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They made a big deal about a crocodile being in Maine...


... but they didn't say a word about a brown bear being in Maine. Where was that bear supposed to have come from? The Anah Temple Shrine Circus at the Bangor Auditorium?

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First, it wasn't a grizzly, and second, even if it was a grizzly (it wasn't), a grizzly is a brown bear:

"The grizzly bear (Ursus arctos ssp.), also known as the North American brown bear, is a large population of the brown bear inhabiting North America."

And:

"2. What is the difference between brown bears and grizzly bears?
All grizzly bears are brown bears, but not all brown bears are grizzly bears."

https://www.nps.gov/katm/learn/photosmultimedia/brown-bear-frequently-asked-questions.htm#2

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and second, even if it was a grizzly (it wasn't), a grizzly is a brown bear


Touché!

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"The Grizzly is the most famous bear of the US. Therefore a Grizzly was depicted."

No, that's not how it works. There is no rule or law which mandates that when depicting a bear in a movie that it has to be the most famous one. Grizzlies have brown fur that is lighter colored at the tips (blonde or white). The bear in this movie simply had brown fur. Also, why are you even trying to argue this point? Even if you're right (you're not), you're still wrong, because grizzly bears are brown bears, which 100% negates your original post.

"In the movie version of Maine it must still be common enough not to have it's appearance questioned."

That's absurd. If that line of reasoning were valid, there would be no such thing as an error in a movie, because no matter what error is pointed out, you could say, "In the movie version of such and such, it must be okay because no one in the movie questioned it." Works of fiction are "like reality unless noted". For example, the main departure from reality in this movie, i.e., a wild Asian crocodile living in Maine for years, was noted. The departure from reality in the form of a wild brown bear living in Maine wasn't noted however, and is therefore an error.

"If you question the imagery used to depict the specific species of bear then you must be new to movie magic. Watch deep blue sea for their take on tiger sharks."

Your non sequitur is dismissed.

"Does that answer your question?"

The only questions I asked were:

"Where was that bear supposed to have come from? The Anah Temple Shrine Circus at the Bangor Auditorium?"

... and those questions were rhetorical, and had they been serious questions, your non sequitur, invalid argument, and false assertion wouldn't have answered them. I don't have any actual questions; the wild brown bear in Maine was an error, and the error is exacerbated by the fact that brown bears and the black bears that we have in Maine are far from interchangeable, i.e., it's not just a fur color difference. The brown bear in this movie was about twice the size of even a large Maine black bear, and about three times the size of a typical one. Also, the idea of a Maine black bear launching an unprovoked attack on a human is laughable, to say nothing about a GROUP of humans. Maine black bears are timid; there's not a single recorded case of a fatal bear attack in Maine's entire history, and I'd be surprised if you could even find a recorded case of a bear in Maine attacking a human at all. If you did, it would almost certainly be for obvious reasons, such as the bear being cornered, injured, or protecting its young (most any animal will attack under those circumstances).

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The bear was likely the wrong species, but black bears are found in Maine.

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"The bear was likely the wrong species"

It was definitely the wrong species, as well as being about two to three times bigger than wild bears in Maine, and far more aggressive.

"but black bears are found in Maine."

I already said that. Here's a quote from my post that you replied to:

I don't have any actual questions; the wild brown bear in Maine was an error, and the error is exacerbated by the fact that brown bears and the black bears that we have in Maine are far from interchangeable, i.e., it's not just a fur color difference. The brown bear in this movie was about twice the size of even a large Maine black bear, and about three times the size of a typical one.

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I just saw the movie last night and, the way the filmmakers shot the scene, they made the brown bear that they used for the shoot look like a colossal black bear. So I just took it as a huge black bear.

Of course the argument still stands that it's about twice the size of a large Maine black bear, but movies always exaggerate things. Take the depiction of The Doors in Oliver Stone's 1991 movie -- totally exaggerated. William Wallace in "Braveheart" is another example. It's just the way it is -- filmmakers almost always exaggerate things for purposes of entertainment.

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I live in Maine and see brown bears all the time, they are a damned invasive species.

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Bigfoot too.

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I think Bigfoot sightings are actually just bears standing on two feet.

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Yeah, polar bears too, not to mention the damnable tigers and hyenas.

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It was a CGI bear and a CGI crocodile so technically nothing matters.

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