Nearly unwatchable.

Someday magadan... someday.

Who dares wins:
Milo <><

Its good to know I'm not alone, the Dune remake totally sucked! I started thinking they made a spoof for us to laugh at.

The casting sucked, I hated all of the casting!
The costumes were too colorful and just stupid looking!
The scenery was a joke

I was plain disgusted with the remake.

<<<<Yes, William Hurt sucked, but that's unsurprising, considering it's William Hurt>>>>

He's one of the greatest actors that has ever lived. He basically owned the 80's. But he was wooden in this film. Atleast he was better than the last guy.

Last Films seen:
The Departed(again)- 10/10

The good stuff in the mini far outweighs the bad. The bad? Some of the costumes are silly (especially the hats) and I could have done without all the gunplay. The mini stuck much closer to the novel, which I loved, and I don't mind at all that Irulan was made a character, as it helps put the end in context. The Lynch film did better with the shields (they're memorable, if nothing else) and stilsuits. And many of the supporting characters gave more memorable performances.

But you raise an interesting point. Which is the better casting? Mini or Lynch?

Paul [Mini] Kyle MacLachlan never worked for me, never looking the right age, and stuck with 80s hair. I think Alec Newman did a great job covering the many eras of Paul, and was able to pull it off physically as well.

Duke Leto [Lynch] Jürgen Prochnow looks the part more than Hurt, though we don't quite see as much of him.

Lady Jessica [Mini] No contest. Saskia Reeves is just beautiful and has such grace that I was really disapointed to see Alice Krige take on the character in Children of Dune.

Baron Harkonnen [Mini] Lynch's sense of the grotesque is one of the things that makes the movie less palatable, and his Baron is just disgusting and one-dimensional. Ian McNeice makes him a better manipulator, wheels within wheels.

Feyd [Lynch] Sting rocks out, though I didn't think Matt Keeslar did too bad.

Rabban [Draw] Either way for me. Smith had more of a family resemblance, while Kish was more imposing. Advantage Lynch.

Chani [Mini] Sean Young has never been a good actress in my eyes, and Barbora Kodetová may still be a rookie, but her exotic looks and accent go a long way selling her as a Fremen. It works for me.

Stilgar [Mini] You might have a problem with a middle-aged, paunchy Fremen, but Uwe Ochsenknecht has more apparent wisdom and makes a more credible father/leader than Everett McGill "hero-type".

Shadout Mapes [Lynch] There's no beating Linda Hunt on this one. Vert memorable.

Gurney Halleck [Lynch] Patrick Stewart of course. Doesn't help that I thought Moriarty's acting showed he didn't understand the story.

Dr. Yueh [Lynch] Dean Stockwell immortalized the character. There is no other.

Piter Devries [Lynch] Again, can't beat Brad Dourif. And you know what? When it came to these memorable roles, I don't think they even tried beating them.

The Emperor [Mini] José Ferrer is ok and everything, but I liked Giannini better.

Irulan [Mini] It's not just that she gets an expanded role either, Julie Cox just has a better casting than Virginia Madsen on this one.

Dr. Kynes [Draw] You'd think it'd be hard to beat Max von Sydow, but I'm quite attached to Karle Dobry's Liet. Advantage Lynch.

Reverend Mother [Lynch] The mini's looks too young and very silly in that hat.

As for the rest, I have no preference. So it's a draw when it comes to Thufir, Duncan and the rest. Counting it up... it's a draw along the line. If I fit in the "advantages" and the better-looking Navigator on Lynch's side, well the film gets the better cast.

I agree with your casting points, but little can be said about 20 million 'not being enough to make a romantic comedy with a cast of unknowns', Season 1 of '24' the TV series cost 35 million. It was a 20 hour series that, in appearance, shared the production value of a 2 hour feature. Budget restraints are one thing, excuses and lack of creativity are another. (Blue screen with decent lighting effects, guerrilla filmmaking, not that expensive)

you mean of course Zensunni

20 Million will buy you decent sets (sets are the cheapest part, in the end), great actors who're just not popular (Malcolm McDowell, for instance). The miniseries could have been done insanely better.

On the other hand, without having read Dune, the Lynch film would most likely have been near incomprehensible since the majority of the book's plot and dialogue goes on inside people's heads and Lynch sort of kept it that way. And the...gun...things were a bit, um... But by far the Lynch film had the better casting and look, and in an adaptation of such a grand and complex novel, it's the best you can hope for.

The miniseries was like a highschool drama club play, only with worse costumes.

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What I never understood with their Bene Gesserits was why were the reverend mothers BALD!? It makes no sense!

"- The Fremen are way better than in Lynch's version; I acctually always hated Lynch's portrait of the Fremen. The Fremen in the Mini are more like I picture them, more islamic-beduine-like. This also goes for clothing. Who would wear black in the desert?"

first off a nitepick: There are beduine tribes who DO wear black in the desert... google away I'd say

Now, I recently saw Lynch's version on tv here and have also been watching the mini and "Children of Dune" this weekend.
Eitherway, I love the story. I've read Frank Herbert's book a long long time ago and I won't comment on accuracy coz I just don't remember (all I vividly remember it took me a long time to finish it, but then again, I was alot younger then ;)) but one way or the other they both have a good storyline imho. I still find it a fascinating story.

Both however suck when you look at visual effects etc. Ok, granted, Lynch's version is 21 yrs old so what do you expect nowadays when you're all used to the stuff they do now. In the mini's what bothered me the most is it's so obvious that they are on soundstages etc. Wide angle shots (like the city) are cool... obviously fake but still cool... I do believe I've seen better.
The Fremen are better done in the mini but I liked the stillsuits from the movie over the ones in the mini. They looked like they could really hold water like they say they do... you know, the blugy pockets in stead of the mini's overall with some flimsy tubing.

Casting: Lynch's Leeto is way cool, pochnow(sp?) I think is great, he looks like a duke (and perhaps also because I liked him as the captain in Das Boot).
Gurne(sp? I suck at names) I think was better in the mini. Everytime I see Steward I can't help expecting him to say "make it so" or "number 1?"... But he's a good actor nontheless (strangely enough I didn't have that when watching X-men and X-men2).

So in the end it's a draw and neither of them will ever be on my list of best movies/series ever... it's the story that's way cool. Hope they one day will make a remake with some descent visuals.