the ending


who was that on the moon in the ending? i wasn't paying much attention and the tv was fuzzy. who was it and how did they get there? were they dead? any answers are much appreciated :-D

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I think Tommy Lee was just relaxing. You can see his hands are folded behind his head.

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Didn't you notice the foot prints at the end? He obviously was originally alive when the landed on the moon.

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Hawk had cancer and decided to fly the missiles near to the moon. The moon's gravity would accelerate them into space. Hawk landed on the moon and then dragged himself so that he was propped up against a rock looking at earth until he died when his oxygen ran out. This was quicker than dying of pancreatic cancer and a damn sight less painful.
It was nescessary for him to do this as the missiles were locked onto major US cities and the would fire when the satellite started re-entry, thinking that Moscow had been destroyed.

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Hmmm... dying from asphyxiation couldn't have been very pleasant. But I agree that it looked like there were footprints that would suggest he was alive when he landed on the moon.

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Hmmm... dying from asphyxiation couldn't have been very pleasant. But I agree that it looked like there were footprints that would suggest he was alive when he landed on the moon.


Actually it's supposed to be quite euphoric and stimulating.

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Nope. He would suffer from CO2 poisoning long before he suffered from loss of oxygen. CO2 toxicity is most certainly not a pleasant way to go.

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Isn't that what divers suffer from if their oxygen mix is off? It makes them almost trip out and start seeing things, feel really happy, take off their tanks, and run amongst the anemones, just before wanting to go to sleep.

It's deadly, of course, but I can think of worse ways of going. Drowning and suffocating for example.

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That's not a result of CO2 toxicity. What you are describing sounds more like excess nitrogen and not CO2. CO2 smothers you - certainly not pleasant. Ever held your breath? Did you enjoy the feeling as your body began pushing you to breath, to get more oxygen into it? Now imagine you ARE breathing but experiencing the same sensations, but can't get away from it...well, I hope you get the idea.

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That's suffocating, then. I agree, it's a horrible way to go.

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But it's much less painless than any organ cancer.

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Actually, it takes 3-4 days to get to the moon from Earth orbit. His oxygen supply would not have lasted that long especially since he had already been out on the EVA for quite a while at the time. And when the booster he was on crashed onto the surface of the moon the impact would have either thrown him clear of the impact site or crushed his body.

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....thats what i was thinking. i was shocked, and kind of freaked, when i got the DVD, and took a good look at that part. the idea that he actually survived to crawl to the rock is scary in itself, but it is yet another part of the fantasy that he could have survived to get their alive to begin with, never mind go sit down to watch the earth rise. i'm just glad they didn't show inside his helmet...that would have been more than i could cope with ....brrrr!

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Well, technically it's impossible, but given he was supposed to be such a great pilot I could give his character the benefit of the doubt and pretend that he managed to save enough fuel to do a fairly soft landing on the Moon. Given the relatively limited damage to the satellite and the short gouge in the lunar surface behind, it seems obvious that it was supposed to have 'crashed' there while travelling slowly.

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Um, not on the DVD I just watched...

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Take another look; his arms are NOT folded behind his head at all. They're laying at his sides. *Just watched it again*

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Are you kidding me?? I suggest you watch the movie properly before asking such strange questions... Of course it was Tommy Lee Jones Charakter... If he is dead in that exact scene, we dont know for sure. He'll die on the moon anyway so it doesn't really matter.

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for me, then ending was the perfect classy eastwood touch. tommy lee jones dead contemplating earth while in the soundtrack we listen "fly me to the moon"...only eastwood could have come up with that...

good fun movie...

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Did anyone ever think that the footprints on the moon at the end of the film were put in to represent those of Neil Armstrong and other astronauts who walked on the moon? A little common sense was all that was need to figure that one out.

And character is spelled c-h-a-r-a-c-t-e-r...not c-h-a-r-a-k-t-e-r...get it right please.

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That was the dumbest ending ever, their is no way that Tommy Lee Jones could have landed on the moon. He would have been killed from either the G-force when 6 nuclear rockets fired at the same time, or if they did stop he would still be going so fast that he would plow into the moon probably kill himself, and detonate all of the war heads, and then blow the moon up and then kill us all, when the moon came and collided with earth.... My roomate just informed me that after watching Armageddon that the moon would not blow up. However the rockets would be traveling so fast that it would have cause a hole more then 800 feet deep, thus providing you with enough depth to blow up the moon. If you don't believe me watch Armageddon, that smart scientist guy says it.

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who cares eh? Thats why its called a MOVIE, not a NASA Training Video.

get over it.

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Well put. Thought it was a great ending, and a great movie.

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Gee, you figured all that out by watching Armageddon and listening to "the smart scientist guy"? Wow, genius, I'm, like, so impressed.





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Like, whoa, surferdude, you're like SO FUNNY!!
Seriously, I know its a ridiculous ending, too, but I don't care. Besides, the missles didn't hit the moon, Hawk sent them into outer space.

If you were an alien observing this planet. would YOU want to make contact?

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Except the 800 foot depth thing had nothing to do with the moon in Armageddon... It was how deep the bomb had to planted to crack the COMET along a pre existing fault line... So how does that relate to blowing up the moon?

I am the Lord of The Monkeys.

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That smart scientist guy was a character in another movie. What he said does not relate to reality or this movie.

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Dude, what are you smoking? The Moon is 1/4 the size of Earth, you can't blow it up even if you used every nuke humanity has ever created. At the same time. Buried under the Moon's crust. It also wouldn't affect the Moon's orbit any.

It'd make a nice little crater, though.

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The flight director said that Hawk was able to send the missles into space and when the camera pans to Hawk on the Moon his name is clearly visible.

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What g-forces???!?! He was in space!!!!

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It doesn't matter that he was in space - when those rockets fired, inertia would exert g-force. You were standing still relative to the rockets, then suddenly you were "kicked" forward at a startling rate, causing g-force.

Please apply simple physics!

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WAIT! This film and Armageddon are NOT (double-fact-checked) documentaries?! Really?!

But at least the scientists in all Hollywood movies are never wrong, right?

'Cause they're NOT really actors reciting whatever dialogue the writers decide on, right?

But are actual scientists all with PhD's in various disciplines of science, right?

Who only act in movies in their spare time, right?

Thus, all of this can be easily verified by merely reading the appropriate entry in Wikipedia - just as soon as I submit said article, right?

P.S. The only person in the family of my best friend from high school onward (who actually designed hand tools in Texas used on the shuttles) whom I've never met: his sister who died aboard the Columbia space shuttle....

It's ALL about perspective & what really matters.

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Ten other guys went to the moon you know...

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Sorry but 12 men have set foot on the moon. Apollo 11, 12, 14, 15, 15, 17 - 2 men on each.

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That's why they said ten OTHER guys.

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you guys are all a bunch of retards, its fun to sit here and watch you fight like senseless bitches, its a god damn movie

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I agree. They argue that this film isn't factual by refering to another film which is also not factual. What a load of bloody arse holes I think it was a good film and I don't care if it was impossible for Hawk be alive after impact. The point is that he accomplished his life's dream and the scene with him propped againt a rock facing towards the earth makes you think that for a few minutes he was probably the happiest he had ever been.

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I just watched it on bbc1.

1) He took on extra oxygen so he could make the journey.

2) Those were his foot prints, the chances of him landing on the moon and finding another landing site are very very small. (doubt he would have made it, but it was a nice ending anyway)

3) If the nukes would have hit the moon, it wouldn't have done much damage, nukes make a big bang, but they aren't too good at making large damaging the earths crust. Even if it would have destroyed the earth, the effects are smaller than you'd think. The major change would be smaller tides (sun would still give small ones)


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Obviously you meant "destroyed the moon". I conform with the rest.

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Well, may be it's me but you lot havn't thought of the fact that it might be Eastwood's character just daydreaming and picturing Hawk there as would liked to have been. Anyone else agree?

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Nice theory that, could be possible

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Cheers!

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i agree 2 :)

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That's exactly what I though.....just before you see the shot of Hawk on the moon don't you see Clint looking up at the moon? (just before "Fly me to the moon" kicks in?) it's obviously Clint's character imagining his friend has finally made it to the moon.

Anyway, it wasn't meant to be taken as a serious ending. It was a nice touch and fitted the film perfectly.

I eat green berets for breakfast. And right now I'm very hungry!

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It's also a nice (though perhaps unintentional) tip of the hat to Robert Heinlein's short SF story "Requiem"--published in 1940, but famous enough in SF circles that I could imagine Eastwood or the screenwriters being aware of it.

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yeah it was hawk on the moon, but who cares if he died or not,its only a movie,most movies are made up,so it dosnt really matter how it ended just so long as it was a belivable imagination to the story.
But yeah it was hawkins still left up there,and even though it was really sad,it was a good thing that he saved the earth of the missiles dropping to earth.

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He did say give me all the oxygen you can spare. Mostlikly the ship had sevral days worth in case it took awile to fix ikon.

So he may have had enough. Also if he sleeped to conserve oxygen it emproves his odd. I'd guess he made it. Prehapss he was able to control the decent to the moon buy using the remaning booster power. And was able to land back first causing the ikon to fall apart. I did not see the missiles any were on the moon so its posible he blew them up before he got their. Prehaps in space.

The footprints look like his as they go from the reckage to his final spot. I'd say he was dead right their and simply watched earth as he died.

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It's a film, and it's a "happy" ending for Hawk who didn't want to die of cancer the way he'd had to see his wife die.
I like the idea that it could be Clint's character imagining Hawk up there.


BUT... if there are any footprints, they have to be Hawk's, because everyone knows that men on the moon are just an urban myth, and that Armstrong and Aldrin were actually filmed doing their stuff in a Hollywood studio.

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"BUT... if there are any footprints, they have to be Hawk's, because everyone knows that men on the moon are just an urban myth, and that Armstrong and Aldrin were actually filmed doing their stuff in a Hollywood studio. "

So is this movie...

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A nuclear chain reaction could not have occurred just by simply hitting the moon. It requires a remote control in order to start the chain reaction that would cause a nuclear explosion.

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Actually, it takes 3-4 days to get to the moon from Earth orbit. His oxygen supply would not have lasted that long especially since he had already been out on the EVA for quite a while at the time. And when the booster he was on crashed onto the surface of the moon the impact would have either thrown him clear of the impact site or crushed his body.

IIRC it took Apollo 3 to 4 days to get to the Moon. Hawk (TLJ character) launched in Earth orbit and had 6 rockets. Clearly he could accelerate at a fast rate. I doubt it would have killed him ... since he's a tough old bird. They also indicated that Hawk was able to launch the rockets into space. He would have done this at the half way point so his acceleration would have stopped at that point.

He also requested and presumably received all the "CO2" 'motors' they had. I could also imagine another rocket on the orbiting platform to slow his decent to the move - so he could land and not die to do sudden deceleration.

I would imagine that he had extra O2 to make sure he could make it far enough. He waited fourty years for this, I doubt he would EF it up. Also take into consideration he landed the Shuttle without computer control (in the simulator) and his teammate, Frank (Clint), also landed the Shuttle without computer control.


The end of the movie clearly shows the wreckage of his craft and shows his body sitting down, leading on a rock looking at Earth. They also played fly me to the Moon... which was used earlier in the movie.

Clearly this movie was not "realistic" in many ways, but then it would have been a 12 hour mini series .. and or course might have a few inconsistencies. It was realistic in all the ways that matter... not that it matters much to those who are inert.

Either way, in his situation, that was a very good way to die.

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Not replying to any single person, but here's the poop:

1. Hawk says "I need all the spare O2 we've got." That's supposedly how he made it to the moon alive.

2. After the launch, the Mission director says, "Ikon has left our gravitational pull; Hawk was able to launch the warheads into outer space." Technically, they were also supposed to detonate as well (mentioned earlier), thus avoiding the nasty potential there.

3. Hawk, defying all logic, manages to land softly on the moon and position himself in an Earth-viewing posture. Given the broken O2 containers in the pan shot before reaching Hawk, one can assume that Hawk didn't live as long as he'd hoped he would.

Yes, there are a crapload of assumptions we must make, such as all the rockets firing in perfect unison, and that launching from orbit (instead of on the ground) somehow made it easier to achieve breakaway velocity, and thus allowed Hawk to head to the moon much faster than Apollo could.

Finally, since a relatively small amount of damage doomed Columbia in real life, it's much harder to suspend disbelief regarding all the harsh impact onto Daedalus from Ikon.

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Of course it was his footprints. It´s unbelieveable that he even got there bla bla bla, but if you put all that aside for awhile and think about the steps. "it could be neil armstrongs or buzz aldrin".... so he was such a good pilot that he landed right were someone else landed? I mean comeon! of course it was his footprints. otherwise him landing there would have messed the whole place up, there by erasing the footprints. And the footprints lead right up to him if I don´t remember it wrong? did he just land right were the footprints ended by accident? sounds a little farfetched to me..

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Seeing as how damn near everybody in this thread is an expert on asphyxiation and pancreatic cancer, I'll just go ahead and say I liked the movie, it's a nice way to shift the brain to 'neutral' for a bit.

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I have a friend who works for paramount and they are currently negoitiating the rights for a space cowboys sequel. Clint Eastwood has expressed interest and has stated in recent interviews that he wouldn't mind getting "back in the saddle." No word yet on wether supposrting actors willl return, but Harrison Ford has been courted for a very "juicy" role. Watch for more news.

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God I hope not. This movie was utter garbage and it would be an act of cruelty to subject people to more of this kind of inane, insultingly superficial space fantasy.

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Agreed.

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Good grief!!! It's FICTION! A movie. Maybe not a great movie, but a fun way to waste a couple hours. I enjoyed it, it had it's share of movie cliche's but still, it was a fun movie. Take it for what it is, just entertainment.



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so did i

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