(Excuse my english, not a native american)
When Tara meets up with Amanda Peet, Tara has a scar on her forhead.
In his story the scar is described as caused by her bumping her head in the bed.
In her story there's nothing that explanes her scar.
Hence the title of the movie BODY SHOTS, that's what's diffrent in there story.
So he is telling the truth.
No- in the scene where she was raped her head kept bumping the headboard- hence her version of the story with the scar.
shareOk, my bad.
shareSo who is telling the truth?!
shareI think she was because when he was talking to his lawyer or friend, he says I'll say whatever you want me to say..(that just means he's willing to lie to make his story more plausible, but doesn't mean he's lying)... But then his lawyer says it's called consensual sex, and he goes "yea, that's great, that's what I'll say" meaning that he inadvertently slips up and reveals that he did rape her or that he atleast didn't care whether she said yes/no
shareHe didn't slip up at all. I don't know what your thinking but just because he saus "ya thats great", isn't making his story any less fake. He had been saying the entire time that it was consenual, he just didn't say that in those words. If you think hard you'll realize that its the wording of what the lawyer told him that hes calling great and that, thats what he would say when asked.
As for him saying he will say whatever he is told to that does mean he is willing to lie, create, manipulate..
Now I forgot what it was that the girls friend was telling her but if you listen to the words the girl is willing to lie as well..
Further more, examining the history of the girl when shes drunk when people are around to confirm thats what happens it doesn't make her rape story anymore realistic.
Although going earleir into the story I think she was conflicted between a nice guy who would order entrees and between a man who would take sudden control, correct me if im wrong.
Assuming that the rape examination came back negative since during the end all you hear is "she said, he said", makes his story a lot more believable.
In the end no one will know what happened, both partys where drunk to the point where neithers memories would work for the life of them, such as the story goes.
yea but his lawyer then replies "No it's what you'll say because it's true", and then his layer just stares at him suspiciously and they cut to the the next scene with the girls.
Also one thing I didn't understand is why would Tara Reid's character lie about the rape? Was it that she was just drunk and did consent but didn't want to be thought of as promiscuous or was it that she just forgot?
well no matter what his lawyer said if you look back at what he said to begin with he never changed what he said. The look from the lawyer could be many things, it could be distrust or it could be a form of figuring out if he is telling the truth or not. Reading the body langauge
As for her lieing about it, there can be plenty of reasons... the ones you mentioned before of course but another one being that the guy is probably rich.. she could have tried many things.. we didn't really get much of a look at pre trials or settlements.. in that sense the movie is incomplete but that was the point.
movie was incomplete? did they cut out something crucial..also her family seemed rich, or rather Dad's house (which they show in the end when her friend is coaching her on what to say) looked expensive.
sharePlus there's the whole bit about him calling her the wrong name. That might have been the straw that broke the camel's back.
shareI think Tara's character would lie because she wanted an "excuse" for cheating on her very nice almost boyfriend. Not saying she lied, but if she did, that would be the reason.
I dont think the point of the movie is who was telling the truth and who wasnt, its more about sex being meaningful, and the possible consquences of rushing in to it.
"I'd say hug it out, but I don't want you drawing wood"share
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The movie intentionally sets the situation up as ambiguous, both were intoxicated to the point of not remembering important details, she had a history of heavy alcohol use and blackouts, he was shown to be a very physical and aggressive man, prone to fighting.
Why would she lie about being raped, or even miscontrue it as rape? Doesn't seem reasonable, yet false accusations do happen.
Why would he rape her, he is a good looking rich professional athelete, he can have his choice of women- maybe he feels entitled to get what he wants- or he was just drunk and out of control.
Since the trial ended in a hung jury, there must not have been conclusive evidence to support the rape allegation, there was "reasonable doubt".
Oh, yeah, because dumba$$ juries always get it right.
sharehe was telling the truth because when he was interviewed by the cops he tells them about "keath" whom she talked about alot,if he was raping her why she mentioned keath.plus the head scar came when she fell down in the begining.
shareOk, there is one piece of evidence, when viewing both (recollections)versions that tells you that his story is the truth.
In her story, she ends on the bed still in her skirt, crying... cut to scene of driving to friends.
In his story she walks him to the door dressed in....her nightgown, the same gown she was wearing when she goes to her friends, the same gown that she was wearing in the hospital.
So either his story is the truth and she woke up later out of her blackout, or she got ready for bed and then decided she was traumatized enough to go to her friends.
Coming to in your nightgown confused and full of crappy emotions cause you just sh!t on the nice guy you were going out with to have a Vapid one night stand with a stud does not translate into "I... I must have been raped." Those feelings were because of how Sara acted, not how Michael acted, but being blacked out and in denial, she takes the "I'm not to blame" door.
It's funny how they make them both out to be bad because they both have blacked out and can't remember. but in the case of the girl, her lawyer friend is supporting and just asks a few times "Did it really happened?" never receiving an answer, and the guy lawyer is actually angry. Shouldn't the female lawyer be angry that her friend really doesn't know what happened and is charging rape based on that?
If You're Failing to Plan,
You're Planning to Fail.
To me it looks like she was lying. She made it look as if she was repulsed by him the second they made it to her house. Clearly she was into him at the club and enough to leave with him, so why would all of a sudden her feelings change? Her story just doesn't add up.
Caesar doesn't work with morons.
jack,
Women often change their minds between leaving a bar and right before having sex. Could be for any number of reasons from slightly sobering up, to he doesn't look the same with the lights on, to realizing "hey I just met this guy does sleeping with him the night we met make me a slut?"
Wow I don't think that's fair.
shareSo, you're saying she deserved to get raped?
He was screaming at her to get in the car when she clearly didn't want to- I have known guys like him that if you tell them NO- they freak out
I thought the only reason she left with him was to make her ex/boyfriend jealous.
"Dope sick? Dope schmick!!"
I think they were both so wasted that neither of them even know the truth. Maybe she was so wasted that she thinks she didn't want it and he was so wasted that he doesn't remeber if she objected.
shareThis is the way I look at it. There are always three sides to a story. The first persons side, the second person side and the actual truth. I think Sara and Michael both believe they were telling the truth
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Why doesn't she go "I Spit on Your Grave" on him then if that was actually the case? And is rape a legal matter, a social issue or a deeply personal attack for the victim that allows them and should allow them to decide how their perpetrator is to be punished, especially if law itself cannot prosecute him? (I believe its a COMBINATION of those issues and yes it is a terrible deed and a criminal offense.)
P.S. I haven't seen the movie in a long time, but was the movie in some or other ways being AMBIGUOUS about the whole "was it or was it not" a rape scene?
And 2 aqib4 - do other people also change their minds about it, and is it really true that some women may change their minds so much that even if they have consensual sex but feel bad about it, even if they were not forced into it in any way or were physically hurt in the process, they consider it rape (in a literal sense) totally and want to report the person they slept with to the police like that? And even if that may happen, isn't the percentage of those instances compared to actual rapes extremely low?
Also, reagrdless of the gender of whom THEY sleep with, do any MEN change their minds like that or are men and women incredibly different including psychologically (and it isn't a good or a bad thing in itself, just a fact of life) in the field of sex (not to mention the fact that women can get pregnant, they have a vagina and men have a penis and men have been the perpetrators of sexual violence against mostly women but not only women throughout the whole human history for thousands of years with all the terrible damage and emotional harm that this entails?)
And corinaam, I think that even violent criminals DON'T "deserve" to be raped, whatever punishment fits aside, this deed is completely inexcusably in any way, let alone suggest that innocent women do for simply being at the wrong place or dressing provocatively, God, I wish those stereotypes didn't exist in the first place to put such shame on humanity