WCW was already on the road to its end by the time the movie came out. When Chris Benoit walked out on the company after winning the World Title it was the turning point where WCW never recovered. Plus WCW did stupid things like make Jeff Jarrett WCW champion.
shareThe downfall of wcw was because of the idiots eric bischoff and vince russo, and the people that allowed Chris Benoit to leave, and Goldberg's injury was the death bell for the company. they couldnt survive without him.
Isn't science fun Mickey?
Let's all just admit it WCW wasn't very good. I'm sorry if we have a lot of people that loved the company... but just like TNA it was a massive pile of dog$h!t and that is why the company went downhill. They needed new writers and things. Bischoff was a dumb@ss but a smart one. He knew he was going under why fight it. I will miss some of the talent WCW had but def. not the show.
shareU have to admit the symbol of the WCW was cooler than the one they had for the wwf...does anyone know where i can find a pic of that
Isn't science fun Mickey?
The WCW Symbol? google image search "wcw logo".
The demise of WCW was met when the corporate side went wrong.
Ted Turner wasnt in charge of his own TV Station when AOL got involved, and they didnt want WCW on TV, thus that hurt the company, and the company was for sale for a lot longer than we all know... the problem was that thecompany was so hurt that everything went downhill.
I felt that 1999/mid-2000 was some of the best wrestling I have seen (minus the Sting Heel Turn) then, when The Russo Bischoff Era ended, WCW Died before it was sold.
Companies didnt want to buy a has-been company or damaged goods company, and Vince Wanted the Video Library (because, face it, that is better than the WWF/E Videos) and it was a lucrative DVDs opportunity.
Buy the dvd The Monday Night War. It explains everything on how WCW went out.
shareI remember the Giant " later branded the Big Show" was the first guy with pulling power to cross the line from WCW to WWF in 1999. This was a rarity because the stream seamed to follow very strongly in the other direction, so he went against the tide. When Chris Jericho did the same that year, I remember thinking that WCW might be losing the plot because by 2000. At this time Jericho and the Big Show were experiencing greater success than they ever had on WCW; benoit, guerrero, saturn and malenko all appeared at the same night on RAW, I thought "OK, WCW is *beep*
Turns out, I was right. Apart from possibly Bret Hart, those old guys were all horse *beep* Bad marketing, and worse matches (blame kevin nash). I think if WCW had captured the undertaker around 1997 the overall result could hae been different. Thank you, Deadman! You are the best ever.
PS Shawn Michaels sucks, He use to be cool, but is now a fag.
I used to live in chicago (95-99) I was only 6-10 years old but I remember the WWF was much better than the WCW, the only good thing the WCW had was Sting and Golberg, WWF had THE ROCK, STONE COLD, CHINA...
WCW was never that good
I heard that now it's called the WWE
they say that's crap... I'll have to see it for myself
wcw had captured undertaker?????? correct me if i'm wrong but the top guys who helped push out wcw were triple h, undertaker, stone cold steve austin, and mankind/dude love/cactus jack/mick foley!!! all these guys were former wcw wrestlers turned wwe. in fact in foley's book wcw shot itself in the foot thanks to his being awarded the title, wcw announced the main event outcome on wwe and sure enough people tuned into wwe to watch the match. i remember watching a wcw ppv where mean mark lost to marc mero this is pr etc.oof they didn't know what to do with him, once he hit wwe the commentators were talking about his awesome upside and started the legend of the undertaker. i think the reason he and the others caught fire in wwe was vince's development team took them in new directions and with the exception of the ringmaster they all caught fire, where wcw brought in the established guys and had them repeat what they had already done, only real innovation was the nwo but that got out of hand with like 3 or 4 different groups and no loyalty amongst the lower status guys. and as stated before when wcw did try new things the commentators were horrid, alex wright as berlyn coulda been good til he was dismissed as alex wright with a new haircut etc...
shareIn the 96-98 period WCW was waaaaaaaay better than the WWE i was an avid wrestling spectator in that period and watched both products. WCW was superior in every way: better Wrestling matches (mostly in midcard rankings and the cruiserweights Benoit, Guerrero, Mysterio, Malenko, Jericho), better storylines (nWo, Sting, Goldberg, Jericho was hillarious) and overall a better product. WWE wasn't bad infact it was much better than it is today but WCW was just better. By 99 all that changed as we know and WCW became a shadow of what it was and by late 2000 early 2001 it was pure crap the only thing that was worth watching were the cruiserweights.
I miss WCW A LOT and still watch WWE today but the mid-late 90's were definately the best period to be a Wrestling fan...oh and this movie was just another crappy thing hapening in WCW it contributed to it's donwfall but it was just one of the many many many reason behind it.
Sorry about my english ;)
dude, are you seriuos this is like the greatest movie of all time
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I agree. Compared to all the other Wrestling movies out there (Body Slam!, Mr. Nanny, No Holds Barred...) this is a great movie. You have to be a WCW fan to undersyand it and appreciate it though.
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i think it died when they made the storyline of Goldberg having to break his winning streak. and the way it ended was CRAP!!! damn kid pepper sprayed him
shareWhen the NWO invaded and took over WCW, it was the single greatest wrestling show of all time. When WCW broke up the NWO and made into RED and BLACK....that was the reason for the WCW downfall. IMO........
shareum not at all. WWE BOUGHT WCW AND IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MOVIE. IT HAD TO DO WITH ERIC BISCHOFF, AND HOW BADLY HE WAS RUNNING THE SHOW AND OF HOW BIG OF AN A$$ HE WAS...ERIC BROUGHT THE WCW TO THE GROUND..NOT THE MOVIE!
shareVince Russo, enough said
shareThe 'Monday Night War' is a WWE DVD...It is biased against WCW and takes creative liberty to portray events in WCW and ECW inaccuratly so that Vince shines through...Check out the WCW book mentioned earlier for a more accurate story
BTW NWO WOLFPAC RULED! 4-EVA!
Eric Bischoff's only mistake was that he was over confident with his product. THat's it. If Bischoff was guilty for anything, it would be that he brought WCW to its prime.
The rest of it was the wrestlers who monopolized in the back so they stayed on top, like Hogan, Nash, etc.
And also the company told Bischoff to leave the company for a while and so they brought in Russo, who tried to save the company, but also had to deal with the backstage polotics of some wrestlers, and so he failed. He wasnt good anyway.
The wrestlers were also given creative freedom to their TV personas, which was a big mistake.
They wanted Eric to come back, but right when he was about to, they told him that the deal was off and later on was sold to Vince
So there ya go.
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dont be a big chicken. eat one
alot of people mention the bischoff mistake from when he told everyone about the wwf results, but u can't forget about the time DX went to where WCW was being held, and bischoff shut the doors on them, now the smart thing to do would have been to let them in, then WWF veiwers would have turned to WCW to see what DX was doing, deffinatly would have been a way to put out ur best matchs and storylines and take some WWF fans away
shareeverybody listen, ratings went to *beep* when Russo took over. WCW was already sold when Ready to Rumble came out. it was a last ditch effort to make some money. just watch the last WCW events, theyre all publicity stunts and other stupid *beep* one of the last events they had was Sting getting set on fire and falling of the screen(cant call it a titan tron) WCW was as good as gone for a while before the movie came out. Bischoff had the ratings up for years, Russo ran it down in less than half that time. WCW was always headed for nothing.
shareTo he People bashing Eric Bishoff...Bishoff and company (i.e. a few business partners) were going to buy WCW and run it..once he and company found out that a TV deal didn't come with it they backed out not knowing that the MASSIVE video libary would of went with them if they bought it..what they could of done was broken that video libary up and sell it off bit by bit and made more money..
AOL Time Warner bought TBS and such and didn't want wrestling on thier programs, thats why they sold it to Vince..
The Main problem with WCW alot of the Top Tier guys like Hall,Nash,Hogan kept threating to leave if they didn't stay on top cause of thier creative control of thier characters..thus guys like Benoit, Jericho and Gurrero never had thier chance to be in the spot light..in fact all three names mentioned were over joyed when WCW had to close.
Undertaker would of never went back to WCW because like most of the WWE wrestlers WCW screwed him over, another reason why WCW folded..THey told Steve Austin that he wouldn't draw a dime on black boot and black trunks...opps
The movie didn't cause WCW to fold only one guy was resposible for it...Vince Russo..remember if you have a wrestling company and you want your rival to fail..see to it that they hire Vince Russo
thaaaank you. its was Vince Russo's fault. this guy knows his stuff.the movie was a small part in the downfall.
THE SHOCKMASTER!!!!!!!!!!!
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I still think its funny that people are making a big deal that TNA is going Prime time on Thursday..note not against eathier Raw, ECW or Smackdown.. serious a die hard fan of wrestling can get like what 6 hours or wrestling a week..7 if you count the replay of TNA..but mind you yeah wrestling won't be the same for awhile..the wrestling cycle runs on a 7 year high than a 7 year lows than back to 7 year highs..as soon as TNA grows some they will go head to head against Raw but seeing how they do 2 weeks worth of shows in one day they fear Vince might do a Bishoff and spoil the results..not that sites already do that..
now a pregnancy storyline in my mind would be good if Ric Flair was gonna retire I'd say hell let him finish his career with Triple H and it reveled that Stephine's kid is Ric's just to get that feud off the ground but yeah running that same ol BS was Russo's posion to WCW
I remember when Vince was on that "I'm gonna kill the WWF with posion." I thought..hell don't tell me he hired Russo..but yeah I forsee bad storylines for at least 3 more years..hopefully in late 2008 early 2009 it should make a swing up..(note I do know that Stephine has had the child)
Russo gets entirely too blame for WCW's downfall. The company as a whole was already dying before Russo was brought on board. A lot of things can be attributed to WCW's death. Ted Turner never actually running his show, and giving a check book to Bischoff to do what he wanted is one of the biggest faults in the company. That decision led to Hogan, Nash, Hall, Savage etc. refusing to job, taking long, paid sabbaticals, when the company needed new stars or at least star power on big shows.
The nWo was great for a storyline and a stable, for the first year or so, then it got too big and dragged on for too long. Ditto for Goldberg, he was a huge star for his streak, but it could only last so long before even his biggest marks would have grown tired of it.
There's also deeper financial issues. Management changes. etc that should be pointed at, not a movie that featured non wrestlers beating their semi-maineventer.
This movie caused David Arquette to win the WCW title which while not the only reason was certainly a factor in the downfall of WCW. Therefore while not totaly responsible this movie has to be considered a part of WCW's downfall.
shareWow, i never thought this thread would get as long as it did. It was seriously a joke, I don't care if hte movie caused the downfall for the WCW or not. Either way, this thread was for some good debate...haha.
shareThis is a great movie - I've watched it over and over again. No way did it bring down WCW. It probably would have done the opposite. Great to see so many of the boys in it. DDP is terrific - a real character.
I love it.
WHY IS EVERYBODY BLAMING RUSSO ALL THE TIME!!!!
He had barely any power on the show for two main reasons.
With in the two years(the same two years the company was in the *beep* When he was in the company he was there for 9 months only.
The second is the the backstage politics with Nash, Hall, and Hogan.
If he was there for longer and if he had more power I believe he would of had a good chance of taking the company out of the *beep*
The David Arquette angle, no mather how stupid it was, braught alot of media attention on the company which lets face it, its a possitive for any company, and wrestling isnt exactly taken seriously by the majority of earths population anyway, its just entertainment.
I think Russo was trying to get around to doing something good for the company and he knows what a wrestling television show needs for ratings.
russo may not have had that much power in the company, but it was his TERRIBLE writing that gave a big blow to the company. russo didnt kill WCW, but he hurt it badly. i mean i shiver at the thought of those later story angles: the MIA, Commissioner Nash, BERLIN AND THE BALD GUYS UGH!, david flair, and all sorts of fallacies. now i know nash was running a muck back there, and his storyline with him being crazy could have been completely on him, im not 100% for sure. all i know is that this movie did not kill WCW. I personally love this movie and makes me seriously nostolgic for those earlier WCW days. my personal favorite would definately be the flair/piper fued, landing flair in the nuthouse. priceless! but dont be bashing this movie for killing the WCW we loved. WCW unfortuneatly killed itself and wrestling has sucked ever since. Thank god for TNA with keeping that style of wrestling alive, just with a more extreme presentation.
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Read: The Death of WCW by RD Reynolds, to find out how WCW died.
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