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Re:how do u think the germans feel


How do u think the germans feel???

Not only did they lose ww2 they get humiliated afterwards by movies and video games.
Medal of honor,call of duty,many,many video games out their were u get to play as an allied solider and who do u get to kill over and over again. U guessed right germans.
Were the nazis bad yes,but not all germans who fought in ww2 were nazis,alot of the german navy were not nazis. How do u think these people feel who were just fighting for their homeland get defeated and then have to see things like this.

Don't ever try and learn history from hollywood.All movie makers are concerned about is making the almighty dollar the more money they can make off a movie by changing the characters or setting or whatever they need to do to make an extra dollar their gonna do it.
If u wanna learn how ww2 really went down go to the library and grab a history book,sit down and read I know its boring but u can learn something from it.

Or if u would have paid attention in high school during history class instead of flirting or sleeping u would already know what really happened.

Have a nice day!

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Not only did they lose ww2 they get humiliated afterwards by movies and video games


Is it really humiliating though?
I'm sure there are some Germans that play these "Medal of Honour" and "Call of Duty" games too.

And i'm sure there are some Germans who enjoy it and don't feel embarresed because they are playing as soldiers fighting nazi Germany, who in no way are similiar to the Germany we know today.

Anyway most of what you said afterwards I agree with, though no doubt it will fall on deaf ears.

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How do u think the germans feel???
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Can i just point out it was not the 'Germans' who thought us in 1940's, it was the Nazis. As far as im aware, the Nazi's dont exist anymore?

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But neo nazis do unfortunately andd in many places

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And Nazis were an evil alien race that came from space, invaded Germany and enslaved poor Germans.
I see that historical revisionism already brainwashed many into thinking that it weren't the Germans who started WWII and caused deaths of millions, it were THE NAZIS®!

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I guess they feel similar to the way Americans feel today with the rest of the world hating them. Does Iraq ring any bells? Their contributing allies, of which I am one, don't fare too much better either. While Germany has a dark history indeed, its citizens never had to carry the demoralizing burden of being internationally regarded as stupid, thanks in large part to one infamous 'world leader' with the vocabulary of a 5 year old. You never think of Germans as being stupid. In fact, it's the complete opposite. Whenever you see the words "Made in Germany", you automatically assume it works. This reputation has its very origins in the far superior German war machines of WW2.

*Next time you're at your local library, you might consider reading up about one German, Albert Einstein, and his relationship to the Atomic Bomb, which ultimately ended a war. Or, better yet, try the largest library in the world. You're looking at it.






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Wow, you're stupid. Not much more I can say but that.

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I actually had the pleasure to visit Germany in 1999 as a guest of the Luftwaffe (German Air Force). As I sat with my counterparts, a discussion of history came up, and I will admit at the time I was fairly ignorant of how Germans viewed history. We still had a good and rather lively discussion. One major thing that I learned, was that pretty much from the rise of the National Socialist German Workers Party to the death of Adolf Hitler is viewed as a space in time that no longer exists.

Many items associated with Nazism are banned from display within the borders of Germany. In my tour of the Deustches Museum and the Luftwaffe Museum, they have examples of WWII machinery on display, however any swastikas that would have been on the vehicles have been painted over to erase their past.

Movies such as U-571, Das Boot, Patton, and the like are almost impossible to view without heavy editing. All in all, I left Germany with the feeling that many Germans are aware of the past, however the history of Nazism is something that is only taught in private, or through open media such as the internet.

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Rubbish

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If Hollywood keeps portraying the Germans like in Raiders of the Lost Ark, Saving Private Ryan and Schindler's List then it's hopeless

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I must be the weird one then. I hardly find history boring. It is the only way to keep from making the same mistakes over and over like we are and have been every generation. There is an old expression that says the only things new are the things you don't know.

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Yes, i am a german, and whe i saw "U-571" i cant't stop laughting during the whole movie... or during almost the whole movie... i will not mention all the crap, inaccuracies, errors and ridiculous exaggerations in this movie again, then i would write the whole night and the next day until dawn... Even, for example, "Anaconda" (1997) looks like a true, realistic and well made documentation about a giant snake of the amazon compared with "U-571" ;-)


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"Man... was in the forest."

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Agree with you!

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who cares.... im so sick of bleeding hearts crying about "offending" somebody. Nobody likes nazi's, nobody wishes they were still around. the games and movies don't depict hero's going around killing german civilians, they kill nazi's.

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im lucky than i never born at this time


im from germany and im born in 1982,so sometimes its a little bit hard when somebody call you an nazi (for an example when i play call of duty 4 online, but i dont give a *beep* about it, and when things goes different and for an example i was born like 1920, then i had to try to kill the nazis in WWII. it makes no difference for me. when i had to save my and my familys ass.

so i dont have a problem with that, and when i play online and kill germans it makes no differents for me.

from history: it was terrible what was going on in germany ,with jewish people the whole world war II zenario.

i hope that we all live in peace harmony and freedom, and no holocaust like WWII happends again.



personal i was wondering:

when i travel with some of my buddys - from frankfurt germany to orlando florida for wrestlemania and monday night raw week.

all of your people were more than polite.

everything was great and anybody that ask us from witch state we came from and we reply - from Germany - they stare they were wondering that they dont hear any foreign accent.

and we had a feeling that we found a second home.

;)

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Tibby, after WWII when the Americans occupied parts of Germany the Germans and Americans that fraternised found we had a lot in common. In fact Germans are the largest ethnic group in the USA! During WWII many German POW's were shipped to the USA. They worked on farms and actually were able to go into the towns on leave! Many of the men stayed in the USA when the war ended. They had found a new home. Married American girl's and raised families etc... In fact, it is well documented that many American and British soldiers had a hard time building up a hatred for the Germans they were fighting. Our cultures were and still are so similar. Bloodthirsty NAZI's and SS men made up only a small percentage of the German military. Most were conscripted soldiers who didn't want to fight in a war.

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Indeed they are, in States from Washington to Pennsylvania (the Northwest, Midwest, as well as Florida, Nevada, Oklahoma, Ohio, Michigan most people are descendants of German immigrants

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who cares.... im so sick of bleeding hearts crying about "offending" somebody. Nobody likes nazi's, nobody wishes they were still around. the games and movies don't depict hero's going around killing german civilians, they kill nazi's.

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Winners always write history!

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Fact is, landing in Normndy for the 157th time became so boring, it's such a great change to play on the German side of video games. Talking about U-boat warfare, in the best game of the genre (Silent Hunter III) you play as Germans, and the majority of game enthusiasts come from the US.

And talking about PC and offending others, it's ridiculous that the US and the British still have their racist stereotypes about Germans 60 years after the war, it's PC to call them Krauts but they don't dare to call Arabs ragheads, that's definitely no-no. Ridiculous.

BTW, Band of Brothers did it very right when in the last part all the cheese about camaraderie etc was said by a German general to German troops. The whole series was balanced out by that short scene. The makers of that series really knew how to remove the poison of political correctness!

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It alarms me to think that people believe the Germans who were sinking allied ships and fighting on *French* soil were fighting "for their homeland."

Outside your borders, in territory you invaded and conquered, you are not fighting for what is yours.

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Anyway, when asking how Germans should feel about their soldiers being portrayed in video games as the enemy, and the losers of the war, it just helps to note that they nearly conquered the entire continent with no plans of stopping, and they did ultimately lose the war. The actions of two separate Presidential administrations in the U.S. in two entirely different wars which took place decades after the second world war (and with more public denouncement) are a different discussion.

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I understand your point mega, even though they're not "my" soldiers. I am just dealing with the video game question from earlier. Obviously not ALL German soldiers wanted to fight (I am sure the possibility exists that the war ruined many German soldiers and civilians plans to leave Germany for America or elsewhere), but when it comes to what you're fighting for, a German in France cannot say he is fighting for his homeland when his goal is to keep "Fortress Europe" out of allied hands.

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The Vietnam War and the Iraq War are much, much different than World War II. The amount of public and private denouncement of those two wars, both by the soldiers and the public, are well documented and very well known. The Second World War was the allied nations liberating Europe (and working their way towards Japan), with virtually 100% support by all who were fighting and working the production lines (some people who were declared 4F when they tried to enlist actually committed suicide.) Germany invaded and occupied most of Europe. So when it comes to the video games that depict the second world war, it's only natural that the programmers aren't going to want to put the shooter into the role of the German who was fighting to maintain control over what was never his in the first place.



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I am not dodging anything, if this were in person, I'd like to think of it as an intelligent conversation.

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I am not sure if that was sarcasm or not.

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not it is not sarcasm ...

he is REALLY that stupid *rofl*




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:-) you had megamongo with "intelligent conversation" :-)




"best/worst-movie-ever"-idiots don't deserve to watch movies at all ...

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Like you soldiers are thinking that they are defending the USA in the Iraq.


I'm a bit late to this one, but Mega you're obviously not familiar with the cynical mind of the average Soldier, I cant speak from an American Squaddy's point of view, but I dont imagine it's that far removed from a British Soldier's point of view on Iraq, and if you sat and questioned the average British Squaddy on why he's in Iraq the answers you'd recieve would mostly be "oil", "I dont care" and "because it buys my beer on a saturday night"... You'd hear very few (if any) cliched "freedom", "democracy" or "defending the West" type of comments, Soldiers aren't as blind to their Government's true agendas as you seem to think.

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....we would hear: Because we will coquer the world and kill all the subhumans....


And rape Goats and eat Babies!

But no, of course not, the full extent of what was going on behind the scenes might not have been known to the average Squaddy (Death Camps and such), but the point is Soldiers aren't stupid, they'd have been well aware they were fighting a war of aggression, but like most Soldiers they probably wouldn't have cared.




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Yes. You may be right in that case.


Aren't I always?

Cheers Mega



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WHO CENSORED MY FRIEND THUSNELDA !!!!!!!!!


So much about free speech!!

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I totally agree wuth you Ramyana

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I agree with you Ramayana

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I've played Call of Duty and always tought it would be interesting to play a world war 2 game from the german perspective. And more films should be released. However I think most hollywood films dont depict germans in a bad way, only Nazism.

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One thing is certain. If a country starts something *beep* then they should NOT complain about the result!

Im not saying the actual germans themselves waged or started the war, but the only way the nazi parti were able to be elected was because the germans voted for them. That makes them god damn accomplices, end of dicsussion.
Now i do know that it was a very difficult and troublesome time at the time. Their country was doing badly in economy and relationships with other countries due to WW1 AND they did not feel good about losing the previous war. Hitler's way surely must have looked easier and more tempting to follow, but that doesnt correct the fact that they still voted for him. And when he was elected them all did not stand up against him.
No matter how you twist and turn this both the nazi's and the regular germans are still guilty!
In a modern society where the people decide who will be elected or not, the voters are accomplices.
And for the poorly informed, this situation is not at all like the situation when Saddam hussein reigned. All would be killed who wouldnt vote for him. Hitler couldnt do that.

Some people still even think poorly about the french because of what Napoleon did. And some people think poorly about Russia because of what Stalin did.
It is going to take a long time before a matter like this is forgotten, and it will probably never be forgiven. A lot of people has lost their parents and grandparents in that war, and i dont think they are ready to forgive anything or anyone.

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Then inform me and correct me. I have not seen that documentation.
From my classes in school though, thats not what i've learned.

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How about telling me how the nazi's came to power then without being voted in?
I dont know where to look for that information otherwise..
though i'd say the books i've read looked pretty reliable. Tell me why im wrong, otherwise just wont belive in you.

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You misunderstand me, or just didnt listen(read more appropiately). The information i've got isnt from a teacher, but from Historybooks. aight? And not just from a single book. Seveal books, statistics etc.

Besides, i never saw you providing me a link.
I do know that theres a link at the bottom of your post, but it was mixed with other wierd stuff, so i generally thought it was some part of your signature. Some people really makes a big thing out of that.

In Denmark we have pretty good educational systems, im quite sure they wouldnt teach us something wrong just because the time is limited - if that was the case.
Besides, we take WW2 seriously here in Denmark, dont ask why.

But ill take a look at your video then, perhaps write an extra comment. Perhaps i could see for myself whether im wrong or you are.

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You state that the Nazis were never elected.
That depends upon the definition of the term 'elected'.

They came to power through a democratic system.

That system, the Weimar Republic, allowed for multiple parties and the seats in the Reichstag were allocated according to the votes of the various parties.

Hitler became Chancellor because of there being no party with a clear majority in the Reichstag, although he was leader of one with the most seats. The horse-trading and rivalries between the other contenders for Chancellor (von Papen and Schleicher) led to Hitler being (reluctantly) made Chancellor by Hindenburg.

Von Papen thought he could control and manipulate Hitler, who would simply be a figurehead.
The rest, as they say, is history...

However, it should not be forgotten that many democratic systems today operate on lines that are not dissimilar to the Weimar Republic.

It could happen again - even in a democracy.

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Back to the original question "How do u think the germans feel" - They are probably surprised! In this politically correct world there are very few 1st and 2nd world war films made!




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Wow this OP is the one that's stupid. Video games don't have you playing as the Nazi's and you're always American, British, or Russian for a simple reason: the Allies WON. If the game is about a war, they're not going to have the people that lost the war as the main characters because it would be boring knowing impending death would be coming. Are you honestly that stupid? I do agree with learning more about history but I am a 20 year old American male and I know a lot about history because I paid attention in school and have watched many documentaries. So anywho...

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