sam jackson, tommy lee jones, and william friedkin have all droped from my favorites cause of this film not only do they show 83 people sluttered but young children holding guns and shotting at the marines and then saying that the yamminees people are liers if this ever happened 4 real id b sorry hollywood has lost its main purpose which is entertainment its all about politcs now anyone dissagre
shareI don't disagree, no. I really think this is one of the most disgustingly offensive pieces of xenophobic, narrow-minded propaganda I've ever seen from Hollywood - an absolute disgrace.
shareNo, if you guys really want to be offended, try finding an old silent film called "Birth of A Nation". This movie teaches us that the Klan saved America from the evil Negro (and yes, I'm black).
shareSpeaking from a neutral point of view coming from Britain, I couldn't exactly say that I was disgusted by this film. I shall attempt to make my arguement clear.
1) Hollywood is an American institution. Therefore, I doubt any Hollywood studio would produce a film where the American Army shot and killed civilians within a country and was not at least partly justified in this.
2) There is a marked difference between nation pride and xenophobia. It is a thin line, but this film manages to stick on the right side of it, just. It could have easily gone over this line if it had stated that American lives were worth more, or that the United States of America was a far superior country, with far superior people. However, this was not stated throughout the film, as far as I am aware.
3) It is a fact that extremists arm whoever they can in order to make an impact, including children. And America is undeniably not the most popular country in the geographical area that the film centres on. Therefore shots of a crowd of civilians firing at the American embassy is beliveable.
Like lamaya43 has said, they get far more offensive than this. It is true that this does fall under the list of Hollywood semi-propaganda filmography, along with many of the army based Hollywood films. However, this does not make them offensive. It is only natural that when a country's film-makers produce a film about their own country's armed forces, patriotism will be largely what the film consists of.
I disagree.
I'm not sure why you're so offended... this movie doesn't really portray anything inaccurate. Sure, the details may be fictionalized, but the ideas behind them are sound.
Yemen is in an area in which terrorism is not uncommon. Innocent people DO get killed; children DO carry automatic weapons around. Just look at the situations in Iraq, Afganistan, Somalia, or Sudan.
And I have *no idea* where you get the idea that the film portrays the Yemenese as liars. The two biggest liars in the film are both American: the National Security Advisor and the Ambassador to Yemen were the only two who were really lying about anything. The Yemenese doctor may have been lying when he said that he didn't find any weapons in the crowd, but then again, he may not have been.
Overall, I'd say the events in this movie could have realisticly happenned in many different countries, at many different points in recent history.
I completely aggree with you IGJoe, and I think one of the problems in this world is people that are too quick to judge and find fault with peoples oppinions and ideas. Glad to hear there are level headed people still around!
shareI disagree with you IGJoe and agree with iabutair2000 on this one. You claim that in all these countries children carry weapons. With this I disagree. Have you been there? Have you seen with your own eyes that every child in that country is carrying a automatic weapon? I don't think so. Just because you saw one image of that somewhere in the newspapers or internet, doesn't mean that it's very common there. Reporters are sent to those countries to make rare photos. Sometimes there are even pictures that are faked. The best example is of that "camp" in Bosnia where a few skinny people are behind a fence. That picture is not real, since even the photographer who took the photo said so, but it was too late since all the people believed in it already.
Anyways, there are children in USA too who carry automatic weapons and use them. At schools. That's terrorism too you know.
When people in USA that never went to another countru see these kind of movies, they will think that this is common to happen in those "African", "Middle Eastern" and all "third world" countries. That isn't so. There are people in those countries too that are trying to live a normal life.
I understand that Hollywood is an American production and that they must show how USA is so great, but why must they show that all other countries are so bad?
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Ofcourse not all children carry weopons, but some do even in the United States.
I HIGHLY recommend that you READ not WATCH the movie "Black Hawk Down". (The book is infinitely better in all respects) In the book, there are many pages covered about the dillemna U.S. soldiers had because they were being shot at by women and children. Children so young and small that they can't fit the but of an AK-47 against their shoulder so they have to hold it underneath their arm pit. Don't take my word for it and check out the book.
Also, take a look into the current events plaguing the Ivory Coast in Africa. Kids without any family and nowhere to go are being recruited left and right by Mercenaries. There was a very good article in New York magazine about this a couple of months ago. I wish I could remember the exact issue but you should be able to find it on the web.
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Yemen is in an area in which terrorism is not uncommon. Innocent people DO get killed; children DO carry automatic weapons around. Just look at the situations in Iraq, Afganistan, Somalia, or Sudan.
Overall, I'd say the events in this movie could have realisticly happenned in many different countries, at many different points in recent history.
I agree with the opinion that this movie is offencive. It covers a tragedy out of a uncomfortable perspective. However I must most strongly disagree with "djslayer2000". Not with the the behavior of media as a whole but with your distasteful view of the the camps in Bosnia.
"The best example is of that "camp" in Bosnia where a few skinny people are behind a fence. That picture is not real, since even the photographer who took the photo said so, but it was too late since all the people believed in it already."
People were killed and tortured in those camps. In hundreds at least. There have been a rather academic debate about the security and the amount of barbed wire in the camp. In that debate photographer who took the photo have participated. But he has not said that people weren´t killed, tortured and suffered from starvation.
However certain elements, particuarly in Euorpe, (just for the record I´m a European myself) have let their hatered against the U.S. policy (critic that not too seldom is well founded) go to their heads and have started to support the enemies of their prime enemy (the U.S). A behavior that all too often have proven to be both destructive and dangerous. The same thing occured just before the war in Iraq last year. People that disliked the U.S warplans so much they started to activly support a brutal dictator.
I think in that way are becoming what they detest.
First of all I never said that there were no camps where people died from starvation or torture. I just said (which is a true story) that one of the best known photo's of A camp is fake, and this was verified by few parties. However, I'm not implying that there were no camps in Bosnia. In fact, I know that there were camps there.
I was simply telling people how Media could create something and make people believe it. If they wanted, they could go to a desert in USA, put 20 kids of "middle-eastern" origin and give them rifles, and then make a photo of that, and put it in all newspapers, telling how this is ONE of MANY camps where terrorists trained children to fight America. And so many people would believe this. Because it looks so "real".
"Real is what you make real". I still think that landing on the moon for the first time was fake. I mean, if his footstep would stay there forever because there was no wind, how come the flag was moving "from the wind" when they were standing next to it?
Someone is obviously suffering from severe thoughts of conspiracy.
I don´t want to get into a discussion about if there has been a man on the moon or not since that is below the minimun level of intellectual stimuli that I demand from a discussion. However as a hint from the scientific world I´ll just point of that other things than wind can make a flag wave, gravity for example.
Do not reply and tell me anything about the first trip or any trip to the moon PLEASE.
PS. I Still agree with you on that media can put things out of context . Fox news work is a good example of the media deliberately putting news in a untruthful context.
"PS. I Still agree with you on that media can put things out of context . Fox news work is a good example of the media deliberately putting news in a untruthful context."
That's all I'm trying to say ;/
> Do not reply and tell me anything about the first trip or any trip to the
> moon PLEASE.
first trip was fake :D
first trip was fake :D
first trip was fake :D
first trip was fake :D
first trip was fake :D
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For crying out loud, people, ITS A MOVIE!
shareYes Dana we are aware of that.
share'Only a movie'? Can you say *Arnold Schwarzenegger*? America today is the perfect example of life imitating art!
A lot of children in a lot of countries carry guns. Here in Britian our Government gives guns to kids everyday. They happen to have joined the Armed Forces and are given these weapons. Here you can apply to join up when you are 15 3/4. By the age of 16 you can carry any gun the services works with, be part of a tank crew, fire anti tank missiles etc,etc. You can't vote and you can't drink-but you're country will give you a gun! I don't know what the joining up age is in the US,France, Germany etc-but kids with guns isn't a third world problem.
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> it was a terrorist attack against the American embassy
dude, get real, it's their country. How can you call it terrorist attack when they want US to get out of THEIR country by using deadly force?
> No responsible or sane person would give children weapons and tell them to
> fire.
When their lives has no hope, no future because of the enemy, they would.
> America is always wrong, even when all the evidence states otherwise. People
> should not their emotions cloud their judgement to the extent that they
> ignore all the evidence that doesn't support their views.
Can you give me a real world example? Or are you talking about JUST the movie?
Don't take this movie seriously, this movie is just bs dude.
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nma_movies says- "dude, get real, it's their country. How can you call it terrorist attack when they want US to get out of THEIR country by using deadly force?"
so if americans wanted say the French embassy out of the US it would be okay for us to attack it with deadly force? and if US troops used women and children as shields that would be okay too right? nma_movies think before you talk
nma_movies says- "dude, get real, it's their country. How can you call it terrorist attack when they want US to get out of THEIR country by using deadly force?"
so if americans wanted say the French embassy out of the US it would be okay for us to attack it with deadly force?
and if US troops used women and children as shields that would be okay too right?
nma_movies think before you talk
[quote]Propbably, if both Americans and French are at war. [/quote
America is not at war with Yemen. There may be terrorists in the country, however, not every Yemeni is a terrorist.
i doubt that holly wood would portray american soldiers in the middle east as being the bad guys. i mean hollywood strongly influences american culture, it would be in it's best interest not to undermine the us and their foreign policy. it's pure propaganda
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this guy is hilarious! He must really be mad to misspell that many words! I keep reading it over and over and it's funnier every time! For a guy whose trying to take a stand, he doesn't do a good job...ha ha ha
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