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what the heck was that all about?? Explain someone please!


Just watched Under Suspicion and I cannot believe it ended the way it did. The film seemed only half over!
They didn't tie up any loose ends at all.
So, are we supposed to know if he was guilty or not??

My thinking is that there are THREE possible scenarios the writer intended....

(1) The main character did kill the girls and his wife set up this other guy they caught.
(2) The main character did not kill the girls and this other person they caught did.
(3) His wife killed the girls because she was jealous of the time they spent with her husband and the fact she could not have kids got to her and the husband suspected this and was prepared to go to jail for the woman he loved even after she set him up.

So, anyone know which one it was???!

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I haven't read all of the posts but I have read several which seem to have similar theories of "who done it". I believe that this is the scenario:

1. Henry believed that his wife committed the murders out of jealousy and confessed at the end to save her.
2. When he made the statement "I didn't think she would go this far", he believed that she had killed the girls AND set him up as the murderer, all out of jealousy -- It was the "If I can't have you, nobody will!" syndrome.
3. Consider the wife's account of when she caught him in the bedroom with her niece. As innocent as it was, she knew that that was how he used to talk to her when she was a young girl and it infuriated her. Not only that but her niece responded just as she did as a young girl so she knew that he could draw her niece in just as he drew her in years ago. Remember her comment? "He had no right making her laugh/smile like that." Something to that effect. She felt that those kind of reactions belonged to her and only her. Her jealousy was out of control from that point on.
4. After Henry was held so long at the police station, the wife began to believe that he was guilty. This would only validate her jealousy all along. When the pictures of the girls were found at the house, she was sure of his guilt.
5. In the end, both were wrong. Neither was the murderer and both were shocked to find that the other was innocent.
6. The wife didn't realize how much her husband loved her until she realized he was confessing to save her. At the end when they were outside and sat away from each other (note: she ran up to him in a physical attempt at forgiveness and reconcilliation but he turned away from her), it was because they both realized (him more than her) how damaged their relationship had become and that it couldn't be resurrected. More importantly, she realized that it was all her fault. Of course she knew all along that he had an attraction to young girls. How could she not know considering how old she was when they got together? Yet, he truly loved her but her jealousy ruined what could have been a happy, fulfilling life... with children. This is why it is implied at the end that she was going to jump of the cliff and kill herself, as in the original film. She was tormented with guilt.

It is important to note that she COULD have children. When she was being questioned at the police station, the caption said "... but when you couldn't have children...?" she replied "Of course I can.". This goes back to the husband's earlier slip of "she won't... can't have children.". She could have children and her husband knew it. He lied because he knew that the reason she wouldn't have children was also out of her jealousy. She didn't want him to adore a child, even if it was their child, the way that he had once adored her as a child and, potentially, more than he adored her. There may have also been the concern of becoming unattractive to her husband after childbirth, which many woman experience. Remember his comment during questioning, "sometimes a woman's beauty is her only talent.". Again, I may be paraphrasing.

Sadly, I believe this movie is very true to form. There are many women who don't trust men or believe "all men are dogs". They may have a good man but their jealousy and unwarranted distrust is the ultimate cause of the relationship failing.

Sorry this was so lengthy but that's my story and I'm sticking with it! ;-)

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Well

What Can I Say A Really Intresting Film...

I've just seen it 4 the first time today on one of the 3 dvd's you get in the paper, i remembered it caught my eye because it had Morgan Freeman in it and the person who at the time i only knew as "the busty french woman from the matrix" who i now know is Monica Belluci who is Italian - not forgetting Gene Hackman of course

Anyway the film, well it was a very intresting film, i had to pause and play back when the woman goes "the killer's downstairs" i just couldn't believe it....what a wierd and untimed twist!

I have to agree with what most other ppl have sed about the ending...

I thought that Henry was the killer all along but thought that perhaps some1 had done the murders wiv him, some1 that we'd maybe see during the later stages of the film.

I thought that Chantel cud've been the killer especially when she was going on about Camile especially when she said "he shudn't have made her smile/look like that", and i alike at least 2 posts on here was thinking she's jealous of her niece because thats what she was like when she was younger wiv Henry ogling after her.

I thought Tom Jane cud've been the killer but only when we see Henry talking and there's clips of one of the mudered girls holding a male hand, but that was only briefly.

Now 2 The Evidence...how did it get there? Im not even going to comment on this because im still bloody confused.

I guess the whole film shows that if you have been reptitvly told something over and over again that eventually you will beleive it and thats what happened to Henry.

I give Under Suspicion an 8/10...a good film..shame about the somewhat confusing ending

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This movie has a very simple structure in my opinion. You just need to take the flashbacks and think about them for a moment.
There's something more to the presence of M. Freeman "inside" G. Hackman's memories. Besides the smooth touch to the editing in the movie, which in my opinion works very well, creating a space where everybody can see what happened and not just us and G. Hackman; it also works as a metaphor for the mind games that are happening throught the dialoges. I believe that these parts didn't only have a simple aesthetical point, otherwise, in terms of direction/concept it wouldn't make any sense to have a memory in which M. Freeman can enter without discription.
It's a way to show us a mind being manipulated. And as the movie comes to an end, we realize that G. Hackman's mind had already been manipulated by the cruel obcession of his wife, that's why he gives up on trying to overcome the whole problem, using the exact discription given by both detectives without adding anything else... because there was nothing else in his mind to tell.

I liked the movie, but i don't consider it a "very good" movie, because in my opinion there are some problems with the direction. There is an excessive use of spatial context for a movie that runs inside a mind, taking us to a place that becomes too relevant. Just an opinion though.

6/10

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I have been wondering about the question 'why Puerto Rico?' too. Today I read an interesting connection, that Puerto Rico's age of consent is 14, which would make his conduct with his wife before they married legal.

If you have questions about the film's plot and haven't read the entire thread, I recommend that you locate Sidnee's entry. Illuminating and well written.

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the ending was just plain clumsy and inartful. all of the other elements were great (the acting, dialogue, etc.), but the plot was an absolute dud. it was like the monty python skits where a barbell just comes out of the sky and ends it all. terrible.

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Read Sidnee's and brownslytx' entries and you will have two logical and comprehensive explanations of the movie and maybe understand what you didn't understand after watching the movie.

brownslytx differs in his interpretation of the movie in that he believes that Henry confesses because he thinks Chantall killed the two girls. I'm not so sure about this. How would Henry explain to himself the raping of the two girls? Obviously Chantall couldn't have done that. For the rest brownslytx' review is among the best in this thread.

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i don't mean to be an ass, but how could you not get the ending ???

OF COURSE it is your second guess...




"best/worst-movie-ever"-idiots don't deserve to watch movies at all ...

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I was extremely disappointed in this film.
I have not seen the French movie, Garde à vue(1980 I think), that Under Suspicion is based on so I can't say the flaws in this "remake" were in the original. But it's hard to believe that Hackmans character is a lawyer. Even a tax lawyer wouldn't be so ignorant not to have representation. There was not one word about DNA evidence until they were well into the grilling. That alone would have been point one for someone innocent. The whole dog/no dog nonsence is never explained. The budget for this movie was $25MM!!?!?! What was the money spent on? Gene and Morgans salaries?

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My thoughts:

1. No one in this movie is actually "innocent". Hackman' character, while not having committed the rapes/murders, certainly has questionable pedophile tendencies. His wife is obsessively jealous. Freeman's character has had 2 failed marriages. And Detective Opie is ethically challenged (and clearly not the brightest bulb in the pack).

2. I think that as a result of Hackman's character's guilty conscience over his other "crimes" (even though he didn't commit the rapes/murders of the 2 girls) he wants to be punished, and that's part of what motivates him to make the false confession, along with an odd, almost ritualistic love/obsession for/with his wife.

3. I think the photos in the dark room were definitely taken by Hackman's character, his wife saw them, and knew that their existence would implicate her husband, after which she built the plot to set him up from there because of her out of control jealousy.

4. I think that the wife set up the husband by conspiring with the actual rapist/murderer. There's also an outside possibility (very slim, though) that the wife did the murders, simulated the rapes somehow, and then set up whoever it was that was charged at the end. But as someone else pointed out, the rape part would be problematic, although not impossible. Interestingly, there are some peculiar elements in the movie with regard to the rapes. First of all, Freeman's character seems perturbed that Detective Opie mentions the rapes when he does. It's as if Freeman's character did not want that aspect of the crimes revealed at that time. Second, it's stated specifically that no semen was ever found in the victims; only some chemical lubricants associated with condoms. So technically, it would have been possible for the wife to use something (i.e. a dildo) with a condom attached to simulate a rape. She could have then seduced/set up the "fall guy" (whoever that person is -- we are not told, he is simply introduced at the very end of the movie via the CD case with the photos) to then be accused of the rapes/murders, although that's admittedly far fetched.

5. I think Hackman's character thought his wife was somehow connected to the murders, and he was attempting to save her (and punish himself for other so-called crimes) by sacrificing himself, hence the false confessions.

6. I like movies that leave you thinking/guessing at the end.

Sorry for the somewhat incoherent rambling nature of this post.

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@skay_baltimore: That's just way too complicated - let's stick with the simpler explanation that's been offered in previous posts!

Hearst didn't kill anyone. His wife didn't kill anyone, it was just someone else, doesn't matter who. But, like it happens so often in real life, some innocent person fits the profile. Hearst liked young women, was stuck in a loveless relationship, visited prostitutes and took photographs. Without any hard evidence to the contrary, that's pretty damning. And as others have said, by the end of the night, Hearst, voluntarily or otherwise, took the easy option and confessed.

Luckily, the real killer was caught, but by that time, the damage was done: Hearst had been forced to confront everything he hated about his life and it left him a broken man.

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While watching the movie, I was hoping for scenario #3. It would have made for a very interesting story. But, in the end, I'm pretty sure it was simply scenario #2. He was confessing because he felt dejected in a way - his woman didn't love him, he was seeing prostitutes, all of the evidence was adding up against him (that can get to even the most innocent of people), and it seemed like there was nothing left for him. Why play hard ball when you know in the end they have "proof"?

In order to be successful, one must project an image of success at all times.

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