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Americans could never make this!


Ive watched this film three or four times now and it just oozes with style. Clive Owen can ride the subway and still look like bond. This guy beats the pants off any american actor i know (bar Kevin Spacey).

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Yeah, Nothing says stle like a pasty englishman.

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jlukes - you must be a yank with a comment like that! what's up? truth hurts does it? well I suppose the americans are very good at making meaningless 'blockbusters' about fictitious 'super' heroes! well done!

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And the Brits are excellent at mastering the "butler/maid" genre.

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Watch 'Trainspotting', 'Shallow Grave', 'Bent', 'Closer' and 'Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels'. These are British films that are popular in Britain. Not all British films star Emma Thompson and Hugh Grant! Apparently the so-called Butler/Maid movies are very popular in America. They are not very popular in the UK!

Clive Owen is not pasty. He has an olive skin tone!

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I am a yank and love all movies whether they be american, british, french, italian or asian. I see them all as stories told by storytellers. Some better than other at telling stories. I did especially like Dirty Pretty Things (UK) though.

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Yeah, and all American films are "meaningless 'blockbusters' about fictitious 'super' heroes"? I suppose films like "Pulp Fiction" "Resevoir Dogs" "The Godfather" (1&2) "Scarface" (Pacino) etc. are nothing but $hite with absolutely no style whatsoever.
I've seen kick-ass movies from almost every country that makes movies, and not every British film is a "Snatch" or "The Long Good Friday". There is plenty of $hite coming from your side of the pond too!

"I know I will kill someday" Crazy Bee

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this'll bake your noodle. watch the limey, stars a brit, filmed and set in L.A.(crem-de-la-crem-of-american-indulgence), directed by a well to do U.S. citizen and quacks with style

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OK I have to get in on this, even though I am a "Yank", I have to side with the Brits on this one. And the Limey is amazing, Terrance Stamp, wow.

Truly, there are more yank actors pretending to be brits than the other way around. If you look at the "A-list" actors in Hollywood, american actors, almost all of them have played a part in which they adopted and english accent. Just talk to Gwyneth, I mean people in the US actually thought she was a Brit for a long time.

There is something about that accent, it just symbolizes class and style. And there is no way The Croupier could have been made and set in the US, it would have been ridiculous and tedious to boot.

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'There is something about that accent, it just symbolizes class and style.'

I'd disagree on that one, there are a lot of bad accents in Britain!

No offense to any Brummies, but the Birmingham accent makes me laugh.

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Can I ask what's wrong with blockbusters and superhero movies? I believe that film should be escapism and entertainment and I personally think that these types of films offer this best.

I thought that 'Croupier' was a dull, pessimistic, overwhelmingly negative film with a dislikeable main character, no redeeming features and which panders perfectly to the obscure little school of film with the motto 'This is boring and confusing therefore it’s an intellectual journey’.

I don't understand why there is this blind patriotism from so many 'Limeys' on IMDb who want to defend the underdog which is the British film industry, perhaps if we didn't just make cock-snot like Croupier, samey Hugh Grant vehicles, or films about Gangsters, Stereotypical Asian families and football, we would have a solid point to argue.

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Well I'm an American and I liked the movie. Escapism and entertainment, fine and well. However, as far as "superhero" movies or "blockbusters" go(like "Lost in Space" or the like), most 10-year olds would likely agree with you. In fact you may as well be watching a cartoon. Personally I enjoy the ambiguous themes with characters who aren't 100% pure. I also enjoy acting which isn't a sideline to over the top visual special effects. Movies like the "Croupier" seem very adult and interesting in a film noir sort of way like a lot of the good movies in the 1940s and 1950s, where you have all this doubt about some of the main characters. You can even watch them drinking a martini instead of a soda pop.

DMJ

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No offense to any Brummies, but the Birmingham accent makes me laugh.


Well, I'm a Brummie living in the States and I've been told a million times that I have a beautiful voice.

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Gimme a break! Anti-American stereotyping has become such a cliche . . . let's give it a rest, shall we?

Requiem for a Dream and Center of the World (by Wayne Wang) both have far more style than most other films, be they American or not. Let's not forget that the rest of the world cranks out a fair amount of *****y films as well . . .

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amen to that

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"panders perfectly to the obscure little school of film with the motto 'This is boring and confusing therefore it’s an intellectual journey'".

I hate when someone doesn't appreciate a movie and they say stuff like this. Not everyone loves every movie; but when you react to a movie by saying any incarnation of the above it just makes you look silly. I could just retort that you just didn't "get it".

But that would be patronizing.

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Maybe you should've made the title a bit different...

"Hollywood" could never make this"

(I'm not american, but kinda getting sick of the endless american bashing about everything and anything)

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The American bashing comes from insecurity. Why not just enjoy the film takepride in it and let it go. Correct me if I'm wrong but this film was not embraced in England it was American audiences that put this film on the map.

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You’re right, yanks can’t make movies like ‘Croupier’. But American cinema is very capable of producing wonderful character driven gems- The Station Agent, Box of Moonlight, Buffalo 66, or Smoke. All are excellent while exhibiting a style and flavor that are distinctly American. Don’t get me wrong- Croupier is a splendid movie. But to characterize all American cinema as being sub-standard is just wrong…

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lets see.....let me think of a few of the "horribly untalented" yank directors......Kubrick, Scorcese, Coppola, Jonathan Demme, Fincher, Aronofsky, Spielberg, Frankenheimer, Tarantino, John Sturges, Clint Eastwood, Mel Gibson,
Sam Peckinpah, Bryan Singer, Rob Reiner, Robert Zemeckis, Oliver Stone,John Ford, Mel Brooks, Paul Thomas Anderson, Jim Jarmusch, Tim Burton, Terry Gilliam(american born, whether you like it or not), Cameron Crowe, Michael Mann, Sidney Lumet, Joel Coen of the Coen bros, Michael Polish of the Polish bros, Sam Raimi(the Gift,Simple Plan,not just "superhero action"), Curtis Hanson, David Lynch, Spike Jonze, Steven Soderbergh, Sean Penn William Friedkin, etc, etc, etc.....................

also, Croupier may be good, but the director's resume isn't exactly immaculate.
the guy did Flash Gordon, a stupid, campy, superhero action movie. also, his reteaming with Owen, "I'll Sleep When I'm Dead" could bore the nuts off a bull.

sometimes, things just come together, and a great picture is made.
if you wanna be an ignorant bigot, go ahead, but there are talented directors all over the world, and america's directors have contributed some of the most legendary films in history.


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I 2nd the "easy on the BOO Americans" stuff. I wouldn't dream of ragging on Brits for ANYTHING... it just serves no purpose to point out the stereotypes. Enjoy the cinema and forget about national competition! Sounds like the proverbial chip on the shoulder boobird, but I'm not here to argue... much rather praise the British films I've enjoyed.

Although I think my US of A has plenty of worthy films to watch from any era... I enjoy the British films I'm lucky enough to see on HBO or other pay channels. Shallow Grave probably was the 1st that opened my eyes, Croupier was great, Love Actually is a great blend of stories, really enjoyed Snatch (how couldn't you? Go Jason!), I loved Mean Machine (timely topic with yet ANOTHER remake of The Longest Yard coming out)... its overlooked way too much. Lots more examples of films I really enjoyed, but you catch my drift.

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Im Australian and not biased to either Yanks or Brits, but I've got to say that in general the British make far better movies then the Americans. The British make real films, the Americans make shallow popcorn movies that are good for two hours of mindless entertainment or they make countless remakes of movies made when American cinema was good. I think the lower budget of British movies mean that they have to rely on writing and talent to sell a film, American films just need to show lots of pretty explosions and special effects with a trendy cast (regardless of acting ability).

Not that I dont think American cinema has been great, many of my favorite movies are 1970's US movies. But if I went to a cinema today and had a choice between a Brit film and an American film, I know what I'd choose.

Did you have a good world when you died? Good enough to base a movie on?

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For every British film there is an American film of equal quality. Yes, we do make a lot of popcorn films because we have a large ppopulation of people under the age of 24 that go to movies (the bread and butter of the industry) this group will see a movie 3-5 times. The American film industry makes films for a very diversified group of people. Film distributors from other counties prefer the big blockbusters with major stars because they want to make a profit.

Why try to sell "We Don't Live Here Anymore" when a movie like "The Day After Tomorrow" will benefit from the buzz of being a box office hit? Foreign markets get our worst sometimes because it's all they know about.

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HANG ON TIGHTLY ... LET GO LIGHTLY

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to the person above who wrote the names of all those directors...i find it interesting that you're so broad-minded, yet your fairly extensive list of american filmmakers does not include even one african american director. or doesn't spike lee, bill duke, forest whittaker count for anything?and where are your women directors, or don't they count for anything either? sheesh!!

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Puh-lease! I'm French so I guess I can talk without anybdy telling me i have sympathy for such and such. Although Coppola, Burton, Tarantino, Mann, Kubrick, Gilliam, etc (all except for Spielberg and Eastwood and some of them i don't know) are amongst my favorite directors, they could not make The Croupier. Not that they don' make films as good as that, they just could never make THIS film. It's not their style. It's exclusively English-European

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I agree with your thoughts on Croupier and Clive Owens' amazing performance.

Let's just get off on the chidish name-calling. And no, Americans CAN make this film, and have done so with many other imports. It's just that Foreign movies are independent, which means they bypass the meddling of the studio system, but this doesn't always result in a quality film. Croupier is that rare exception.

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I agree with you, American movies can be quality just as any other. But I disagree that foreign movies are independent. Every movie project depends on financial support, whether in the States, India, Hungary or wherever.

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Afaik, The Croupier was funded by several european TV stations like channel four, arte and Canal+. But that mustn't necessarily mean they had an influence on the movie.

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I agree. Clive is the coolest... Definitely a British film. Very dark and cool.

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Hey the british couldn't make caddyshack so I consider it an even trade.

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Ok, im a brit studying to become a film director - hopefully! - i dont believ that this makes me more right than anyone else, obviously I'm not as its a matter of opinion - but Cinema is great, whatever the nationality or genre. As someone said above - look at all the great American directors, each with their own talent - and I could show you an equally long list of great British directors - but it shouldnt be a case of national identity, as its a medium enjoyed worldwide.

And just look at Michael Mann - The last of the mohicans, heat, the insider, ali, collateral - an American, who completed his film education in England - I think the idea im trying to get at is that we're all inspired by the same films, whatever our nationality - in films, we're all on an equal basis - and the man is a legend.

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