I'm going with Sadako and I'm not just going for her because I hate the American remake.
I'm going for her because Sadako has this creepy presence around her. The way she just climbs out of well and out of TV is just so damn scary. When she came out of the TV I was backing away from my OWN TV! lol true story. Sadako doesn't have to do much to scare the crap out of you!
Samara? Well she's just a little girl and there's nothing scary about a little girl with long hair is there?
I have to admit, when I was watching the US version and they showed the famous television scene, i found that pretty scary. But i thought that was the only scary bit in the US version. I thought the rest of it was plain crap.
Sadako. She has this long bony body that gives me shivers. Especially when you first see her reflection in the tv once Reiko's done watching the tape for the first time. That part always makes me scream.
well, I thought that considering there was so much obvious computer effects in the remake, they did a really good job making Sadako creepy, especially in the coming out of the TV scene, where you can see her hands with her fingernails off, and all the blood in their place. Buuuuuuuut, i will have to say Samara, just for the way she comes out of the TV and is so scary. I agree the rest of her wasn't that creepy. I mean, on the mental hospital tapes, she was a little creepy, but Daveigh Chase(sp?) was too much of a cute little girl to get the same effect of Sadako.
Sadakos presence was much more terrifying. Samara was portrayed as pretty much a tragic character, condemned to bare a power she never wanted or could control. Sadako on the other hand revels in her abilities and uses them skillfully and casually.
Plus, Sadako never spoke and her face isnt fully seen. I think this adds to her fear factor.
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Postulate-S (The Sadako Postulate): If they ever showed all of Sadako's face (and not the plaster one in Ringu 2, her real face) all civilization on earth would crumble and we'd all revert to lesser animal forms due to the pure terror of the sight.
Yes... I think that both were very similar and identically creepy when they walk out of the TV set, it's just that Samara builds on the original performance. However, I do prefer the fact that we never really SEE the original Sadako, nor even in the "kill" scenes do we see her full face, I think it was a mistake to show too much in the Western version.
Meanwhile, the characters are a bit different, and you've explained it here. Sadako is colder and seems more malevolent -- she kills to kill, because she is angry -- while Samara actually wants to be HEARD/NOTICED and the focus is very much that she kills those who do not share her story. The motivation is different; Sadako is like a vengeful destructive spirit, Samara's like a sad and eventually sullen little girl.
I didn't really think Ringu was "better" than the Western adaptation. I thought the Western adapation did some things well (especially with fleshing out the story and presenting some coherence in the color pallete, etc.), but missed the mark on other stuff as mentioned above + making the boy into an annoying psychic twerp.
I just watched Ring today and I have watched Ring 0 and Ring 2, same with the American remakes. To me I think Sadako is more terrifying, scary etc. I think that with the Japanese films they take more time out to explain Sadako's past and background.
In Ring 0 we find out more about Sadako and how she just wanted to fit in with everyone else by joining a drama club, and then she get vilently murdered due to her supernatural powers.
With Ring the movie doesnt nescesarily provide a full story as to why she kills people who watch the film, but it is enough to let you know her reason as to doing this. Along with the times we do see her it is terrifying, with the display of her mothers psychic powers, seeing her reflection in the t.v., the well scene, most of the flashback scenes, and of course the end where she comes out of the t.v and kills Ryuji.
Then with Ring 2 even after Reiko thinks everything is fine Yoichi starts displaying Sadako's psychic traits, and she still kills people through Yoichi. Along with the dummy that was made to resemble Sadako that started to act as Sadako and had to be thrown out to sea. Oh and dont forget the girl at the end with.
Then you have Samara, now with the American films it seems that they focused more on the visuals and not as much as scarying you psychologically. With Samara's background not as much is known, although she was one of the main focuses in The Ring. Samara as far as we know was born with supernatural powers like her mother, she almost takes after her mother completely with the horses and such. Her father killed her mother, along with Samara. before Samara had been murdered she was confined to a barn.
Next is The Ring 2 wich has the mother and son re-locate to a smaller town to get away from everything. Once they move the son, Aiden, starts to take on some of Samara's traits, while she is trying to take over him, i.e. the bathroom scene.
Now one of my big complaints about The Ring is the video. The video in the American film has very little to do with the actual story, a lot of it is just random things that the director and producer threw in.
Also one of the major differences in these movies that I think that people dont like in one or the other is that the Ring series(jp) is more of a psychological horror, where as The Ring(en) series is more of a supernatural horror. I think the main reason why The Ring series is more popular in America is because the viewers here want more of a scare throughout the movie second after second, which it gives to the U.S. viewers instead of giving more of a story. When Ring gets more into your skin, and doesn't use all the cg.
Well thats my whole take on it, sorry if I went on for to long. Oh, and if some parts of the movies were left out, its because I havent seen the other movies in a while, at least 3 months. I'm just using what I remember. Also, sorry if I didn't completely cover some of the different things I brought up.
Oh, and I have one question, why in the American films does Samara look rotted away? Wouldn't she be preserved for being in the cold water for so long? Maybe I missed something.
I agree; the American is just random. Although they did try to make some connection; like the barn, ladder...and a tree if I remember.
Well it's never really said how cold the water was. Plus, rotted skin makes for better scares. It was kinda laughable that the victims of Ringu just had their mouths open in 'fright.'
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Yeah, I have not read the novel(I plan on doing so) as to which Ring was based off of, but what I know of the story a barn, ladder, and a tree had nothing to do with the original story.
Yeah, but even with how Sadako's victim's ended up it's a more natural than how Samara's victims turned out. With Sadako the faces are basicly imobilized with fear(rigor mortis), unlike Samara's how there faces are just messed up; but thats what Verbinski went for, scare tactics.
But, I have heard that the Korean take on the Ring novel, The Ring Virus, sticks to the original story a lot more than the Japanese or American take on it all. I guess(sp?) thats what I'll will have to take a look at next to see which is the best, in my opinion at least.
If you read the book, don't compare them to the movies. The book's story goes a bit differently from the moves. The korean version of Ringu was pretty much straight outta the original book. Rasen (movie) followed along pretty much them same, but was a rather bad followup to the original Ringu, because it followed the book's rather than the movie.
Plain water is a really crappy preserving agent, actually, and if you're going to get super-technical Samara should be little more than dissolved sinew-goo and algae-y bones by the time she's fixin' to kill Noah. Now if the well froze and she was trapped in the ice, then you could talk about preservation. But liquid water is too warm to preserve a body. Try dropping an animal cracker in a glass of water and watch what happens to it over time. Same concept for drowning victims that take a while to be found.
Water does not preserve bodies, even if it's very cold. Samara's is even in a airly good sate for someone who has been in the water for so long. Bodies of people who drowned most often look much worse, they are nearly black and swollen, hard to reckognize.
Prepubescent Japanese girls just aren't scary to me. Plus, Sadako seemed to want revenge. Samara was just...evil. So she wins.
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sadako is a grown woman. Kinda bizarre how someone unfazed by young girls would prefer samara. I guess a lot of comments are just americans too immersed in hollywood culture and unused to actually having to read subtitles or use imagination in a film. I have rarely seen a remake so poor compared to the original.
So Sadako is a grown woman, while Samara is a child?
Is it ever actually specified in the Japanese version that Sadako is a grown woman? I just watched it last night, and I don't think this was ever specified. I watched the whole movie thinking she was a child, and was a little confused at several parts where she looked like an adult (when the doctor knocked her into the well, and when she came out of the TV). But if she was in fact an adult, I guess that explains it.
Yamamura Sadako - Is it just me, or does she seem unnervingly tall? Maybe it's just because of the angles, or the desire to just shrink before her and huddle up and close your eyes, but Sadako was a whole lot more intimidating to me.
Samara Morgan - Well, i did like her. But as someone said, she was a bit too cutesy (not being mean to the actress). And there seems to be a big thing about having a "creepy little boy/girl" in horrors these days, which is wearing a little thin.