1. Possessed children. 2. Floating women with long hair over their face. 3. Ghosts that make gurgling noises. 4. Ghosts in general. 5. Weird people walking around in a daze. 6. Cell phones as part of the plot. 7. People speaking in droning or croaking voices.
Why are most Japanese horror movies about ghosts? They always feature some creepy child with hair over her eyes and gurgling. Getting kind of bored with it after watching Ghost Train, Kairo, One Missed Call, Ring, Room 1303, Dark Water, etc. But whenever your criticize J-horror you get the elitist line, "You must be a slow-witted American who can't understand the psychological thrill of J-horror"--seriously, elitists use that line in every thread criticizing J-horror. At least American horror offers a variety of monsters and situations. But J-horror is all about ghosts and long hair. People use the "it's psychological" argument to mask the low budget, leaden pace, and cliches.
If you've seen one movie about Japanese ghosts then you've seen them all.
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Japanese horror is based on old ghost stories, many of which were made famous in kabuki plays, kyougen and noh theatre. The long black hair is prevalent because it harkens back to a time when women didn't cut their hair short, and when they were prepared for cremation, their hair was unbound. At that time, women didn't bleach their hair. It is common practice now to dye the hair black again for funeral and cremation.
Few ghosts in Japanese horror make gurgling noises, but the film may have sounds which are designed to get under your skin. The ghosts don't float all the time but they may skate. Sadako doesn't do either. Many will crawl or just warp closer when the victims turns away and back again. Are you sure you're not lumping in other Asian horror with Japan?
Because Japanese culture doesn't have a tradition of demons or ghouls, nor zombies or vampires. It has kappa, oni, tengu, and so on. All of which aren't very suited to this kind of horror film. There is Kuchisake Onna, whose mouth is split from ear to ear. There's Hanako San too. And there are period drama horror films out there which use old ghost stories directly.
Ghosts are a big part of Japanese culture. This month was Obon festival, in which the souls of the ancestors return to earth to receive offerings. That's Buddhism, but in the native Shinto religion, the dead are spirits which need to be treated with respect or they may turn angry (goryou). In my job I talk to Japanese people all day, and I have met so many people who know somebody who can see ghosts. They say it so sincerely too.
People walking around in a daze is to signify being pulled out of this world. THus speaking in a trance will result in droning.
Cell phones as part of the plot is not usual, but there are many rip off movies and one parody series (One Missed Call). Are you telling me you don't notice the countless rip offs of Poltergeist, Jason and Leatherface in your own video rental store? COme on, seriously.
In Japan there are many folk characters and ghost stories which get remade and referenced regularly. They are part of the culture, not owned by a studio. You are looking at J-horror through a Western view and what you call cliche is actually tradition and culture. Western business has made you fearful of idea reuse, because you've grown up with IP and copyright litigation and people telling you to 'be original'. And you're from a people who have a thousands of years of continued culture and who place tradition and culture very highly.
You've created a problem simply by applying demands which were not vital to Japanese audiences to begin with. When I'm in the video store and kids are browsing the horror section, you can see how it is. And btw, if you're only going to watch the films branded as J-Horror, brought to you by your favourite Western studio, you're missing a great deal of film which ISN'T ghosts and traditional fare.
But bear in mind, that just like in your country, Japan has a thriving straight to video market, and just because businesses in your country buy up that crap to sell to you, doesn't mean that that's all Japan has to offer.
You've created a problem simply by applying demands which were not vital to Japanese audiences to begin with. When I'm in the video store and kids are browsing the horror section, you can see how it is. And btw, if you're only going to watch the films branded as J-Horror, brought to you by your favourite Western studio, you're missing a great deal of film which ISN'T ghosts and traditional fare.
But bear in mind, that just like in your country, Japan has a thriving straight to video market, and just because businesses in your country buy up that crap to sell to you, doesn't mean that that's all Japan has to offer.
Can you name some horror from Japan that came out within the last 20 yrs that do not have the cliches I described?
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Premonition is a good one. Audition even though its not that scary it's pretty good psychological wise. I haven't seen Infection but I Dont think they have a ghost girl in that film. Besides Korean Horror films is where its at these days. Oh and Silk.... (although it has ghost boys)
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Oh come on. This girl here is a limey. Everyone here knows limeys don't make good horror. And, like the Spaniard, she disparages Americans while her history shows she's obsessed with American entertainment.
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No just anybody with a brain isn't intimidated or bothered by a few obvious butthurt insults. Typical red neck bigoted yank are we?
It's hard to arise a reaction out of something so predictable and overused.
Nobody is disparaging Americans just idiots like you.
Listen limey, you got a few things to know. Being called a yank, a redneck, or a bigot isn't an insult to me. Also, butthurt is a phrase only used by fools. I just find it funny how people disparage Americans but you idiots are obsessed with our music and movies. That's why us yanks look down on eurotrash. You're making us rich by spending on all our entertainment stuff while you're entertainment industry loses money. Last time I checked, Spaniard or limey horror wasn't highly regarded. Euros make decent horror once every other leap year. But for the most part, Euro horror is garbage.
It's funny how limeys can't even use proper English grammar. Ever heard of a comma. Maybe you need to go back to school. And a dentist.
Like I said, I laugh at all you Euro fools who wanna trash talk Americans but are obsessed with our music and movies. Beyonce would have a good laugh at that too.
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In other words, he must be a slow-witted American who can't understand the psychological thrill of J-horror.
Look at this Spaniard. He wants to disparage Americans but his history he watches a lot of American movies. Why don't the Spanish make good horror? Too slow-witted? In fact, why don't the Spaniards make good movies at all? My sig: why do almost all movies on imdb have a "worst movie ever!" thread?
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Oh, come on. I was just poking a little fun, because this is actually a quote from your original post:
But whenever your criticize J-horror you get the elitist line, "You must be a slow-witted American who can't understand the psychological thrill of J-horror"
And this is basically what he is saying here, just with nicer words:
You are looking at J-horror through a Western view and what you call cliche is actually tradition and culture...
And just for your information I am not actually a spaniard, I just live in Spain and I love American movies. I also love international cinema. And what do you mean spaniards don't do good horror? "Pan's Labyrinth" - Spanish/Mexican coproduction "The Others"/"Los Otros" "The Orphanage"/"El Orfanato" "[REC]" - Got remade into the American "Quarantine" I hear its awful, but I haven't actually seen it. Just a few examples of the last decade.
And what do you mean Spain doesn't do good movies at all? Not that I have to defend them, I am no spaniard. But you should watch more international cinema. Pedro Almodovar is pretty popular in the states I hear (myself not a big fan). Check out Alejandro Amenabar, that's a Spanish director I like. He did the mentioned "The Others", "Abre Los Ojos"/"Open your eyes" (was remade into the American "Vanilla Sky"), "The Sea Inside" and "Agora" for example.
Well, I am sorry if I failed at my attempt at humor, but that was just it. So don't make such a big deal about it.
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And just for your information I am not actually a spaniard, I just live in Spain and I love American movies. I also love international cinema. And what do you mean spaniards don't do good horror? "Pan's Labyrinth" - Spanish/Mexican coproduction "The Others"/"Los Otros" "The Orphanage"/"El Orfanato" "[REC]" - Got remade into the American "Quarantine" I hear its awful, but I haven't actually seen it. Just a few examples of the last decade.
So you post a few movies to prove that Spanish make good horror? Crappy Spanish horror like Darkness, The Nun, The Nameless, and Exorcismus is in greater quantities than Spanish horror that is average at best. Most Spanish movies are co-financed anyway. Why do Euros always need to co-finance their movies? Don't Euro films make money at the box office? Or do Euros find European movies crappy and prefer to watch American movies?
And what do you mean Spain doesn't do good movies at all? Not that I have to defend them, I am no spaniard. But you should watch more international cinema. Pedro Almodovar is pretty popular in the states I hear (myself not a big fan). Check out Alejandro Amenabar, that's a Spanish director I like. He did the mentioned "The Others", "Abre Los Ojos"/"Open your eyes" (was remade into the American "Vanilla Sky"), "The Sea Inside" and "Agora" for example.
Well, I am sorry if I failed at my attempt at humor, but that was just it. So don't make such a big deal about it.
Wow, you post a few average Spanish movies to deflect the fact that the majority of Spanish movies are garbage? Nice.
I failed to see your attempt at humor. But here is my humor: Americans will always look down at foreigners who disparage us while spending money on our movies.
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Crappy Spanish horror ... is in greater quantities than Spanish horror that is average at best.
So, what's your point? That's true of every industry, including Hollywood, they just make a lot more. No, I don't want to deflect the fact that most Spanish movies are garbage, because that's actually true. Only once in a while you find a true gem. Just like in Hollywood, but again, they make a lot more, so it's easier to find and see them there.
And again, nobody is disparaging anyone in here. Most americans I know personally are great people (hint: you are not one of them). You are just crying like a baby because you got your feelings hurt and now you must vent your anger to make everybody see your superiority. But you are only making yourself look bad. You clearly don't want to have a reasonable conversation and just want to immaturely bully your way through this. But don't expect me to satisfy this kind of urges of yours or to continue with this ridiculous conversation. Your insults aren't bothering anyone. Goodbye. Have a good day.
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I don't exactly agree with some of your so called cliches, for me, Japanese horror has a certain aesthetic that's refreshingly different from Western horror that I find particularly unsettling. You could easily make a list of so called cliches in Western horror which seem to be ever so present in the latest releases, even the good ones which ending up being spoilt by tacky garbage moments being added, The Conjuring comes to mind...
Exactly how I feel. American horror could be considered equally cliched. However, I enjoy the aesthetic of a lot of Japanese Horrors. I enjoy the subdued nature, the gritty, psychological horror, and the way they manage to make these ghost girls scary every time.
I like Japanese horror films because they're generally more... atmospheric? I guess that's the word. American horror movies are so in-your-face. Especially this gore trend that's been going on for a while now, which is really more gross than scary. I feel like a horror movie should unsettle you, gradually, pull you into the atmosphere of the movie, get under your skin. Japanese movies are better for that than American movies.
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Not all Japanese horror movies are atmoshperic, there are some really bad ones as well, same for gore. There are also some really atmospheric American horror movies.
I know, I didn't say literally all Japanese horror movies were one way and literally all American movies were the other way. I just meant, as a general rule. But yeah there are some lame Japanese horrors and some great American horrors.
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"American horror movies are so in-your-face. Especially this gore trend that's been going on for a while now, which is really more gross than scary. I feel like a horror movie should unsettle you, gradually, pull you into the atmosphere of the movie, get under your skin".
I agree with that statement 110%. When a film is excessively gory, it no longer creates fear. It creates disgust. When a movie goes down that route. It's no longer about filling the audience with a innate sense of fear. It's about upping the ante with the violence and the aforementioned gore. One scene you have a guy that gets his head chopped off and is stumbling about trying to find it. The next scene some
other guy get disemboweled and they're skipping rope with his intestines. Like! How can you take this shit seriously? This is why I'm not a fan of gore porn.
The only thing i'd like to point out is that most Japanese films have smaller budgets in general because Japanese films have a much, much smaller audience, therefore they make a lot less money. The most expensive (unadjusted) film worldwide, Pirates of the Carribean: At World's, end had a budget of $300 million. That's almost 10x the budget of Ponyo, the most expensive Japanese film's $34 million budget
I agree. This must be one of the reasons why J-Horror tends to bore me, as I don't find ghosts scary. Ironically, my favorite movie, House (1977), is a Japanese horror movie about ghosts.