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How many of you are perplexed by the hate for this movie?


This one of my all time favorite movies. I remember coming out of the cinema in awe of it, only to find out, perplexed, that other people didn't like it at all. I even found out my girlfriend at the time hated it, for pretty much all the wrong reasons, which was disappointing.

I guess, the polarizing movies (and art in general) are usually the ones that create a deeper impact in the people are a fit to like them, and a greater distaste for the people are not.

Most of my favorite movies seem to be like this: Brazil, Donnie Darko, Memento, Mulholland Drive, Dogville, etc...

Of course, there's also the stupid herd behaviour, which makes people sometimes flock to one opinion, because it's the "cool" opinion, like for example, hating The Titanic or Forest Gump. We all know that all the "cool people" hate these movies.

What's you opinion on this?

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It's kind of adorable to watch you explain why you like all of the good movies for all of the right reasons...
while everyone who dislikes those same movies, dislikes them for the wrong reasons.

"of course, there's all the stupid herd behavior, which makes people sometimes flock to one opinion"....

You brave maverick, you... marching head held high into that dark evening.



More seriously, maybe some people don't like a nihilistic movie about a self-centered robot who, with the help of aliens, conjures a dead woman back into existence.... minus her real son and husband.
Now, sure, some may like that. Some may be taken away by the programmed emotions of a robot. Thankfully that program was running in a robotic boy opposed to a toaster that could talk and run the same program.... I'm sure the emotional pull would be diminished a bit if it were a toaster instead.
But, just because others aren't equally swayed by the premise doesn't make them any more benighted and you any more enlightened for liking it.

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That has got to be the most ludicrous comment I've read hear. You've just touched on the central theme of the whole film (the line between life & death, human & A.I.) and then you dismissed it like those blokes at the flesh fair, who see meccha's as nothing more than electrical appliances. You've also touched on the key to understanding the ending - Monica returns but her real son and husband. The Monica resurrected is a fake; an idealised version of the real one who's designed to unconditionally love David just as David was created to unconditionally love Monica. But everyone bought their love didn't they? So what does that say about us?

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No... Monica was who Monica originally was. Remember the whole talk about the space/time maintaining their memories?
That was a clone of Monica but a clone that had the perception and memory of the original Monica. The aliens explained it.


And yes.... that was a program the boy was running on. He had to be turned on via an invocation of uttering some random words, to 'start' the program.
The program that's running is pleasing because it's in a young, adorable boy... if it were placed in a toaster then people very well may not have the same affection for it.

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I'm sorry but I suggest you go back and watch the film again. The problem with the ending is that people believe the supermecha's b.s. story about creating Monica for a single day. They even brought the blue fairy statue to life, for gods sake. David's in a simulated environment where nothing is real (not even the sun & the moon). The Monica they create is nothing like the one we saw from before, she's a fake designed only to unconditionally love David, just as David was created to unconditionally love Monica. Even the screenwriter Ian Watson came out and said that the ending was to emphasise how solitary and personal love really is, David doesn't even realise that his mother's been replaced (and apparently neither does the naive audience).
The supermeccha's are doing precisely what Prof. Hobby was doing earlier in the film, but in subtler forms. They give David what he wants while they observe him to see what happens. He's the last connection with humans, they study him. The ending shows you how self-delusion can result in wish fulfilment. Audiences took the mecha story as "truth", and so left disappointed, faulting Spielberg for putting a "happy ending" onto the film, when he did the exact opposite. He simply shot it from David's emotional p.o.v., in a sequence that is a cousin to the ending of 2001.

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Thank you nameless, that was beautifully explained. I've posted about the ending here before here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0212720/board/nest/169437885
"Here is the official explanation for the ending"

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Horseshit

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Double horseshit, Anubis. You beat me to it. Sometimes I am revolted by a movie etc. because of the intellectual limp dicks who like it so much. This is one.

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Agreed. This one and The Master are films that have followings that seem to come with an honorary diploma of Intellectual Altitude. Waving it around proves they are right.

A.I. is a pretentious 4/10 at best.

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i like this story also, but wonder if it is just speculation or is there anything INSIDE THAT MOVIE'S UNIVERSE that shows this explanation as the truth, inside the movie?

If not, it's just good fan theory. We are only allowed to believe what is shown inside the movie.

Does one of the super mechas elbow his partner and whisper "He fell for it" ?

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I stopped taking you seriously when you said Aliens.

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Seems a reasonable thing a foolish person would do. Okay, they weren't aliens they were robots.

Good to discount semantics for an error in syntax.

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Calling them aliens when they are robots is an error of semantics, not syntax.

Incidentally, calling out the difference between syntax and semantics is also semantics.

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The fact that you think those advanced mechas were aliens, is a perfect example of someone not liking a movie for the wrong reasons.

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The film has now gotten a lot of recognition though, especially among critical communities. But this is the sort of film that you'll either love or hate.
I've said this before & I'll say it again, A.I. is Spielberg's masterpiece, his most ambitious & thought provoking film to date & the key to the film's success was Stanley Kubrick. It's no secret that Kubrick was a better filmmaker than Spielberg but it's also no secret that they were polar opposites. But miraculously, this film brings out the best in both artists. A.I. (like Pinocchio) takes an artificial creation on a journey of humanity and in doing so, it tries to understand the very nature of the human condition. Those who say that it should have ended a few scenes earlier or that the bits with Gigolo Joe are the best parts might as well be speaking to me in a foreign tongue. Just like Kubrick's 2001, A.I. is a philosophical meditation on sentience, mortality and god and frankly, through all my subsequent viewings, it continues to move and speak to me more than any feature I’ve seen since.
Look no film can win over everyone and usually, the more ambitious a film is, the more divisive it is. A.I. is in fact peculiarly disturbing in its all-encompassing nihilism. It suggests that humans are always torn between a will to live and a will to die, love is seen as an illusion, self-delusion leads to wish fulfilment and belief in god (i.e. the Blue Fairy in this case) is man's desperate attempt to give meaning to his purposeless life. But regardless of whether you share the film's pessimistic viewpoint, Spielberg makes an awful lot of other film-makers look timid and negligible by comparison and that's something that's not easy to do.

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This film is a masterpiece. And the fact that it was a relative disappointment in box office terms, certainly in comparison to the first Harry Potter film which was released that same year, says everything you need to know about the general taste of the cinema audience- namely, when given the choice between a challenging piece of work which makes you think, and an undemanding special effects fest people will choose the latter every time!
I take the point, that like all great art, this film will provoke strong reactions- including dislike, and that's fine. But isn't it revealing, that most of the more vocal critics of AI are simply wrong? As stated above, this is FAR from a sugar coated Spielberg ending! It seems clear to me that David is actually terminated at the end. The super mechanism are using him for their own ends, just as the humans did.

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YES!

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I take the point, that like all great art, this film will provoke strong reactions- including dislike, and that's fine.


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This is merely a double talk POS argument that the art world has used to push "modern" sham art.

In general, good art is hailed by EVERYONE. Think of the old masters and relatively recent artists before the modern mess got started. Everyone was in general consensus regarding good art.

There is no one out there screeching that Botticelli's masterpiece Primavera is crap and created by a crap painter.

AI is not a good movie. It has elements that could be a good movie. But it also has elements that make it crappy. Hence why it polarizes audiences.

If it was a great film, there would be less criticism or none at all.

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People criticize "great" films all the time....Taxi Driver, Irreversible- were they met with universal praise? forgive me, but to say greatness depends on everybody liking it, is an odd definition

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Art is known by sight almost immediately. There is no choice factor in it.

The problem with film is that it is not a sight medium but a sound medium (interesting definition by Marshall McLuhan). So we have to like what we hear with a film. If the film has a relatively logical story, hits upon common human experience and looks interesting than it receives notice almost immediately. However that is not the case, it is quite hard to get it all working.

So most often we get half baked stories with one note characters and lovely images. Of which I count this film. It strikes me as Spielberg trying to be Kubrick by stringing various story ideas from the dead man.

Frankly I can't take the concept of AI seriously. It will never come to pass in reality.

I'm sure Kubrick had a great amount of things to say about Humans being replaced by automatons due to the elite wanting all the pie...but Spielberg missed the train. He should have just gone his own way.

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I respect your opinion, as its clearly sincerely held and you articulate it well. All I can say is that Kubrick himself thought Spielberg the ideal man to film this story, and as someone who thinks that he IS capable of reigning in the sentimentality he's frequently accused of (I didn't spot much in Munich), I agree- and thought he did an amazing job. Particularly with the ending, but I know that many disagree......

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I have no doubt that Spielberg was the right man for the job. However, this film needed Kubrick's iron hand behind the scenes.

If Kubrick had lived, we would have received a much better and most likely different film. Kubrick would have handled the rational side and Spielberg would have only concentrated on the fairy tale magic side. Instead Spielberg had to handle both aspects. It isn't that he isn't capable of being a cynical realist, it is that he doesn't want to be.

The crux of the film was not AI. The only evidence we saw of AI was Gigolo Joe and more likely, Teddy. David was only following a program.

The crux of the film was the massive destruction of the human populace due to the needs of the elite. The little people destroying the machines were shown as the bad guys. BUT THEY WERE NOT. They were literally fighting for their lives! They were literally being replaced and allowed to die due to poverty and starvation. The machines never killed off humanity. It was the rich and powerful humans who did that crime.

But this never comes through under Spielberg's interpretation. There are hints of it but that was only due to Spielberg following Kubrick's notes. Again this story would have been present in a stronger degree if Kubrick had not passed away.

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A.I. is ranked among the TSPDT list of the 1000 greatest films ever made, the sight & sound poll of the greatest films ever made, the Cahiers du Cinema poll of 250 greatest films (& it's also the only Spielberg film to have made the list).
It may have been ridiculed when it first came out but now it's a very very highly acclaimed film, one of the most acclaimed films from the past decade. In fact it's the critical resurgence that proves to me that A.I. is indeed a great work of art, a film worthy of intense debate.

In a peculiar survey of critical reaction, Variety reported that the two most common modifiers used by other members of the fully-opposable thumbs-down tribe were variations on “hypnotic” and “boring,” “fascinating” and “frustrating” – another way of erecting an intellectual posture while acknowledging A.I. wasn’t the easily swallowed formula pap they’d been weaned on. Could they get away with that sort of dull literal-mindedness writing about any other art-form but movies?

Like most of Kubrick's films, A.I., a wondrously accomplished, ambitious and moving meditation on sentience, mortality and god, was denigrated to an almost incomprehensible extent when it first came out & a worrying number of mindless critics, desperately trying to justify their lack of understand & baseless generalisations, embarrassingly claimed that they “loved the Kubrick parts of it but hated the Spielberg parts,” as if an artistic collaboration like this film, which for my money stands as the greatest achievement of either artist, could be reduced to bits and pieces. There’s an irreducible complexity to a work of art.

The whole film itself plays out in this weird uncomfortable not-quite-happy, not-quite-sad tone, a result of Kubrick's chilly bleakness squaring off against Spielberg's warm-hearted optimism. Ultimately, A.I. achieves a level of profundity rarely seen in cinema, a haunting and evocative masterpiece that goes into the very heart & soul of what it truly means to be a human being.

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>In general, good art is hailed by EVERYONE.

>If it was a great film, there would be less criticism or none at all.

Wow. This is truly one of the most idiotic things I've ever seen anyone post. I almost want to congratulate you for posting something so fucking stupid. Kudos, retard.

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To answer the title I AM. I quite enjoyed it, it's always been on my list of movies that I adore on a myriad of levels.

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This is one of Spielberg's best films. Top 5 for me.

It gets better and better with time.




"Rampart: Squad 51."

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So glad we are revisiting this movie. In my opinion (my opinion only), it was one of the best directed, best acted of any movie I have watched. Don't understand the hate, but will acknowledge that there are "wannabe" script writers, "wannabe" directors, and "wannabe" actors. Admit to yourselves that you haters are just that. Haters that wish you had a smidgen of Speilburgs talent. Haters that wish you were as talented as Haley Joel Osment and Jude Law. Really hate this site sometimes, because it allows these ridiculous comments about this, and other truly great movies. Thinking people post negative reviews, because hey, what the F##k else do you have in your life to do?

darlenebeau

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I wouldn't say I'm perplexed. When it was first announced relatively shortly after Kubrick's death that Spielberg was going to direct it, the Kubrick fanbase instantly lost their s hit that the King of Cheesey Schmaltz had the audacity to rob Kubrick's grave. The assclowns had no idea that Kubrick himself wanted Spielberg to direct and tried very hard to convince him, but Spielberg refused. These petulant dickbags declared that A.I. sucked long before it was even in production. Long before it was in theaters, it already had a bad reputation. When it was released they simply got louder about it. They set the tone and many followed their lead, including some "professional" critics. It's not a perfect movie, there's no such thing. But most of the pointed criticisms are a load of crap that can be easily countered.

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My opinion is that we can all agree that Haley Joel Osment has stupendously failed the test of time and should not have been cast in this turd, which he made a turd by his charisma-sucking presence.

And, Duff etc., you don’t have the stones to write “shit”? How unimpressive. I mock.

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It was back when these were the IMDB boards with a profanity censor. If you wrote "shit" it wouldn't post. Notice I had no problem writing "dickbag" because the filter wasn't set to catch that. Comprende? You fucking shit head dumbass fucktard? I mock.

Or maybe it was just a typo, who knows...

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It’s a great movie but in a world comprised predominantly of dumb mammals it doesn’t surprise me at all that this struggled at the box office and elicited hate from some of said dumb mammals.

It’s challenging, philosophical and bleak - you put that against Harry fucking Potter and you’re going to lose… financially.

A.I. feels more like a 70’s film, when it was assumed that the audience had a brain. Credit to Kubro, Spielbag and the studio for making it.

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