An utter travesty


I do not know where to begin with this debacle....I know the Lynch version has its drawbacks but this is an utter joke.

Why must they try and modernize everything with cliched characters-the angry, sullen Paul-who is this version magically becomes the kwisatz haderach-there is no back story. Nor to any other characters-they are dressed in high school drama clothes....Gurney is randomly introduced and leaves for most of the movie, and there is no motive behind Yueh....

Jessica, when it was Leto, says no more water selling but in the book and in real life that would cause issues...

the whole thing with Irulan....why do all new sci-fi shows have to do this with characters, try and make them hip and cool...maybe that is why I will not watch the new Battlestar Galactica-(though I hear it is good) but all the characters in these shows are exactly the same

I know books/movie are never the same, and I love the Lynch version, but this just plain awful...it jumps from scene to scene with no direction, everything is flat and lifeless....you just do not care about the characters and kept hoping Paul would die

This after only two discs, I do not think I can finish it; I could continue on how truly bad this is but I do need to sleep

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I think whichever adaptation you see first will end up being anyone's favorite most of the time. I saw this one first and prefer it. I liked the faithfulness, the art direction (most of it) and the cinematography, as well as many of the performances. It was altogether well put together, I thought. It ahd a bit of a tight budget and it was a bit slow at times and I didn't like Paul in the beginning very much. It gets better and better though.

To sum up my feelings on Lynch's: I thought it was more a David Lynch movie than a Dune adaptation. Weird for the sake of weird (which has its place… in a David Lynch movie), and the internal monologue, I thought, was totally stupid. Sorry I can't put it more eloquently… I also hated the way he presented the weirding way. “Who wants to see kung fu in a desert?” WE DO, LYNCH.



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Guys, I don't want to insult anyone's taste in the mini-series but I found it very boring. I liked the film version far better.









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I agree with the original poster. How anyone could ever like the mini series is beyond me. I think the flaws have been mentioned before....I watched two disks and then sold it on Ebay for a penny...Basically, if I want to read the book I'll read the book. The mini series plays out exactly like the book....when you consider that it's supposed to be a TV, VISUAL, movie it was minus any direction, acting, budget, special effects, casting....pretty much all the major aspects to a film...

Lynch's version seems rushed. Having said that, I just read the book for the first time and would have liked Lynch to include something slightly more relevant to the Harkonen - Atriedes fued and the fact Jessica was a Harkonen. Then you have the fact that Jessica was, at first, suspected of being the traitor. The help from the Fremen, the fact Stilgar met Paul much earlier in the book than the film. The pilght of Duncan Idaho, Gurney Halleck and Thufir Hawat in the book afte the Harkonens re-took control wasn't really carried across to the film. Also, the way Kynes died was a little strange....Lynch's film didn't really explain why they were killing him, and didn't mention anything about how he tried to assist in the escape of Paul and Jessica.

Other than that, the cast was tremendous, special effects were good for the time, acting was pretty spot on. A good film. If you could combine the mini series with the film, it would be epic. Lets pray for the 2010 movie.

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It's funny. I've seen both Lynch's version and this one, and it's like they both made the opposite mistakes. But this one weirds me out becuase it spent so much time on some relatively trivial issues, and not enough time on others.

For example:

Yueh's special training that made him such an impossible choice for the traitor was almost totally ignored.

The explanation for the poison tooth was missing; he just shows Leto the tooth and says "remember it". At least in Lynch's version, he explained what it was and you saw him put it in.

Paul spends two years raiding Harkonnen camps; it's barely touched on. In fact, had it not been for the mention of his baby and his sister, I'd have had no idea any time had passed at all.

Thufir seems to have totally dissapeared and was such a minor character as to be totally forgettable.


Now, things this film did well that Lynch's did not:

The Baron comes across as a much more refined, intelligent and capable man than the acne-covered monstrosity that was Lynch's.

The Fremen look and act more like you'd expect them to.

Ornithopters don't look like garbage cans.

There's no stupid sonic-weapon trained Atreides army sub-plot.

More of the scenes from the book are included (the dinner-party, the assassination attempt on the Baron by Feyd, etc.)


See what I mean? If they took aspects of both, they could do a great film, but on their own, both seem to really be lacking.

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Total agreement. Combine the sucsseses of both films and eliminate the misteps both had, you'd have a good film. Still don't think it would match up to the book, though; all the subleties of the book are lost in both films, for the most part.

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I tried to watch the mini-series. I expected to like it. I really wanted to like it.

I must have missed part one. I couldn't take 15 minutes of part two. The sets looked like drawings copied from a 1930's pulp sci-fi magazine. And then, when I saw so many characters dressed like animated chess pieces out of an "Alice in Wonderland" movie, I decided I'd had enough.



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you should die...quickly.

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Good...you don't like it? Go *beep* yourself.

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I watched each part as I read the book, and ultimately I believe the miniseries did a much better job than Lynch's version. of course things had to be cut out (as much as i liked Thufir Hawat I must agree that he isn't absolutely needed after the first part because for the rest of the book he plays a subtle background part mostly).

People talk about Spider-man 3 moving along at a fast pace, that's nothing compared to Lynch's version of Dune. even the 4 1/2 hour miniseries had to move pretty quick. the '84 version moves along at a breakneck speed and you barely know what just happened.

The acting in both versions are fairly decent actually (as far as the dialogue will allow). the only actor I didn't like was Alec Newman, he was just very uninteresting and a typical coming of age hero, which the book version of Paul Atreides isn't at all.

one bit of awkwardness i found in the miniseries (at least the Directors Cut) was when Paul looked over and saw Chani topless and his mother says "shes the one in your dreams, i can tell by the way you stare at her"... sure, thats why he was staring at her :) I realize that is the real reason but with a modern audience they shouldn't have arbitrarily shown Chani topless in that scene.

The only other real problem I had were some of the costumes. The final scene is the shining example, everyone's costumes are so ridiculous that you can't help but mutter "what the *beep*?" Feyd-Rautha has a triangle behind his head... whats up with that?

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My 2 cents:

It seems to me that the original movie put so much emphasis on the background story that character development is almost totally ignored, making it unbelievable. The series did the opposite, focusing on the characters to such an extent that the background story is all but nonexistant, making it incomprehensible. They each tried, but I guess you can't have both.

Also, am I the only person in the world who actually liked the costumes in the series? Granted, the whole "triangle behind Feyd's head" thing was a little stupid, but just because the costumes don't comply with modern fashions don't make them cheesy. There have been some bleeped up outfits throughout history, and those were considered the height of fashion at the time. Who's to say what disasters will emerge from the fashion industry in the future? And these really weren't that bad.

The book is by far the best, as it always is, and I don't think anyone should be allowed to criticize any book-to-film movie without first reading the book. But missing backstory aside, I much prefer the series over the movie. The acting might be a little lackluster in spots, but it's just so much cooler-looking. Plus that whole inner monologue thing from the movie bugs the hell out of me. The Baron in the movie is so disgusting I can't even look at him. Matt Keeslar and Alec Newman are infinately better looking than Sting and Kyle MacLachlan. Who cares if neither of them can act to save their lives; they're *gorgeous*!

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The original comment is ridiculous. SCI FI Version was great. Vastly superior in intrigue, storyline, acting and dialogue than Lynch's version (and I'm a Lynch fan).

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The Lynch movie was horrible. THis mini-series is just bad. While the mini-series does a better job at telling the story, it's too choppy. The music is terrible and the acting is subpar. The Lynch movie was so boring. The acting wasn't a whole lot better with McLaughlin and Sting. Sting was so miscast-he would have been better in something like Mad Max or Road Warrior.

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Why can't you like both of them? I did. They are fastly different films made from the book, but with different intentions. They both have drawbacks, but they both have some pretty ridiculously great stuff. To me it's like Batman Returns vs. The Dark Knight: very different but essentially both great.

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I own all of these movies and have read the books but what is with the wierding modules in the 1984 version? Can you say Smithee? I guess Lynch can.

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