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This movie... This movie is...

posted 9 years ago by xynth90
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Plain awesome.

Some criticism:

- Jacking Roger. The shotgun was fired first, not the handgun. There's also a great delay between the two shots fired, which wouldn't match the story. Unless the apartment was sound proof, it's somewhat a plothole. Then again, anyone messing with corrupt cops get it bad.

- Not a flaw, but maybe just a little bit funny. Smiley asking Hoyt You know this *beep* was just business... right? Oh really? Business almost getting you killed automatically becomes personal for the victim.

Deserves a higher rating though. No movies like it.

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[–] super16g 9 years ago

I don't know of any forensics that can prove which gun was shot first. Especially not within the same hour like that. Roger's TOD would not be that exact.

Smiley is letting Hoyt know that they are even and that he better not come back and try to arrest them or get retribution.

[–] amd8404 9 years ago

I think maybe the original poster was assuming the investigation would include interviewing neighbors who would presumably have heard the shots. Two issues with that:

1. An "earwitness" account about which type of shot came first would be taken with a grain of salt by investigators. The ability to distinguish a handgun from a shotgun is not something we should assume from civilians. Personally I can't always tell the difference between gunfire and fireworks in my neighborhood. Also, a memory about the order in which someone heard the shots is not something I would rely on in an investigation, it's easy to get that confused.
2. He doesn't live in an apartment, he lives in a house, so it's not like this neighbors are right on top of him.

I was thinking that a forensic investigation would test if Jake had actually fired the shotgun (via residue on his hands) but it seems reasonable that they would just take the cops' word for it and not bother.

[–] herbsuperb 9 years ago

Biggest plot hole I recall from the film is the kitchen. They spent a long time, perhaps hours, in the kitchen tearing up the floor. Then, when they call in backup after shooting Roger and Jeff, that would have to be very shortly after they entered the house on the raid. How do they explain the massive hole in the kitchen floor? It would be clear to any investigator that they'd been there for a long time, and didn't simply raid the house, take fire, and call in backup. Especially since the plan was to turn in $3M of Roger's money. Were they to simply say 'Well, somebody else dug the hole, it was that way when we got here, but here's the $3M we found'.

I digress though. 'Training Day' is not solely about plot or story. It has a lot of other things to offer. Even when they don't exactly make sense, it's one fantastically put together scene after another.

[–] amd8404 9 years ago

Definitely a plot hole. And while I agree it doesn't ruin the movie, this scene sort of kicks off the third act, which I think is the weakest.

[–] redban (6164) 6 months ago

There’s a scene where Alonzo tells his boys to sign off the digging equipment “for maintenance.” My guess is that signing it off for maintenance leaves no trail

Their plan is to say they came in, shot Roger, and then found a big hole in the kitchen floor (with a trunk of money inside). The idea is that Roger dug the hole and was likely thinking of leaving soon