QUESTIONS FOR EVERYONE:
1. How do you feel about the month of April possibly becoming "Confederate History Month" ?
2. If the Confederate Army defeated the Union Army and won the Civil War in 1865, How do you think the time line would be different today?
3. What are the major difference that you can think of if the Confederates won the Civil War ?
4. Should it be called Civil War History Month instead ?
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I think Civil War History month would be more appropriate.
If the Conferderates won, Blacks would still be slaves! The minority population would probably be very limited. Colored Only water fountains, restaurants etc.
Nah, blacks wouldn't still be slaves if the Confederacy had won, slavery would have dwindled out after a few decades max I'd say, especially with increasing pressure from the rest of the world. Slavery was backwards for agriculture, because landowners bought more slaves rather than using profit to progress farming techniques and technology.
If the Confederacy had won, the USA as we know it would exist as two nations. And really, from what I read about America, it seems that economically and politically the North and South are pretty differing anyway.
I do think that Civil War History month is a far more appropriate term though - naming it Confederate History Month is only dwelling on a romantic idea of the South that simply doesn't exist anymore. The benefits of thinking counterfactually about history are limited.
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1. How do you feel about the month of April possibly becoming "Confederate History Month" ?
I personally dont like the idea. Even though the Civil War was not entirely about slavery I dont think we need any more reminders of slavery. Time to put it behind us.
2. If the Confederate Army defeated the Union Army and won the Civil War in 1865, How do you think the time line would be different today?
I agree that slavery probably would have died out. I think that as society evolved the south would have freed the slaves.
3. What are the major difference that you can think of if the Confederates won the Civil War ?
Buying jeans in New York would cost a hell of a lot more. Also, Abraham Lincoln said in "The Gettysburg Address,"
"Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure."
The civilized world is comprised of democracies. If the north had lost the war then it might have exposed a fatal flaw in democracy and proved that when you empower the people the people will inevitably revolt. There might be a lot more dictatorships around the world.
4. Should it be called Civil War History Month instead ?
I think that we do plenty to remember the Civil War as it is. We should remember it but not dwell on it. I would propose that there should be no Civil War month at all.
Virginia does have a Confederate history month.
I think its important to remind us especially as again today we are living again a federal government that is abusing its power and not respecting states rights, for example forcing illegal immigration onto Arizona and Alabama and not allowing them to make their own laws to protect their own states, and forcing socialist medicine on all of America. If the liberals in New England and California and New Jersey like these things, if they like gay marriage and abortion do it there nobody cares but they are forcing it on the rest of America and we do not want it.
Totally agree, Trees.
shareIf the Conferderates won, Blacks would still be slaves!
Ha ha! That is one of the dumbest things I've read. Are you not aware of the effect the industrial revolution had on agriculture?
1. The war is over. It can be remembered with a special day but not a full month. Makes no sense and will be completely watered down if given a full month.
2. If the South had won we would be pretty much the same country and still pretty much unified under a slightly different flag. Jefferson Davis would have moved his presidency into the White House no doubt and eventually life would have ended up just as it is now in my opinion. Slavery would in time no doubt been abolish as has been in most developed countries on the planet but then, that too is just my opinion.
There would of course be some differences in the time line but 90% of the people born in either time line would have still been born to the majority of influnces in the country(at the time) and end up being and doing the same things.
American would still have been involved in WW1, WW2, Korea and Vietnam most likely. Politics as usual because the majority of the players would still be active a generation removed from 1864.
The biggest problem that might have occured had there been a detente reached, a cold war of sorts between the north and the south. Would have been the establishment of a demilitarized zone between the states. That would have been tragic and the world would have looked completely different with-out America's influences during the 20th century. Now THAT would a have changed much!
Plot of a neat book I would think...
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I think that eventually black people would have been released, however, probably US history would share incredible resemblances in the 20th century with South Africa when the Apartheid took place.
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shareThere would be two different countries. The South wouldn't have taken over the US because their whole reason for fighting was that they didn't want to be apart of the US and wanted to be left alone.
shareQUESTIONS FOR EVERYONE:
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1. How do you feel about the month of April possibly becoming "Confederate History Month" ?
Considering you're likely thinking that because that's the month major operations ended with the surrender of the Army of Northern Virginia, that's about as sensible as October being designated British History Month on account of Cornwallis' army losing at Yorktown in the Revolutionary War in October.
2. If the Confederate Army defeated the Union Army and won the Civil War in 1865, How do you think the time line would be different today?
That's difficult to say. Generally, its largely assumed that the Confederacy would last for long after the end of the fighting. More than likely it would't have lasted in the long run before the individual states either rejoined the Union, set out on their own, or been absorbed by a foreign power.
If that seems unlikely, consider that the reason the Continental Congress was convened in 1787 was because the 1st confederacy, which had been set up under the Articles of Confederation, was on the verge of falling apart due to the heavily pro-states rights confederation laws undermining any sense of national identity. For the sake of keeping things together, the congress was convened to revamp the confederation laws. And they, in turn, decided the best course was to scrap the Articles and start over, forming the US form of government as we know it.
Regardless, by 1865 the Army of Northern Virgina was trashed. The only way they could've won then was straight out of Harry Turtledove's sci-fi historical novel 'Guns of the South': people from the future go back to the Civil War & arm the Army of Northern Virginia with AK-47s. Even then, things don't work out for the time travelers as they would've liked.
3. What are the major difference that you can think of if the Confederates won the Civil War ?
You're simply restating question #2 in a different way.
4. Should it be called Civil War History Month instead ?
Should 'what' be called Civil War History Month?
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I think you're on the right track. The Confederacy simply could not ever have won, barring something like a meteor hitting New York. It's a nonsense exercise, a near contradiction in terms, to ask what would happen if an inferior military/society had lost to a vastly superior military/society.
As for what to call the month, that depends on what you want to do with it. If it's Civil War month, you talk about the Union, too. If it's Confederacy month, you just talk about the old Confederacy. So it depends on what you want to talk about.
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I don't think it's a nonsense exercise. The South was inferior in terms of industry and population, but not in terms of its military in and of itself. The South had advantages over the north. Brilliant officers and generals, highly skilled marksmen and horsemen, a deeply rooted tradition of soldiering. They also had the tremendous strategic advantage of fighting on their own turf. The war went very badly for the Union for two years before the tide decisively turned in their favor. While I think it is difficult to conceive of the South having one independently, is is very conceivable that the entry of the British Empire into the war could have weighed things in their favor. If diplomacy had taken a few slightly different turns, Britain may have entered the war on the Souths behalf...the most wealthy and powerful industrial/military nation of the time. The brilliance of the Emancipation Proclamation, which was a practically ineffective gesture until after the war ended, was a very symbolically effective one. He turned the war into a moral war, and Britain could not justify entering a war the had become about slavery on paper, while they might have considered entering a about economics.
I think the idea of a Confederate History month has value because Civil War history is already so heavily weighted in the Union's favor. Most Americans outside the South have no real understanding of what life was like from the Southern perspective then, or even really now. People still make cruel and ignorant assumptions about Southerners and have no realistic grasp of this fascinating unsung culture that is either romanticized, a la Gone With the Wind, or grotesquely villainized, a la The Wild, Wild West. A few films have managed a balanced portrayal...Cold Mountain, The Horse Soldiers, Friendly Persuasion, and Shenandoah come to mind. But I feel that most Americans still have a general sense that the the Civil War was a war of "good guys" and "bad guys."
As I wrote before though, I understand that a Confederate History month would be hurtful to many people, and have no desire to inflict more pain in our countries ever-bleeding racial saga.